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Ya, the 235 legendary is the best u can get. But when I refer to best gear, im talking like a full set, not 1 piece
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The person I was originally talking to was talking about acquiring the best gear just at a slower rate. Not second best gear.
When folks say they're having trouble getting into pugs because of things like raiderio among others, the answer is always "find a guild". What is the solution when you can't find a guild, but are also having trouble with pugs?
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Correct, but these people don't care. They think I should pay 15 a month to take beatings and be happy for them.
Only way I'm doing that is if there's a guarantee the beating-givers are all female characters wearing black leather transmogs.
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That sounds pretty cool, and yep that's precisely the kind of guild I'm looking for. One that's easy-going and inclusive, one where I don't have to worry about all the toxic elitism and exclusion on the outside. If I were a stronger minded person I could probably attempt to forge my own community out of nothing, and lead them to victory in this game, but I am not in the greatest of health and just thinking about attempting that is giving me headaches. I just want to join a good existing guild or community, is that much to ask?
Everyone who pugs have trouble finding groups. Including "high rio" players... Depending on my luck I sometimes look for groups for 1h+ even at 1800 rio. Sometimes I find it instantly. In the end it's not about trouble, it's about if you can pug these things to get the gear you want, which you can. Don't get me wrong, looking for groups are boring af, but that's something everyone has to do.
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What about the people who do find a guild very easily, and casually pug everything without trouble? Why is it some people, with or without Rio, have no issues completing all content either with a guild, or pugging, and yet you, someone who has not even purchased SL, let alone played it, keep parroting this narrative of "i cant find any groups".
Same goes for pvp - i know many people, myself included, who have a great deal of success and a hell of a lot of fun playing random bgs, even with an ilvl below 180. You know whats worse than getting killed by a 215 ilvl player when you are only 180 ilvl? Being on a 215 ilvl character and getting absolutely ruined by a skilled pvper on their 180 ilvl character.
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No - we are telling you that your reality comes from a place of having never played SL, and people who actually DO play it are saying your concerns are unfounded, or at very least grossly exaggerated.
In my experience that was never that much of a problem as it is now.
In previous expansions they usually gave out some epics for the plebs that made the world content trivial for everyone. It's only this exp that they are even stricter with the gear and they turned the welfare gear around so that only the rich get richer and the poor are fucked. Just like in the real world
Yes Ion may say "it's only 20%" but it's 20 more damage, 20% more hitpoints, 20% more selfhealing, 20% more crits, 20% faster casting and so on. That is a lot in the end.
I agree but that's a different system. Catch up mechanics are different than high end rewards. Rewards in the game are equal to effort involved. You can see the same content in LFR and be rewarded for it. The rewards are just scaled appropriately for the effort involved.
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I think they do yes, I know I don't work 80 hour weeks etc in a full time job. Shit in a previous guild I was in a fella I knew was only a bank manager and he took his work home with him. He'd be doing it in breaks and between raid wipes.
Why does it even matter? Your gear, mount, titles says nothing these days. I have no idea how skilled people are in this game anymore, cause theres no obvious tellings except for maybe the arena mounts at high level.
People use boosts left and right for PvE & pvp, without doing shit. People boost for mounts, titles, gear.
Theres also very little need of actually having to communicate with others and bond connections. Its just get into content you wanna do with randoms, hope it works out well, leave. Move onto next.
How it affects anyone, at any level of this game, that others have good gear is pointless. In fact, the more people with good gear, the potential bigger playerpool for higher content.
We are months into SL with no new patch in sight, thats more of an issue.
I don't know about that. Some of the old raiding titles and mounts which were removed I still dig. Death's Demise, Grand Crusader, Champion of the Naaru/Hand of A'dal and Amani War Bear etc. Some of the removed titles you couldn't buy or pug as they were server first kills.
Gladiator titles used to be the most prestigious, before they was nerfed to be a simple achievement..
I think bigger problem is with gear system because there is simply none. PVP gear is fastest to obtain and quality is same as PVE or even better in some points. Now they do deiced to make crazy restrictions about upgradin ur PVP gear in 9.1 (take and keep rat and win a least 1 match on same rat or above). Ok i feel it but this change will cut out totally gearing up ALTs if you dont wanna pay for freakin boost. Boosts are cancer that is eating this game so badly. PVE gearing its ok. PVP its dumb atm. There is no brakcets for PVPers. No changes between PVP/PVE gear at all. This is nuts. Imo PVP gear should downgrade -10ilvl in PVE and same PVE downgrade -10ilvl in PVP (+-). There should be brackets is u got for example 1660 rat u can play max vs 1799. Next bracket over 1800 etc.
Well, this might just be because the complaints over the game are constantly increasing. People enjoy drama and the unsatisfied are the loudest. So many people even in this thread are not even playing the game, but complain about the systems just because they feel good about infecting others with their hate and making them quit the game too.
And as I pointed out before, yes, I also feel this is newish. The mindset of players seems to be radically changing. Earning rewards is no longer something many people are interested in. They just want to be given stuff for free without effort, without aquiring necessary skills, just because they want them. It's a call for equality but in a warped way, where people that do the work, should not be treated differently then those that refuse to do it.
Again, you get free epics from your Covenant Story, which you can upgrade by doing WQs to ilvl 197, which is extremely close to Normal Raid gear. World Content is not becoming trivial because the world increases in difficulty as you increase in power. A system that has been in place since Legion to allow you to level anywhere you like and have a decent challenge even if you are highly geared.
And I still do not understand what you mean with this nonesense of "welfare for the rich". The "rich" are WORKING for their gear. My Vault is not scanning my Item Level and then fills itself... I still very much have to do 10 M+14 (at least) to get my 3 226 choices and even that is no guarantee that I will get an upgrade, last week I got so much crap I opted for the Stygia.
Do I have an easier time running +14s? Yes, because I am in a guild of friends and we have fun running stuff. I understand it's harder if you want to play completely solo, but how is that not the players own fault? This is a multi-player game, guilds and groups are readily avaiable for anyone that wants to join them. Not wanting to be social is a decision and it does not entitle people to an easier path to loot.
It's actually a lot less then you think, because individual player skill plays a huge part. Yes, the sim will tell you this is the case, but the sim assumes that both the 220 and 200 player are doing their rotations perfectly, without any mechanics involved. Basically on a dummy with an AI pushing button exactly on time. No human player can achieve that in actual combat.
Because of this you have an incredible variance between people, even if they are on the same gear level. For a really good player making up a 20% gear difference to a bad players is no problem. Just look at the WF Races. The players there are always undergeared, brutally so, but their performance allows them to still beat bosses that other people need 20 Ilvls more for.
On top of that, I still don't see the problem even if in an ideal world your character is 20% weaker then a Mythic Raider's. None of the content in the world requires this high gear. WQs will be easily done at 200 and even in the Maw you just need to be smart about how you pull things and interrupt what needs to be interrupted, gear does not changes this drastically. If I barge into Perdition's Hold at 226 and pull halve the area I will still die in seconds, I might live 20% longer but that makes very little difference.
I'm one of the few people from the RIO community who are objective. "Find a guild" is just a very poor response. It's like when someone tells a homeless guy "just go get a job, you lazy bum!" without knowing all the circumstances surrounding that person. While it sounds all easy to do, some tasks are not as feasible for some.
Id throw in "list your own key" as well. Listing your own key means running mythic zero. Running mythic zero means engaging with lfg. To players in lfg, this isnt a big deal. To players not running lfg its a gigantic step up, psychologically.
And i should add: Both answers are absolutely correct (which is super annoying). The issue is that LFG has a reputation in the community for toxicity, and blizzard do an incredibly poor job of explaining "This ISNT a massive leap into the abyss! You got this!"
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yeah, the old ones still hold up, I agree on that. But does the newer ones do? As with alot of things in retail wow, theres so much of it going around it almost loses meaning. So many mounts, so many titles. I barely notice mounts anymore, titles? pff cant recall myself looking at a title. They are a dime a dozen.
i dont play lfg. For reasons. I dont know what they are. I just dont. But even i know that (based on forums) mythic zero is super easy (especially when you have literal +6 mythic gear handed out to you) ...until a discussion comes up about mythic zero on lfd and then i know its the most complicated dungeon experience in game.
The community are kinda trash. I moaned about torghast just the other minute on the same grounds. LFG IS the obvious step up from mythic. Why heroic dungeons dont just become mythic zero 2 months after release of a new expansion boggles my mind. Just give them a key, throw it in their bags. Make them look at that key over 2-4 weeks. Make them think 'screw it, i'll list it'. Let them list it as "i dont care if we time this crap?!". Time the key! Get people invested in the system.
Instead we have: Ive finished LFD. Ive got awesome gear way above the content im doing. Queue for LFG? No thanks.
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