What????
That's not even the case now, due to patch resets!
What a joke! This game has more welfare, catchup and patch resets than ever before!
2 can play at that game.
"Ever since WOTLK when they added welfare epics to 5 mans, the subs cratered! Starting right after ICC with that ez 5 man!1111!!!!1111"
Mine is actually legit though
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Content drought is a combination of catchup mechanics and no new content.
i would agree with this statement if it still was BC with a single lockout a week, but nowdays you can log in do 1-2 bosses on hc or normal mode a day or 1-2 keys a day, open a grp do stuff and get your gear.
There are no excuses for this lazyness, if you cant invest 1-2hrs a day in a mmo (if you want gear) you may just quit.
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I.O BFA Season 3
Go to a city, spend 15 minutes in trade chat, and you'll have 10 guilds to choose from. Join a guild, boom problem solved.
NO ONE is locked out of ANYTHING. How to you think other people do it? They just sit there and wait until they randomly get invited? You just have to invest some minimum amount of effort, and you're no longer "locked out" of playing.
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See my answer above to the other person.
You don't need to do ANY of the things you mentioned. There are plenty of casual guilds out there that just play casual content for fun, that requires none of your list.
It's not that other people talk shit on players that don't play the way they want. It's that people who make an effort and play difficult content that needs a lot of coordination between 20 players talk shit on players who play 20 minutes of trivial difficulty content per day and want the same rewards.
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I mean, how do you argue with a person that responds to "I have done XY" with "I don't believe you, so it's not possible to do XY".
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That guy didn't say "I did it, so that means everyone can do it". He said "I did it, that means it's possible". Wheres the other person answers "I can't do it, so nobody can do it". How is that any better?
There is no guarantee that any of those guilds are going to be a good fit. In fact I'd argue it's very unlikely someone is going to find their "forever home" in a random trade chat guild. I actively avoid those for that reason. I don't think it's a lot to ask for a guild with a little...substance to it.
None of us are asking for the same rewards. I can agree that it's silly to earn a 226 mythic piece from doing a simple world quest. I'm just asking for rewards that are slightly better than what we're allowed to have, slowly earned to give us a sense of progression throughout the patch cycle so we're not hopelessly stuck and at the mercy of literally everyone in the open world and in a random BG. The BfA system for PvP gear was perfect in that regard.
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There are better ways to find guilds, but it might take a bit more time. You can also use the guild browser. I think using trade chat is okay, you can usually immediately spot the bad/kiddie guilds, but there are also "normal"/casual guilds looking for members, at least on my realm.
And that's fine. But just understand, the exact same problem exists for all levels of players. Heroic raiders like me also are stuck on progression right now. Same thing for mythic raiders. The game just needs a content patch now, because many players have plateaued in their progression.
I've had success using guild recruitment forums, and one time on the server forum when I couldn't afford to transfer at the time. I don't always get bites, which is why I don't take guilds for granted and why I'm appreciative of being able to have a game even during those "in-between guild" periods. But I take every guild I join seriously and I invest time, money, and emotional energy into them. Just a leftover of my time back during the EverQuest days I suppose, but that's how I am and it's why it genuinely stings when it doesn't work out and I gotta repeat the cycle over again.
I don't think many would disagree that random mass-invite guilds aren't the way to go though.
As a heroic raider though you're basically one step below the top of the food chain. You can take your heroic gear, even if you aren't progressing to mythic, and use that to go have fun PvPing or go cut through WQs and other things for all the various cosmetic stuff. Meanwhile someone who isn't getting to raid or M+ is stuck at the bottom, and is at the mercy of everything in the world. Whether that's enemy players in PvP, the mobs in the open world, and the players subjecting you to harsh raiderio/log/etc standards. That's not a good feeling. I feel like when I come back, I'm not really going to be allowed to queue for battlegrounds because at 190-200 I'm not really going to get to do anything but die. And when there's no way to climb out of that, it feels hopeless.
Without an actual system change to be more friendly toward players like me, all a patch is going to do is raise the caps of everything and it will be the exact same situation.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
I don't do PvP so I can't comment on that, but my ilvl 200 holy priest can do WQs just fine without heroic gear. It might not be as fast as it is on my main, but holy priest is arguably the spec with the worst damage in the game, so if I had a real dps spec it would be a lot faster
Fair enough. It would just be kind of demoralizing to know that guy gets to do 3 WQs in the time it takes you to do 1.
But yup random BGs are the one thing I've consistently enjoyed in every expansion so being allowed to have fun in those is the one major thing I'm concerned about, and those do require gear.
I already made a question: the 460 free gear vs 475 max gear thing was quite late in the expansion. What was the difference in power between noratedpvp/nomythicraid/nohighlevelM+ and top gear in BfA S1?
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It does end in two weeks if you play 90 hours a day. That’s exactly why I said that there’s no progression path that can suit everyone.
For people who pushed M+ at the beginning of S1 progression path ended somewhere in January, while I have yet to get to get KSM.
You just can’t make everyone happy because you cannot control people’s playtime.
Hmm, I wonder how all in my raid got Cutting Edge when we killed Denathrius. I mean that should be impossible if we got carried right?
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Nobody here claims that everybody can do it. What people say here is that your progress in-game is limited by your gaming skills, your dedication (will and time) and your ability to co-operate with other people (how you perform in a group).
The vast majority of WoWs player-base is limited in one or more of those factors:
Some refuse to interact with other people. They are out because the hardest content requires you to interact and group up with other players.
Some lack gaming skills or don't want to improve. They have a natural ceiling of content they can do.
Some lack time and/or dedication. If such people have very good gaming and social skills then they are still able to do most content in-game.