Punk rockers/anarchists and Libertarians, what is the difference?

[Ivanstone]

So, you have no evidence for your claims, and you simply want to ignore the timeline...

The timeline clearly shows the appointment of Snyder’s Emergency Managers.

If I wanted to make a baseless claim it would be something like:
Snyder and the Michigan Legislature would’ve just past legislation to override any of Flint’s actions. Like any GOP controlled state does to any municipality that passes a law they don’t like. I don’t have any proof that they had this planned but in my opinion it’s a much more reasonable assumption than anything you’ve said in the past 120 pages.

[Endus]

Yeah, but government would be voluntary. Wtf the means.

I mean, I just ignore that. It's a direct hypocrisy. There cannot be such a thing as a "voluntary government", because "government" necessitates a system of laws, and laws cannot exist if you can just opt out of them.

[Endus]

Nope, he said it’d be voluntary even though they can just come kill me if I don’t comply. Yes, he literally brought up war if I don’t “voluntarily” submit to his “voluntary government’s” authority.

So, not "voluntary" at all, just regular government just like any other.

[Mayhem]

No, he said all...

Cool.

Giving people government jobs just for the sake of having government jobs... is pointless welfare. This is especially the case of productivity doesn't increase.

I was not talking about government jobs. It's as if absolutely everything you're talking about is its very own bubble that has no influence on other things.

As for regulation, you mean regulation like abortion restrictions?

Are you saying regulation on abortion restrictions makes the government more efficient?

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You asked.

And no, those governments would have means in which to deal with those who harmed their citizens.

They'd have jurisdiction over citizens from other governments?

[Floofi]

Oh, right. The privatization angle. I actually managed to totally forget that. Silly me. And if memory serves, cops would also be privatized. Because... consistency? Fuck it, if it even works. Crowbar an ideology in, regardless.

Man, think of all the freedom and liberty we can have with a completely deregulated and privatized DMV! Companies could sell licenses for like $20, so if little 8 year old Timmy wants to go the store and buy some Pokemon cards, he could take his dad's lifted Ford F-150 Super-duty out for a spin, perfectly legal. Who cares if he can't reach the pedals or barely see over the steering wheel, think of all the freedom he has!

/s

[Felya]

Man, think of all the freedom and liberty we can have with a completely deregulated and privatized DMV! Companies could sell licenses for like $20, so if little 8 year old Timmy wants to go the store and buy some Pokemon cards, he could take his dad's lifted Ford F-150 Super-duty out for a spin, perfectly legal. Who cares if he can't reach the pedals or barely see over the steering wheel, think of all the freedom he has!

Here is a song about it:

[bladeXcrasher]

Yeah, but government would be voluntary. Wtf the means.

Wait, so he is an anarchist?

[Machismo]

They’d have to be with all the tolls to get to your call.

@Machismo I didn’t read it, but I assume it’s more lies. You want to expand corporatist influence while I want to remove it. You openly admit as much. You’d “oppose” them getting their way, but you’d support them having the ability to do so in the face of your opposition. You’ve gotten numerous chances to refute the claim and just keep trying to claim I’m a corporatist because I oppose restricting access to healthcare and believe our policing is systemically racist. At least one of which you support openly.

You want to take away BLM and Planned parenthood's freedom to lobby, I do not.

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Which ignores inflation and population growth.

Meaning your proposal directly leads to those struggling in poverty facing increased hardship and suffering as the programs that they rely on get choked with effectively reduced funding, year after year.

Which is why your proposal gets rejected. It is empty and willfully ignorant, relying on simplicity in place of actual understanding. It's not really any different than the nuts who propose a flat tax; same net result, same reliance on an overly-simplistic bit of rhetoric that simply does not produce the outcomes they suggest.

It's not ignoring that at all, it's literally counting on it.

Instead, people will just continue spending the money of people who aren't even alive to stop it.

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The timeline clearly shows the appointment of Snyder’s Emergency Managers.

If I wanted to make a baseless claim it would be something like:
Snyder and the Michigan Legislature would’ve just past legislation to override any of Flint’s actions. Like any GOP controlled state does to any municipality that passes a law they don’t like. I don’t have any proof that they had this planned but in my opinion it’s a much more reasonable assumption than anything you’ve said in the past 120 pages.

Yep, but you made specific claims, and I have yet to see any evidence for your claims.

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Cool.



I was not talking about government jobs. It's as if absolutely everything you're talking about is its very own bubble that has no influence on other things.



Are you saying regulation on abortion restrictions makes the government more efficient?

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They'd have jurisdiction over citizens from other governments?

Nope, I'm not saying that.

Welcome.

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Wait, so he is an anarchist?

Nope, try again.

[Endus]

It's not ignoring that at all, it's literally counting on it.

Instead, people will just continue spending the money of people who aren't even alive to stop it.

Counting on the reduction of support levels for those already struggling.

Yes, I know you're counting on that. I'm rejecting it because it's inhumanely misanthropic for the sake of you personally saving a bit of money.

[Machismo]

Counting on the reduction of support levels for those already struggling.

Yes, I know you're counting on that. I'm rejecting it because it's inhumanely misanthropic for the sake of you personally saving a bit of money.

Well, since the stated goal is to balance a budget, that's simply my solution.

I have no doubt that you don't support it, because you don't give a shit about spending other people's money to pay for everything you want.

[Felya]

You want to take away BLM and Planned parenthood's freedom to lobby, I do not.

Yes, you do... You full well know that neither Planned Parenthood nor BLM can compete with corporate lobbying. The reason lobbying exists, is because a lot of people will vote in support of BLM and Planned Parenthood, than corporate interest. You are supporting the fact that instead of a vote, planned parenthood and BLM are forced to compete via lobbying.

I note your virtue signaling... though... I support BLM and planned parenthood not needing to waste their money on lobbying, to fight corporate interest.

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I have no doubt that you don't support it, because you don't give a shit about spending other people's money to pay for everything you want.

You only care about other people’s money, as a virtue signal. You don’t give a shit that an individual cannot compete with lobbying...

[Machismo]

Yes, you do... You full well know that neither Planned Parenthood nor BLM can compete with corporate lobbying. The reason lobbying exists, is because a lot of people will vote in support of BLM and Planned Parenthood, than corporate interest. You are supporting the fact that instead of a vote, planned parenthood and BLM are forced to compete via lobbying.

I note your virtue signaling... though... I support BLM and planned parenthood not needing to waste their money on lobbying, to fight corporate interest.

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You only care about other people’s money, as a virtue signal. You don’t give a shit that an individual cannot compete with lobbying...

Nope, I'm the one supporting their freedom to lobby, and I've made that very clear.

They are not forced to do anything, they want a political agenda, and I support their First Amendment rights.

Plenty of individuals compete with lobbyists... but I guess that doesn't really fit your narrative. Are you saying nobody can compete with BLM and their lobbying?

[Endus]

Well, since the stated goal is to balance a budget, that's simply my solution.

Putting "balancing the budget" ahead of people's suffering is entirely the point I was making.

I have no doubt that you don't support it, because you don't give a shit about spending other people's money to pay for everything you want.

This is an empty falsehood.

It isn't "other people's money". It's the government's money. I know it's convenient to try and rewrite simple facts when they don't fit your rhetoric, but that's not an honest argument.

It flatly, objectively, is not "other people's money". That's just wrong on its face.

[Machismo]

Putting "balancing the budget" ahead of people's suffering is entirely the point I was making.



This is an empty falsehood.

It isn't "other people's money". It's the government's money. I know it's convenient to try and rewrite simple facts when they don't fit your rhetoric, but that's not an honest argument.

It flatly, objectively, is not "other people's money". That's just wrong on its face.

You have no problem if people suffer, so long as it's the wealthy.

"Your paycheck doesn't belong to you, it belongs to me!!!"

[Felya]

Plenty of individuals compete with lobbyists... but I guess that doesn't really fit your narrative. Are you saying nobody can compete with BLM and their lobbying?

Name them... name the individuals lobbying...

Yes, I am saying that vast majority of people cannot compete with organizations.

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You have no problem if people suffer, so long as it's the wealthy.

"Your paycheck doesn't belong to you, it belongs to me!!!"

I am sorry, that is exactly what you are doing. I am fine where my money is going, you have a problem with it.

Keep virtue signaling... keep digging that empty hole...

[Machismo]

Name them... name the individuals lobbying...

Yes, I am saying that vast majority of people cannot compete with organizations.

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I am sorry, that is exactly what you are doing. I am fine where my money is going, you have a problem with it.

Keep virtue signaling... keep digging that empty hole...

Plenty of individuals spend millions, like Sheldon Adelson.

Dos this mean we should stop organizations like BLM and Planned parenthood from trying to push their political agendas?

[Felya]

This is an empty falsehood.

What has he said that isn’t? This is all it is...

I support liberty, you don’t...
I don’t want to harm others, you do...

The fact that none of it make sense in context is irrelevant... just repeat those virtue signals over and over and over again... What else do you need?

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Plenty of individuals spend millions, like Sheldon Adelson.

How did he do it as an individual? As far as I can tell, none of the lobbying he did has him liable as an individual. Want to try again?

Dos this mean we should stop organizations like BLM and Planned parenthood from trying to push their political agendas?

Yes, I do... now what? What do you have if I just concede to your virtue signaling? I still don’t support corporations lobbying... I don’t give a fuck about BLM or Planned Parenthood... your virtue signaling means nothing... try something new...

[Machismo]

What has he said that isn’t? This is all it is...

I support liberty, you don’t...
I don’t want to harm others, you do...

The fact that none of it make sense in context is irrelevant... just repeat those virtue signals over and over and over again... What else do you need?

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How did he do it as an individual? As far as I can tell, none of the lobbying he did has him liable as an individual. Want to try again?



Yes, I do... now what? What do you have if I just concede to your virtue signaling? I still don’t support corporations lobbying... I don’t give a fuck about BLM or Planned Parenthood... your virtue signaling means nothing... try something new...

He gave it to a PAC, just like BLM did.

Just like Planned Parenthood does...

I support Planned Parenthood's and BLM's freedom of speech. It's a shame you cannot say the same.

[Felya]

He gave it to a PAC, just like BLM did.

Oh... a PAC is now an individual... that’s fucking awesome...

Just like Planned Parenthood does...

Shut that shit down...

I support Planned Parenthood's and BLM's freedom of speech. It's a shame you cannot say the same.

Yes, shame on me, oh virtuous one... this is the entirety of your argument... SHAME... not substance, not logic... just SHAME...

Here is a punk thing... fuck BLM... fuck planned parenthood... fuck corporations... illogical bullshit...

[Machismo]

Oh... a PAC is now an individual... that’s fucking awesome...



Shut that shit down...



Yes, shame on me, oh virtuous one... this is the entirety of your argument... SHAME... not substance, not logic... just SHAME...

Here is a punk thing... fuck BLM... fuck planned parenthood... fuck corporations... illogical bullshit...

You may not think Planned Parenthood and BLM deserve freedom of speech, but I do.