Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[postman1782]

Very centrist and independent.

Not surprising the white nationalist apologist and best friend to Nazis is now defending a convicted fucking murderer because he is now being held accountable for murdering a man without due process.

[LilSaihah]

Why'd she pull her gun in the first place? What bias made her take out her gun instead of her tazer?

You still have a problem with the fact that she killed someone, and should still face prison for it. If you're so careless in the application of force, it's negligence.

I thought it was entirely a mistake that she pulled her firearm rather than a taser. No bias; just straight up being stupid and irresponsible.

I'm curious whether this would actually put her in a worse position legally as this is more or less a clean-cut case of negligent homocide. If she had meant to deploy lethal force, she could try to justify it in court; you can't justify making such an incredibly stupid mistake.

Didn't he say some time ago that he loves being all vague and contradictory? So people don't get to know the real him or some other shit?

He does joke about being a milquetoast fencesitter. He also sells prepper supplies though which kinda tips the hand.

[JohnBrown1917]

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1384642632916344832

Edit: Seems like he's all over the place with his takes today and this is a painfully vague tweet. Like, it genuinely seems like two people are fighting over control of the damned account.

His hoodie is actually an sentient being that writes most of his stuff.

[bladeXcrasher]

I thought it was entirely a mistake that she pulled her firearm rather than a taser. No bias; just straight up being stupid and irresponsible.

I'm curious whether this would actually put her in a worse position legally as this is more or less a clean-cut case of negligent homocide. If she had meant to deploy lethal force, she could try to justify it in court; you can't justify making such an incredibly stupid mistake.



He does joke about being a milquetoast fencesitter. He also sells prepper supplies though which kinda tips the hand.

How is it a mistake to pull a weapon from your dominant side and not the taser that's on your non-dominant side? It's the difference between reaching across your body verse just dropping your hand down.

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How is it a mistake to pull a weapon from your dominant side and not the taser that's on your non-dominant side? It's the difference between reaching across your body verse just dropping your hand down.

Plus like...the weight of the weapon in your hand. The different feel of the grips between the two. The fact that the taser has very clearly visible bright yellow coloring. I mean, I can buy that it was a mistake as the context of the video makes it seem clear she very much thought she was holding a taser.

But there was so much more about that traffic stop where bias etc. did fit into the situation, even with officers of color being there.

There should never be any reason to pull over literally anyone for having air fresheners in their car.

[Paranoid Android]

Very centrist and independent.

As stated, cops are very much snowflakes. They had tantrums last summer over same issue l, when again we saw them use extreme force on protesters. The cops were called out and began to not do their job.

I bet many cops right now are upset at this ruling.

[NoiseTank13]

As stated, cops are very much snowflakes. They had tantrums last summer over same issue l, when again we saw them use extreme force on protesters. The cops were called out and began to not do their job.

I bet many cops right now are upset at this ruling.

Yeah I remember when New York donutmongers got pissy once and held a strike, believing that bedlam would result and people would be begging for them to go back to work.

Turns out everything ran smoothly and they returned to work with a little damp spot between their legs. What a bunch of fuckin' dinguses.

[LilSaihah]

How is it a mistake to pull a weapon from your dominant side and not the taser that's on your non-dominant side? It's the difference between reaching across your body verse just dropping your hand down.

Undertrained people in stressful situations do stupid things.

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Yeah I remember when New York donutmongers got pissy once and held a strike, believing that bedlam would result and people would be begging for them to go back to work.

Turns out everything ran smoothly and they returned to work with a little damp spot between their legs. What a bunch of fuckin' dinguses.

I think NYC cops did it twice? Once in the 70's and again this past decade?

[Endus]

It's hilarious because their reasoning behind it is that they get brigaded by all the libs on /r/politics.

Their justification is literally that their ideas and beliefs and opinions are super unpopular outside of their echo chamber and they can't tolerate that for some reason. It's such an amusing little set of contradictions that's a pretty perfect encapsulation of the modern Republican party.

That's what complaining about "cancel culture" has always boiled down to.

Nobody wants to buy your broken bullshit in the free marketplace of ideas, and in response, whine that open competition between ideas is "bad" and you need special protections.

Very centrist and independent.

Yes, Tim Pool, that's what "defund the police" was getting at.

I know you meant that as a threat, but it's like telling us socialists "oh yeah? What if we just gave everyone money every month, for nothing, just for existing?! Huh?!"
"Yes, that's a Universal Basic Income. We've been suggesting one for quite some time now."

Threatening people with the right/just outcome is the most hilarious take.

[Kasierith]

I positioned 10 months ago that the best defense available would be to confess to the material facts of the case, but argue against the state of mind required for 2nd degree murder by the state law. They were greedy and wanted to have their cake and eat it too. The worlds tiniest violin for him and his horrible legal team.

[Ripster42]

Also she pulled out her gun because she mistook it for her taser, unless you think she's lying or something and wanted to pull off a murder that she could easily be jailed for.

I don't actually think that when she shot him, she thought she had her gun. This is the "unconscious bias" bit we're talking about. Why'd she "mistake" her gun for a taser? If it was a mistake, you've gotta look at why she made the mistake she did. If it was because it was "too stressful of a situation," why was the situation that stressful? Why were they at that point in the use of force spectrum? If it was because the situation was so "routine and she was on auto-pilot," why is the use of force against people in that type of situation so routine that she doesn't pay attention closely enough? There's not really enough lipstick in the world to make that pig kissable. Especially when held up against the old white dude smashing a cop with a hammer and dragging him away in his vehicle.

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Undertrained people in stressful situations do stupid things.

And what do we call these undertrained people in stressful situations, after having done the stupid things?

Murderers.

We call them "murderers". Because that's what they fucking are.

Framing it like you did is like calling the guy who stabbed his wife 47 times an "overworked family provider who made a simple mistake when he got a bit emotional".

[Elegiac]

I thought it was entirely a mistake that she pulled her firearm rather than a taser. No bias; just straight up being stupid and irresponsible.

If you have held both taser and a firearm then you'll understand why a claim of mistaking the two strains credibility to the breaking point.

They are not remotely similar in terms of weight or feel, and one has bright coloration specifically to distinguish it from a live firearm. If it's incompetence, it is certainly malicious incompetence to the point it may as well be murder.

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If you have held both taser and a firearm then you'll understand why a claim of mistaking the two strains credibility to the breaking point.

They are not remotely similar in terms of weight or feel, and one has bright coloration specifically to distinguish it from a live firearm. If it's incompetence, it is certainly malicious incompetence to the point it may as well be murder.

See, I don't buy this at all. She fucked up, and fucked up BAD, but based on the video there's no evidence to support that this was driven by malice. Just a horrible, awful, stupid, tragic, idiotic mistake for a longtime veteran who should absolutely know better. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be charged, she should, or that bias wasn't at play in the traffic stop overall - it was - but I've seen little to indicate that bias was the motivation for her monumentally stupid mistake.

[cubby]

If you have held both taser and a firearm then you'll understand why a claim of mistaking the two strains credibility to the breaking point.

They are not remotely similar in terms of weight or feel, and one has bright coloration specifically to distinguish it from a live firearm. If it's incompetence, it is certainly malicious incompetence to the point it may as well be murder.

And she was a 20-year veteran of the police force as well as being a training officer. There are literally no excuses.

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See, I don't buy this at all. She fucked up, and fucked up BAD, but based on the video there's no evidence to support that this was driven by malice. Just a horrible, awful, stupid, tragic, idiotic mistake for a longtime veteran who should absolutely know better. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be charged, she should, or that bias wasn't at play in the traffic stop overall - it was - but I've seen little to indicate that bias was the motivation for her monumentally stupid mistake.

I do have to agree that the event looks borne of complete incompetence rather than any race-based malice. She should absolutely still face charges, of course.

[Elegiac]

See, I don't buy this at all. She fucked up, and fucked up BAD, but based on the video there's no evidence to support that this was driven by malice. Just a horrible, awful, stupid, tragic, idiotic mistake for a longtime veteran who should absolutely know better. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be charged, she should, or that bias wasn't at play in the traffic stop overall - it was - but I've seen little to indicate that bias was the motivation for her monumentally stupid mistake.

As far as I'm concerned the bias leading to the incident in the first place is sufficiently malicious, especially when you compare this to the kid gloves police use when it comes to white suspects.

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Just to bring this thread full circle, here was the original police report regarding Floyd's murder.



Were it not for a 17 year old girl recording this incident on her cellphone, this would have been the official version of events. This cannot be reformed.

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See, I don't buy this at all. She fucked up, and fucked up BAD, but based on the video there's no evidence to support that this was driven by malice. Just a horrible, awful, stupid, tragic, idiotic mistake for a longtime veteran who should absolutely know better. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be charged, she should, or that bias wasn't at play in the traffic stop overall - it was - but I've seen little to indicate that bias was the motivation for her monumentally stupid mistake.

"I'm a murderer because I'm an irresponsible and incompetent idiot" isn't functionally different in any meaningful sense from "I'm a murderer because I'm a giant racist". The important part is the first three words in both cases.

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"I'm a murderer because I'm an irresponsible and incompetent idiot" isn't functionally different in any meaningful sense from "I'm a murderer because I'm a giant racist". The important part is the first three words in both cases.

The first three word are the most important, I agree. I think think that, especially with the body camera video, any prosecutor would be hard pressed to make a case that race was a motivating factor in the mistake itself. In being pulled over? Sure. In choosing to deploy what she thought was a taser? Sure. In confusing her service weapon for a taser? No, not at all.

But she should go to prison all the same. A mistake that leads to you killing someone is still murder/manslaughter.

[LilSaihah]

Framing it like you did is like calling the guy who stabbed his wife 47 times an "overworked family provider who made a simple mistake when he got a bit emotional".

That seems a bit much. I'd be more inclined to make an analogy to a drunk driver who kills someone.