Are there a few specs that can make good use of some of the pvp trinkets? Yep. But there's also a few specs whos BiS are trinkets from world quests which max out at 194 ilvl. Both of these examples are outliers. The main point of the change is was so that progression guilds didn't feel compelled to run rated pvp in order to get mythic ilvl gear for mythic raiding.
this is sadly reality of arena
add to it the fotm usual, for example right now priests are generally sh8t and pally dominates healing, if u are a priest healer or druid go f8ck urself better and forget about gladiator
so u need both start from day 1, and also be lucky that ur class/spec is one of fotm performers
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http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
I'd hardly call a class that has the top 2v2 healing spec, as well as as the second best 3v3 healing spec, shit. (source: https://luduslabs.org/sotl) As far as healers go, you shouldn't be having issues unless you play mistweaver.
Regardless, if you play at 2400 level, you should be able able to get 2400 rating - let's go through the steps!
1. Get 197 ilvl gear. Right now I'm convinced that the fastest way is to go necrolord and get the full set (all their items have versatility), then reroll to whatever covenant you want if you don't like necrolords. If you really don't want to touch any PvE content, then farm away, but that's just a waste of time and honor that you'll need later on anyway. Get PvP trinkets, though. Also, get your legendary, obviously.
2. Get 1600 rating. You should be able to get to 1600 rating with those items easily if you play at 2400 level. On the way to 1600 you'll probably buy an item or two, too. If somehow you're stuck at this step, you'll get 207 item level (plus 235 legendary) over time, but I really don't believe you can't breach this one.
3. Get 1800 rating. You'll get there by just spamming games, since your gear will go over time to 213 ilvl, and then you'll just have to beat 7-13 item level disadvantage by 600+ rating advantage. You probably should be able to get there before you even hit full 213 gear, though.
4. Get 2100 rating. If you're not able to hit it, just wait until you upgrade your items. Eventually, you'll have 220 gear. With 220 gear you should be able to make up 6 item level disadvantage with your 300+ rating advantage. Plus, despite what you might think, not literally everybody on 2100 rating has full 226+ gear.
5. Get 2400 rating. At 2100, you can get the best gear besides weapons. There's no excuse if you can't hit 2400 now.
Alternatively, just get rating on RBGs first, like most of the people that have higher ilvl that their rating in your bracket indicates. Contrary to some people's perception, this is the primary way people are getting gear that seems too high for their rating. RBG rating is inflated, at least compared to 2v2.
From my experience, less than a tenth (warning: pulling the number out of my ass, that's my perception) of the games below 2100 are actually boosts, defined by meeting the following criteria:
- players from different servers (players from the same server are much more likely to be playing with a friend who is worse/playing an alt/rerolling, which I don't count as boosts)
AND any of the following:
- one player plays obviously better than the other
- significant rating difference between players
You could consider significant item level difference too, but if the lower geared player plays at similar level, is that really boosting?
The item level disparity is actually a problem for everyone who is NOT playing at 2400 level. Then, you don't have that skill difference I mentioned below, so if you're a 1800 player, you're likely going to have problems hitting 1800 if you don't want to do RBGs.
You should have a endless supply of warriors. Even at 1700xp. You could find a ton of 2200 people to play with. They will prolly blame you for everything but if you find a nice one you could push 2k easy. Specially in 2s. The difference from your skill level and 2k is just cool down management and prolly some positioning.
If you play a 1000 games and are still at 1700 rating than I don't know what else to tell you than that you deserve to be there. Blaming boosters and smurfs ain't gonna change that.
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There's a lot of information missing here and drawing a conclusion, especially a negative one, on limited information is just plain irresponsible and dumb. What class/spec do you play? Do you play with the same players or pug? What comp do you play? Are you relatively new at Pvp or Arena? What's your gear i-level? How often do you see Glad's geared to the teeth playing with 200 i-lvl players? A little bit here and there shouldn't be much of a problem, 50 % of the time or more is a huge problem that is simply beyond your control. And the most important question of all - are you playing with players at or around the same CR? Because if you are playing with people who aren't within 100 pts of your CR or even worse 200pts or lower that would explain a hell of a lot.
Regardless of how you answer the questions above there is always room for improvement. The best way to improve is to record yourself and watch. Most of the time you'll see yourself making mistakes you weren't even aware of at the time. Occasionally, you'll see frustrating bugs that work both in your favor as well as against you. As you learn what to do and more importantly what not to do, the game will slow down for you because you will no longer take 1-2 seconds to think you'll just do and do with confidence. If you are really up against a lot of Glad/ Noob teams that is unfortunately and most definitely out of your control. In Shadowlands, especially the 1st season, having a 10 i-lvl advantage is pretty huge, anything more is bigger than huge especially if you add skill, team coordination and XP to the equation.
Yeah there's the thing, I really don't like playing with strangers, so I am stuck playing with my rogue buddy.
I believe you can become 2.4k rating with any comp really, as long as it's played properly, so we'll keep focusing on that.
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I've completed some of your steps, I am necrolord and I started pvp when I was roughly 213 ilvl but with mostly pve gear. I am now at 215 ilvl and experiencing the block i mention above.
A typical situation in my games with my friend is that we are struggling to get proper setups, so I think we'll work on that.
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I did, thanks! It's a mix of what I felt, a lot of people are right though and I should just focus on improving.
I think the major factor here is 90% of the "gladiators" you're facing are playing on alts and half the skill level of their actual gladiator mains. I'm gladiator on all my druids but i play my "gladiator" rogue and cant get higher than 2k in 2s because im average on rogue... account wide gladiator is the confusion here.
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?? Show me these r1 players farming 1600 people and consistently playing at that rating. Like.. If you've played shadowlands arena for a while, there's no excuse to not have 2100 rating gear and if you missed the bus, then you either need to be skilled to overcome the gear difference (individual skill is not as important as team communication and planning), or go play 3v3 or Rbg where getting high rating is piss easy.
Check Pikaboo youtube channel (example, I know he is NA). There are tons of high ranked players playing at lower ratings, for different reasons.
However, after reading everything in this thread, I'm not hiding from the fact that improving my game and my team game is the only thing we can do under our control. Complaining about the other teams won't change anything.
So yeah, that's what we'll do!
strangely that 'popular' class almost doesn't exist in arena tournament u can follow on wow official youtube channel, they probably exist due to sheer number not due to actual having strong performance
while sadly it is 'way late' to know, if u want to know what is currently best (but still u are f8cked to catch up) just follow arena tournaments, mage exist in almost every combo, DK is rare, Mistweave doesn't exist, druid healer is extinct etc
So I admire how u got ur data, it shows wow total (which is probably more useful than my view of the top 10 best teams in world), but that's like saying horde dominate arena because they are more, while in tournament i saw exactly 1 horde team and rest is pure alliance since WoD era due to how broke OP alliance racials are (heck in WoD arena was purely humans + shaman dwarf healer or nelf druid healer)
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
I think playing at the start of each season alleviates a lot of the boosting situation as the boosters themselves are trying to climb, once theyve got their gear theres nothing else for them to do but cash in on smashing plebs with their 233 weapon.
ahhhh i forgot how beloved ferals are in rbg. Also 1,8 would still be undergeared to play on 1,6 with a non meta comp
just watch the tournaments. jungel vs pally war . both teams same i level and they get destroyed to the point they need to go healer as they cant win even trying to contest the meele or try to kill with cc.
you dont climb if you are good , you climb if you find high geared mates to carry you / play skill wise far over you current rating / join the meta slaves/ get boosted in rbg for gear