The lore of death knight is ruined în legion and for the forsaken in cataclysm

[Mourneblade]

The lore of death knight is ruined in legion and for the forsaken in cataclysm

[Rendark]

What's wrong with the blight and making more forsaken?

[Freedom]

I don't know what game you've been playing - Darion Mograine has been kind of cold, dark ever since WOTLK. When I think of DK I don't think of fighting with honor or whatever... The voice line "Harness your hate, make it useful" sound familiar to you? This is how DKs have been for a long time - what you posted is what YOU want them to be.

[Powerogue]

While I loved Legion's whole questline for exactly the reasons you hated it, didn't you get your wish? Bolvar's free of the helm, so the death knights are free of Bolvar indirectly controlling them while under its influence.

And forsaken are already questioning the will of the dark lady, didn't you play BFA when she murdered Zelling? She may have a stray loyalist here or there but the bulk of the forsaken are following Calia and Voss right now against her.

Literally everything you asked for in this thread already happened.

[cparle87]

While I loved Legion's whole questline for exactly the reasons you hated it, didn't you get your wish? Bolvar's free of the helm, so the death knights are free of Bolvar indirectly controlling them while under its influence.

And forsaken are already questioning the will of the dark lady, didn't you play BFA when she murdered Zelling? She may have a stray loyalist here or there but the bulk of the forsaken are following Calia and Voss right now against her.

Literally everything you asked for in this thread already happened.

Even in Cataclysm we had forsaken leaving the forsaken if that makes any sense, hell, even in vanilla.

[Razion]

The Forsaken are equal parts comprised of members sympathetic and others villains.
Not all Forsaken are monsters, but some have embraced a path towards a new world order.
It has been this way since Classic, but it couldn't stay that way forever.

Change was needed - half the Forsaken were being written as straight up antagonists that would see the Horde destroyed and the evidence ever since the Wrath Gate has basically been out in the open. Characters like Putress may have been put in the ground, but the work for the new world order didn't end with Putress, it was only getting started. It's been a long time coming, but the issues of the Forsaken have all finally come to bear just recently to resolve one of the longest hanging plot threads in the entire game - the one of this New World Order the Forsaken have been working towards since forever.

The result of these events will pave the way for the Forsaken's future. Either the Forsaken will have to continue without Sylvanas and abandon the new world order and continue on in melancholy and likely continue being hunted like monsters, or Sylvanas will succeed and the new world order may perhaps not be what we think it is and could truly perhaps save the Forsaken or maybe even all of us in a way we're not quite sure of.

You may not personally like the Forsaken being on whatever path they're on, but things couldn't have stayed the same forever - it was becoming increasingly less believable that the New World Order Forsaken could keep getting away with the things they were doing. And while the Melancholic Forsaken didn't seem to want to have much to do with that New World Order agenda and were more than content to get themselves shot in the head trying to negotiate for peace, the fact was that still the New World Order was continuing its march and it was becoming increasingly harder for both the Alliance and the Horde to ignore until finally Undercity was put to siege.

The Forsaken couldn't be villains forever. Something had to give. The New World Order of Forsaken had to either finally accomplish their goal and save/destroy everyone, or finally be put to rest once and for all with Sylvanas' reign ending.

Sure, they could have done it another way. But I think the writing has been on the wall for a long time.
This plot thread has been dangling for too long, it had to be addressed.

[Super Dickmann]

This has not only already happened but we've already seen the results. Bolvar after Legion is a personality-less husk who can be replaced with a video camera, the post-neutering nu-undead have no characters or lore even in the expansion directly dealing with death. Turning both the same shade of lawful good has also made both irreparably dull. Mind, the Death Knights got out of it a lot better since at least the Horseman story was pretty good on its own.

[Raisei]

Death knight are fallen knights heroes how should have fight with honor , glory and doing the right thing , not by becoming cold evil monsters with their stupid edgelord line "we do what the living cannot" bs , they should have told other class halls about Bolvar becoming evil but no they blindly fallow The Lich King orders without question except for Darion in legion.

Bolvar never became evil, his plans were ruthless for sure, but their goal was the survival of Azeroth and the victory over the Legion. He even planned his own death when he knew that Sylvanas was coming for him. Knowing that he could not beat her without letting them Helm take full control and even then it was doubtful. Hence he planned to have his Horsemen there to kill either him or Sylvanas, whoever was wearing the Helm after their fight. Unfortunately he did not deduce Sylvanas' goal correctly, so it never happened like that.

The Death Knights are still firmly on the side of good and have been since Wrath. But their methods are brutal and might be reprehensible for many Azerothians. Much like the methods of Warlocks and Shadow Priests. Honor and Glory are for the living, they are worthless to the dead, but that does not make them evil. I would rather say the Ebon Blade is the predominant Anti-Hero faction.

Forsaken should have question the evil motivation of their dark lady about the blight and create more forsaken in the process , they are no better than the scourge by makeing them scourge 2.0 how fallow orders without question but with free will this time in cataclysm.

This is true and the reason for endless problems with the faction. The Forsaken are an evil faction within a non-evil faction that protects them from the consequences of their actions both in-lore and out-lore as a player faction automatically can never be held fully acountable for what it does.

[VinceVega]

Death knight are fallen knights heroes how should have fight with honor , glory and doing the right thing , not by becoming cold evil monsters with their stupid edgelord line "we do what the living cannot" bs , they should have told other class halls about Bolvar becoming evil but no they blindly fallow The Lich King orders without question except for Darion in legion.

Forsaken should have question the evil motivation of their dark lady about the blight and create more forsaken in the process , they are no better than the scourge by makeing them scourge 2.0 how fallow orders without question but with free will this time in cataclysm.

I think we are playing different games... DKs always have been "end justify the means" kinda guys.
What you are discribing are paladins... more or less.

And the forsaken don't see it that way because of their free will BUT they started to question her ways and motivation in BfA. Was all explored there.