Punk rockers/anarchists and Libertarians, what is the difference?

[Machismo]

lol WTF, do you want me to send you pics of me sending money to the government? Jesus H CHRIST get over yourself dude.

Nah, you want other people to pay for it. You want to triple their tax burden, while not offering anything else.

[uuuhname]

Nah, you want other people to pay for it. You want to triple their tax burden, while not offering anything else.

yeah I do, when they have more money than they will ever see, what do you care? you said you're not one of those absurdly rich people, so seriously why do you care if they pay more and you don't? are you hoping Jeff Bezos see's your posts and sends YOU money in the mail? like what the fuck kind of subservient mind set is this?

[Theodarzna]

You haven't shown that the economy is exploitative though. You have some vague notion that creating a surplus for other people is "exploitation" but you haven't done anything to prove the claim.

I'll let Richard Wolff explain the basics of Labor Theory;

[Machismo]

yeah I do, when they have more money than they will ever see, what do you care? you said you're not one of those absurdly rich people, so seriously why do you care if they pay more and you don't? are you hoping Jeff Bezos see's your posts and sends YOU money in the mail? like what the fuck kind of subservient mind set is this?

I care, because I oppose direct attacks on liberty like that. It's that simple.

"Why do you care if I rape that chick, it's not you."

Umm, because I'm not a terrible human being.

[Edge-]

I care, because I oppose direct attacks on liberty like that. It's that simple.

"Why do you care if I rape that chick, it's not you."

Umm, because I'm not a terrible human being.

Jesus dude, you make the fucking grossest comparisons. Rape and slavery? Fuckin really?

[Machismo]

Jesus dude, you make the fucking grossest comparisons. Rape and slavery? Fuckin really?

Once again, the only difference is the types of liberty people want to take away. I don't really give a shit if you clutch at pearls, but that's the shit that happens when you go out of your way to dehumanize those whom you seek to oppress.

Shall we go through history and look at all the times people felt justified in doing exactly those things?

[Edge-]

Once again, the only difference is the types of liberty people want to take away. I don't really give a shit if you clutch at pearls, but that's the shit that happens when you go out of your way to dehumanize those whom you seek to oppress.

I ain't clutchin at pearls, just gobsmacked at your reliance on emotional appeals by using heinous behavior like slavery or rape to compare to the fairly standard practice of taxation, and the fairly normal discussion in any society about what level of taxation should be pursued and what is viewed as "fair" or "equitable".

[downnola]

I'll let Richard Wolff explain the basics of Labor Theory

No, no, no! You're selling your labor at the rate your boss pays you. It's perfectly fair.

[Ivanstone]

Jesus dude, you make the fucking grossest comparisons. Rape and slavery? Fuckin really?

These things happen when society protects you from the pain that would be caused your beliefs.

Seriously you wouldn't have to look hard to find government regulatory over-reach. Yet when it was pointed out his analogy was kind of dumb he went with the shittiest thing possible instead of just finding something else.

[uuuhname]

I care, because I oppose direct attacks on liberty like that. It's that simple.

"Why do you care if I rape that chick, it's not you."

Umm, because I'm not a terrible human being.

omg lol.

so let me get this straight; you measure "Freedom and liberty" with $$$ a person has. okay, following that logic, you are easily the most authoritarian person I've ever met, you want to keep all the "liberty and freedom" in the hands on the few and elite and deny "liberty and freedom" to everyone else, yourself included. all while calling the people who want to give "liberty and freedom" to the worst off in our society as being selfish.

also really shows the moral bankruptcy at the heart of your ideology where you really think it's appropriate to compare taxes to rape. gross.

[Machismo]

I ain't clutchin at pearls, just gobsmacked at your reliance on emotional appeals by using heinous behavior like slavery or rape to compare to the fairly standard practice of taxation, and the fairly normal discussion in any society about what level of taxation should be pursued and what is viewed as "fair" or "equitable".

People will justify all sorts of oppression when they seek to dehumanize their enemies. We already have one guy in this thread calling for them to be forced out of the country.

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omg lol.

so let me get this straight; you measure "Freedom and liberty" with $$$ a person has. okay, following that logic, you are easily the most authoritarian person I've ever met, you want to keep all the "liberty and freedom" in the hands on the few and elite and deny "liberty and freedom" to everyone else, yourself included. all while calling the people who want to give "liberty and freedom" to the worst off in our society as being selfish.

also really shows the moral bankruptcy at the heart of your ideology where you really think it's appropriate to compare taxes to rape. gross.

No, I base liberty on people being free to do what they want, so long as they are not harming others. You seek to do a great deal of harm to others.

I'm wondering how far you are willing to go to get their money.

[uuuhname]

No, I base liberty on people being free to do what they want,

like dying poor, in a ditch, from preventable diseases. your idea of liberty is objectively terrible.

You seek to do a great deal of harm to others.

you have absolutely no idea what counts as harm, you've given that away with this talk about how taxes are slavery and rape. shut up.

I'm wondering how far you are willing to go to get their money.

I'm willing to vote for politicians that will tax them... what the hell are you expecting me to say?

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hell, I bet you don't even know where most tax dollars go anyway. or else you'd be all over knee capping the military's budget.

[Theodarzna]

like dying poor, in a ditch, from preventable diseases. your idea of liberty is objectively terrible.

Not to get to into the weeds, but freedom? Freedom for whom and to do what?"

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No, no, no! You're selling your labor at the rate your boss pays you. It's perfectly fair.

I actually in real life laughed out loud, that screen grab gets me every time.

[uuuhname]

Not to get to into the weeds, but freedom? Freedom for whom and to do what?"

exactly, it's all so purposefully vague to where it can mean everything and nothing.

[Edge-]

People will justify all sorts of oppression when they seek to dehumanize their enemies.

Yeah man, we're totally gathering in front of Bezo's mansion to get ready to rape and enslave him dude. Totes.

[downnola]

No, I base liberty on people being free to do what they want, so long as they are not harming others. You seek to do a great deal of harm to others.

The thing that Libertarians don't get about "liberty" is that it comes with responsibility. You don't get to the point where you're raking in seven figures a year without taking advantage of the society that was built around you. The idea that "liberty" is just complete and total freedom to do whatever you want without evaluating what enables that freedom, or dealing with the consequences of that freedom, is the way an adolescent views liberty. I'm not saying that as an insult either, it's literally how teenagers view liberty.

[Machismo]

like dying poor, in a ditch, from preventable diseases. your idea of liberty is objectively terrible.



you have absolutely no idea what counts as harm, you've given that away with this talk about how taxes are slavery and rape. shut up.



I'm willing to vote for politicians that will tax them... what the hell are you expecting me to say?

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hell, I bet you don't even know where most tax dollars go anyway. or else you'd be all over knee capping the military's budget.

Oh, I have no doubt you will vote for politicians to take away their liberties, I never expected otherwise. If you had been anything other than a burner account, you'd know we already discussed things like the military budget. That was covered over a hundred pages ago, and even if we entirely eliminated the defense budget, we'd still have a huge deficit.

Good luck on your crusade to eat the rich!!!

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Yeah man, we're totally gathering in front of Bezo's mansion to get ready to rape and enslave him dude. Totes.

People have called for them to be forcefully kicked out of the country.

What if they resist?

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The thing that Libertarians don't get about "liberty" is that it comes with responsibility. You don't get to the point where you're raking in seven figures a year without taking advantage of the society that was built around you. The idea that "liberty" is just complete and total freedom to do whatever you want without evaluating what enables that freedom, or dealing with the consequences of that freedom, is the way an adolescent views liberty. I'm not saying that as an insult either, it's literally how teenagers view liberty.

The thing that progressives don't get, is that they also bear that responsibility. Wanting to continually take more and more from the wealthy, while not even considering the idea of actually spending less, is simply an act of pure selfishness. This is the part that progressives will never come to realize, just how terribly selfish you truly are.

[Edge-]

What if they resist?

I dunno, what if anyone resists anything. Usually there are solutions that don't involve rape or slavery in my experience.

[Machismo]

I dunno, what if anyone resists anything. Usually there are solutions that don't involve rape or slavery in my experience.

Not really, not when people want to take things that badly.

Think about it this way, how much bullshit from the government and people would you put up with, before you stopped putting up with it? How much money would they have to take from you, before you got pissed off enough to act?

[Edge-]

Not really, not when people want to take things that badly.

It's impossible to read this sentence without reading this as pure projection.

How much money would they have to take from you, before you got pissed off enough to act?

Hey, if it came down to it I'd just like, you know, use my wealth and leave the country. But hey, I guess that's not an option so rape and slavery it is, apparently.