Who tf designs this class

[Neuroticaine]

no one, i think, want to be "OP", but blizzard cannot present certain classes in pvp and pve

i pay 12.99 eur/month like a sub rogue or a retri. Can i have a class "playable"?

You pay 12.99 eur/month to have access to the game and whatever meta the developers feel like supporting at the moment. If Sub Rogue and Ret Paladin aren't doing what you need, you have 34 other specs to choose from.

It genuinely baffles me that people still get upset over PVP balance in this game. It's been 17 years. The game has never been balanced and likely never will be. Either play something you enjoy, or play something that's on meta. That's all that really can be done at this point. Blizzard has a terrible track record otherwise.

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There are so many QoL issues left unattended that are not offset by appointing Affliction as a top 2 pve raid-setting contender. There's absolutely no reason why they can't scale Demo up to that range, for that matter. Right now Demo is on par at ilvl 220 with Spriests, Boomkins 11-12 item levels below in the M+ setting. Not even going to talk about the disparity where the Meta melee classes measure up to that effect.

Requires a core gameplay redesign. Not of the spec, but of the whole game. Demo and Affliction have different gameplay mechanics, so it's not really a matter of "scaling up" damage. If the scale Demonology up to be competitive with current fight design, the instant the decide to make a true tank and spank with genuinely minimal movement, Demo will skyrocket. The problem is game design, not spec design. And if Blizzard has shown anything, it's that with each expansion, they're going to throw more and more bullshit mechanics at us to prevent us from doing damage.

[jsrfuture]

Requires a core gameplay redesign. Not of the spec, but of the whole game. Demo and Affliction have different gameplay mechanics, so it's not really a matter of "scaling up" damage. If the scale Demonology up to be competitive with current fight design, the instant the decide to make a true tank and spank with genuinely minimal movement, Demo will skyrocket. The problem is game design, not spec design. And if Blizzard has shown anything, it's that with each expansion, they're going to throw more and more bullshit mechanics at us to prevent us from doing damage.

Honestly, I'd rework demo to make it highly mobile, the spec it already not a "real" range as good part of it's damage come from various pet that can't hit flying or target without path like the platform add on denathrius.

[Nemah]

I just want Demonology to actually be good. Affliction is so boring and Destro is somehow more boring than Arcane mage.

Fun fact, these days arcane mage is more fun than destro, lol.

[Wangming]

Fun fact, these days arcane mage is more fun than destro, lol.

That is hard to defend considering a casual skim of this page reveals to me that the definition of "fun" varies greatly between the players.

[h8ryan]

you need to play a different class if you're this bad at warlock PVP tbh

[Gratlim]

you need to play a different class if you're this bad at warlock PVP tbh

No offence but warlock are in the worst possible state in arena. Absolute trash class.

Look that arena representation (around 3% of players playing warlock):
3rd absolute worst class in 2v2 in higher ratings
2nd absolute worst class in 3v3 in higher ratings.
https://www.arenamate.net/representation-charts

If you want to pvp play Fire Mage / Shadowpriest / Balanse Druid.

They need to push way more instants / burst into warlock specs to make them viable.
A retired lock.

[Aggressive]

You really can't talk to people about warlocks. All they know is that they got hit in arenas with a 10K chaos Bolt and now warlocks are OP. Or warlocks beat me on the meters in raid and now the class is OP. But in reality warlocks are a shit fest to play as far as affliction goes. The spec turned into moderately easy to play to now you need to be a damn expert to work it right. I literally shelved mine in favor of rogue at the moment. So IMO the people designing the class are fucking idiots right now. The class is in the worst shape it has ever been.

[Ealyssa]

You obviously don't play to do well.

I'm not the one crying like a child on a video game forum...

[Tiwack]

I don't get why they design a spec around a small window to shoot for where it snapshots and scales off of your stats ridiculously.

[Irian]

The only spec that still feels like old school warlock is Destro. The other two, especially Demo have been so weird since Legion. Nothing is smooth gameplay wise. And there is hardly much synergies there.

Pretty much this, a big thing that led to me quitting was just feeling like the class I'd grown to love and main for a decade was effectively dead.

Warlock of today is like a really pathetic shadow of what the class used to be. It feels like every expansion makes the class somehow feel and play even worse than the last.

[DazManianDevil]

Delete DH and give Meta back to Demo pls. /s
I was always a fan of Wrath era locks. Destro was 3 buttons, Demo was like 8-9 buttons with a solid execute window with Molten Core passive making Soul fire fire off faster, not to mention how Affi refreshed its DoTs with drain soul during execute windows; as well as having access to instant Shadow fury or instant Howl of terror with Death coil.
Can I have this back blizz?

[scelero]

Just play BC when it comes out. Put shadow bolt on every action bar and spam it. SPAM IT and SPAM IT. But the fact people are saying playing affliction is too hard makes me think I can go back to playing my warlock. Cause I quite when blizzard allowed people to reapply things and not clip the last tick. So.

[LordVargK]

Honestly, I'd rework demo to make it highly mobile, the spec it already not a "real" range as good part of it's damage come from various pet that can't hit flying or target without path like the platform add on denathrius.

Take Soul strike and instant dogs as a talent. Combined with the conduit giving you molten core procs on HoG Demo is very mobile. I'd go so far as to say more mobile than affliction (which really only has 3 instant casts that don't generate much value) in a raid setting. I very rarely cast shadowbolt, so I only have to stand when casting HoG and tyrant. Of course, that's no build you will get a 100% parse. But it's good enough for >90% and honestly way more fun.

And yes. Denathrius is unplayable as Demo if you got some other melees in the raid.

But overall I think most of you guys have not tried playing Demo. It's FAR better than in Legion or BfA, especially with wilfred legendary. Was it better in MoP? Of course it was. Is it way more fun than the snorefest destru or the upkeep simulator affli (affli with kyrian is honestly a nightmare)? Also yes.

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Just play BC when it comes out. Put shadow bolt on every action bar and spam it. SPAM IT and SPAM IT. But the fact people are saying playing affliction is too hard makes me think I can go back to playing my warlock. Cause I quite when blizzard allowed people to reapply things and not clip the last tick. So.

You quit because of pandemic? That's... an interesting form of elitism. I can understand losing interest in DoT classes because of the removal of snapshotting, but because of pandemic? If you like keeping track of many DoTs/Debuffs then play Kyrian Affliction. You'll have 5-6 Dots and 2-3 debuffs to keep up. Bonus points for chosing the middle talent in the last talent row, which shortens your DoT time by 15%. And if you want to be extra spicy you take the legendary that lets you keep up a buff on yourself to increase your drain soul dmg You'll probably have to clip your Dots at the last second because you don't have the time to do otherwise.

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Delete DH and give Meta back to Demo pls. /s
I was always a fan of Wrath era locks. Destro was 3 buttons, Demo was like 8-9 buttons with a solid execute window with Molten Core passive making Soul fire fire off faster, not to mention how Affi refreshed its DoTs with drain soul during execute windows; as well as having access to instant Shadow fury or instant Howl of terror with Death coil.
Can I have this back blizz?

Did destru change much between wrath and cata? Because in cata it was honestly a mess. You had your soulfire buff to keep up, DoT immolate, corruption and agony or doom, cast chaosbolt on CD and then immolate. It did not really feel very destructive
But I also miss the WL execute damage. Shadowburn fast soulfire/demon bolt and the mix between drain soul and shadowbolt was superb.

[ketsui]

Nobody cares about pvp, kids.

imagine calling wow players kids, when most are probably 30+

[LordVargK]

Uhmm excus me, what about shadowflame?

Right, but that wasn't always feasible, since you needed to be in melee range.

[Th3Scourge]

Warlocks are the Accounting Major class. Sure it will get the job done, but you have to cheat on your wife and do drugs to make your life interesting.

As an accountant and a warlock player I can confirm all of the above is true

[Aggressive]

All other casters have ways to deal with that. So yes... it is warlock design.
Don't get me wrong rogues are overtuned right now, but other casters have means to deal with survivability now.

Key words here.....OTHER CLASSES. Those other classes are NOT warlock. Survivability for warlocks in PvP are pure shit. Fear is so overrated and outdated that it ain't even funny any more. Shit breaks when the warlock sneezes now.