Winter Queen's Sister Reveal (Spoilers)

[Houle]

The only thing he did for the Light was heal a Naru.

If we go to the subject then he only did things for the Shadow because she gives power to the wardens.

He gives his "Normal" priestesses Arcane-nature powers.

All of her worship is about nature, she has various wild gods as demi-gods and she heals Yesra and the Diadras over and over again. The hara where his followers go is the place where those who follow nature go. And his favorite animal is those owl guys.




You realize that you are saying things that were not part of the Lore.
What "important" thing about the Lore that was already known from Cronicas is almost completely ignored.
Elune.

The book that is supposed to explain all the lode to you so far does not explain anything about Elune.

hakkers would be another mystery but in truth it is another wild god. He must have a similar origin.

yeah no shit. its also not talking about the eternal ones at all (including elunes own sister, the winter queen)
why? bc chronicles has been retconned so that it was written "only from the titans perspective"
the titans either didnt know or care about the eternal ones AND elune. thats why she and the eternal ones arent explained there. bc chronicles is no longer the "lore bible"

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The only thing he did for the Light was heal a Naru.

If we go to the subject then he only did things for the Shadow because she gives power to the wardens.

The wardens never use any sort of shadow/void magic the idea that they do just has no basis. they could be using a form a light like the priestess that turned pally in legion or just nebulous rouge like stuff.

He gives his "Normal" priestesses Arcane-nature powers.

again all arcane users were kicked out of the night elf's 10 thousand years ago the priest are all light based.

All of her worship is about nature, she has various wild gods as demi-gods and she heals Yesra and the Diadras over and over again. The hara where his followers go is the place where those who follow nature go. And his favorite animal is those owl guys.

her priest don't use nature magic they aren't druids. Healing Yesra has nothing to do with nature divine intervention saving souls is within the realm of light. dryad's are the kids of cenarius so that doesn't tell us any thing about elune other then she slept with a nature based deer.

[TheFirstOnes]

God, I pray you guys play a fucking Druid lmao

[Lorgar Aurelian]

God, I pray you guys play a fucking Druid lmao

Gameplay=/= lore.

[geco]

yeah no shit. its also not talking about the eternal ones at all (including elunes own sister, the winter queen)
why? bc chronicles has been retconned so that it was written "only from the titans perspective"
the titans either didnt know or care about the eternal ones AND elune. thats why she and the eternal ones arent explained there. bc chronicles is no longer the "lore bible"

Because the eternals were not part of the lore at the moment.

it is more they do not mention the eternals but they do mention the place where they should be.

The wardens never use any sort of shadow/void magic the idea that they do just has no basis. they could be using a form a light like the priestess that turned pally in legion or just nebulous rouge like stuff.

They can literally invoke shadow-cast avatars and their thirst for revenge on themselves.
Where do you see the light there?

her priest don't use nature magic they aren't druids. Healing Yesra has nothing to do with nature divine intervention saving souls is within the realm of light. dryad's are the kids of cenarius so that doesn't tell us any thing about elune other then she slept with a nature based deer.

Healing is something that the Druids also do with nature magic and Broswandi with death magic ... and demons.
That heals people does not make them use the light.

Besides, we still have the Owl spirits that can summon priestesses made of green magic.

Gameplay=/= lore.

Elune Priest =/= Gameplay Priest

[TheFirstOnes]

Gameplay=/= lore.

Yeah, except Malfurion also does similar attacks, and the very description of Balance Druids is that they not only wield nature, but also astral, holy magics to deal damage to their foes.

Oh, and need I remind you that the Balance Druid Artifact weapon's called the Scythe of Elune?

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Outside of the Druid links and the stuff with the Night Elves, and a vague theory on her making the Prime Naaru, she's almost always linked with Nature. Hell, Nature is also linked with Light in ways (As I've mentioned above), so why tf couldn't Elune be part of a Life Pantheon? Titans can dabble in other Cosmic Powers, so can Eternal Ones (SUCH AS ELUNE'S SISTER LMAO).

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They can literally invoke shadow-cast avatars and their thirst for revenge on themselves.
Where do you see the light there?

The shadow avatars are made by that fel corrupted warden and even that could have been fel magic not shadow given that fel has spell's like shadowflame. either way not elune based. as to them using light, they could be doing it as night elf's don't tend to use the light in the same way as flashy humans or they could just be doing rouge stuff without links to any of the magic cosmic forces.

Healing is something that the Druids also do with nature magic and Broswandi with death magic ... and demons.
That heals people does not make them use the light.

yesra wasn't healed she was cleansed from the taint of the nightmare and her soul was saved something broswandi nor any other wild god could do.

Besides, we still have the Owl spirits that can summon priestesses made of green magic.

And the priest of Elune summon owl's of silver light. the wardens could be using some druid magic for green but it wouldn't be from elune.

Elune Priest =/= Gameplay Priest

No be Elune priest does = light based priest as we know from them working in the neatherlight crucible and one becoming a pally.

[TheFirstOnes]

Hell, isn't the Drust shit literally Deathly Druidic magics? Why can't the WQ's sister (Who is also of Nature (Tho, in its waning side) and is also shown to have some light-esc abilities) not be one of the prime sources of the Life side of Druidism? Especially since she and Malorne's child is literally the Lord of the Forests and taught Malfurion himself.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yeah, except Malfurion also does similar attacks, and the very description of Balance Druids is that they not only wield nature, but also astral, holy magics to deal damage to their foes.

Oh, and need I remind you that the Balance Druid Artifact weapon's called the Scythe of Elune?

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and Malfurion doesn't use arcane astral could be light based(likely) or just pure nature based but its not arcane.

the scythe of elune was also blessed by elunes light and then infused with a wild gods fang leaning even more credence to her being purly light based.

Outside of the Druid links and the stuff with the Night Elves, and a vague theory on her making the Prime Naaru, she's almost always linked with Nature. Hell, Nature is also linked with Light in ways (As I've mentioned above), so why tf couldn't Elune be part of a Life Pantheon? Titans can dabble in other Cosmic Powers, so can Eternal Ones (SUCH AS ELUNE'S SISTER LMAO).

again no actual links to nature have been shown other then she like's nature based things and hangs out with them. every thing she's ever done has been light aligned she could very well just feel home sick and stick near nature based people because she misses her shadowlands forest and the winterqueen.

[geco]

The shadow avatars are made by that fel corrupted warden and even that could have been fel magic not shadow given that fel has spell's like shadowflame. either way not elune based. as to them using light, they could be doing it as night elf's don't tend to use the light in the same way as flashy humans or they could just be doing rouge stuff without links to any of the magic cosmic forces.

1 does Maiev.
2 if we say that the shadow can really be light then everything can be anything.

yesra wasn't healed she was cleansed from the taint of the nightmare and her soul was saved something broswandi nor any other wild god could do.

It is still a way of healing.
It's more. We watched the Druids purify the emerald nightmare. With Druid magic. So if you are purifying the nightmare. It has more to do with Druidic magic.

And the priest of Elune summon owl's of silver light. the wardens could be using some druid magic for green but it wouldn't be from elune.

Nope they invoke green things.

No be Elune priest does = light based priest as we know from them working in the neatherlight crucible and one becoming a pally.

Yes and we know that all the Speels of Maiev and Tyrande that Elune granted them. In WoW they are all in other classes.



PS: and if we take into account Heros and W3, it further increases the powers of Elune that are linked to Darkness and nature.

Ps2: The night war infused by Elune uses Druid powers to attack.

[TheFirstOnes]

Astral magics don't need to be Arcane based btw.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

1 does Maiev.
2 if we say that the shadow can really be light then everything can be anything.

I can't say I remember Maiev ever doing so. and its not shadow being light it's names not always matching up witht here magic source which we see all the times with things like fel magic and spells like incinerate or shadowflame.

It is still a way of healing.

sure a way of healing only light based beings has ever been able to do.

Nope they invoke green things.

they don't

Yes and we know that all the Speels of Maiev and Tyrande that Elune granted them. In WoW they are all in other classes.



PS: and if we take into account Heros and W3, it further increases the powers of Elune that are linked to Darkness and nature.

Ps2: The night war infused by Elune uses Druid powers to attack.

its all the silverblue light based stuff elune is known for.

[geco]

I can't say I remember Maiev ever doing so. and its not shadow being light it's names not always matching up witht here magic source which we see all the times with things like fel magic and spells like incinerate or shadowflame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFoZlLr8DgQ

Or are you right in wow only invoke the spirit of the people who are supposed to be in the jaws lit fires.

Well you can take that in all the other sources where we see Maiev fight she uses shadow magic.

sure a way of healing only light based beings has ever been able to do.

If we ignore all the Lore of the Druids to be cleaning the corruption of the emerald nightmare over and over again.

they don't

Dori'thur?

its all the silverblue light based stuff elune is known for.

Yep is a druidc Power.

PS: Maiev's blinck is a power given to her by Elune and is arcane or from the shadows. Depending on the version of it.

[Jastall]

Her children are semi-mythical. The Moon (Goddess) didn't literally bang a deer to make the first keepers. None have ever addressed her in the familial way the Winter Queen does and a parent-child dynamic is different from a sibling one. Siblings evoke the relatively same level. We know that the Winter Queen is strained by the effort of raising Ysera. Now, you can mention that Elune was already measured in BFA by way of the Leatherworking quests and how all she did was numb the night elves burnt up rather than interfere directly, but both of these are vague enough and don't involve humanizing the character. Both making her be the goddess of more than the night elves and making her sister (whom she's dubious enough of to call Ysera a pet) a prominent character lean towards explaining Elune and making her an active actor rather than a behind the scenes unexplained one.

To be quite honest I'm not sure why Elune got to be so special. She was in WC3, but in WC3 the Light was also a nebulous entity without beings like the Naaru to embody it, the Void didn't even exist while we only had a hint of the Old Gods in the form of a tentacled miniboss, and Sargeras was just some evil dude we know nothing of rather than a planet sized Satan who cleaves worlds in half.

I'm not saying this development will be good (at best it'll just be different) but it was kind of inevitable that, in a context where the mysteries of the universe are being peeled off one by one to give us new lands to explore, raid bosses to kill and phat lewt to collect, that one kinda deity who deals with one race out of two dozens now would stop being special at some point or another.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFoZlLr8DgQ

Or are you right in wow only invoke the spirit of the people who are supposed to be in the jaws lit fires.

Well you can take that in all the other sources where we see Maiev fight she uses shadow magic.

ah horde side that would be why I missed it. as to other sources no where does it ever say she uses shadow magic it could be just normal rouge stuff not linked to any cosmic power like we have seen other rouges do.

If we ignore all the Lore of the Druids to be cleaning the corruption of the emerald nightmare over and over again.

did you not do the emerald nightmare raid? when you die corrupted by the nightmare you don't pass onto the shadowlands that's why the dragons and ursoc were raid bosses in there Elune bypassed all something druids can't do

Dori'thur?

is the owl in the picture I linked and he's suppose to be blue /silver like he is in all official art, ingame model flops fall behind of official art when it comes to actual lore.

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Yep is a druidc Power.

PS: Maiev's blinck is a power given to her by Elune and is arcane or from the shadows. Depending on the version of it.

God I hate edit quoting.

The night elfs outlawed arcane maiev litteraly goes on a killing spree when they let arcane users back in she doesn’t use arcane and neither did any other night elf until cata.

As to it being shadow magic I don’t think there’s an official night elf stance on the type but it’s more likely to just fall under the same thing as non sub routes where she’s not using actual shadow/void/magic. No matter what it is though no one elune aligned has ever been shown to use shadow so there’s no reason to think elune is giving just her shadow powers because she has one spell called shadow clones.

[olddog]

???

Void Lords = Outer Gods. While the Old Gods = Great Old Ones.

First Ones = Watchmakers of all existence. Beyond anything Titan or Order related.

Six Cosmic Pantheons = Literally like the Titan Pantheon, but for a different Cosmic Power.

The Jailer = Edgy Darkseid.

Yeah. Outer Gods are much bigger Great Old ones with cosmic power, like Void Lords are much bigger Old Gods.

First Ones, the Progenitors of entire Warcraft Universe.
Titans is also the Progenitors of Physical Universe.

and Other Pantheons of different cosmic powers is below the First ones, like titanic keeper pantheon is below Titan pantheon.

The jailer.... True master of Lich king and Scourge, another Sargeras but BALD and NAKED.

[TheFirstOnes]

Yeah. Outer Gods are much bigger Great Old ones with cosmic power, like Void Lords are much bigger Old Gods.

First Ones, the Progenitors of entire Warcraft Universe.
Titans is also the Progenitors of Physical Universe.

and Other Pantheons of different cosmic powers is below the First ones, like titanic keeper pantheon is below Titan pantheon.

The jailer.... True master of Lich king and Scourge, another Sargeras but BALD and NAKED.

The Titans are not the progenitors of the Physical Universe, the fuck?

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The Progenitors of Reality would be Light and Shadow

[Minikin]

I think most people thought it was Eonar, if not just because their themes have heavy overlap being associated with nature. That said, it's still possible that she is referring to Eonar and that the Tear of Elune is actually just something that was created by Eonar and eventually coopted by the Elves.

This level of bending is not good for health

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FWI, this Tear of Elune has nothing to do with the one in Legion. This one comes out of Tyrande after overcoming the hatred/power of the Night Warrior.

I was wondering about that because I still have the Legion one in my bags lol

[geco]

ah horde side that would be why I missed it. as to other sources no where does it ever say she uses shadow magic it could be just normal rouge stuff not linked to any cosmic power like we have seen other rouges do.

https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/heroes/maiev/
Send a shadow of Maiev outward that will return to its cast location, dealing 150 damage to enemies along both paths. If an enemy Hero is hit, reduce the cooldown by 4 seconds.

did you not do the emerald nightmare raid? when you die corrupted by the nightmare you don't pass onto the shadowlands that's why the dragons and ursoc were raid bosses in there Elune bypassed all something druids can't do

Malfurion purified teldrassil.
The difference is that Elune has more healing power than Malfurion and the Druids.

is the owl in the picture I linked and he's suppose to be blue /silver like he is in all official art, ingame model flops fall behind of official art when it comes to actual lore.

So we have to assume that this green model is for the owls of the other priestesses?So we have to assume that this green model is for the owls of the other priestesses?
All the other owls are green but the one belonging to the chief priestess is Silver.

The night elfs outlawed arcane maiev litteraly goes on a killing spree when they let arcane users back in she doesn’t use arcane and neither did any other night elf until cata.

As to it being shadow magic I don’t think there’s an official night elf stance on the type but it’s more likely to just fall under the same thing as non sub routes where she’s not using actual shadow/void/magic. No matter what it is though no one elune aligned has ever been shown to use shadow so there’s no reason to think elune is giving just her shadow powers because she has one spell called shadow clones.

In Heros of the pure shadow. In WoW mechanics is arcane magic. In W3 would imply that it is magic of the shadows by following his aesthetics.

The issue is it's not light magic. (Like other things.)

Elune has magic of all types except demonic.


PD: Raises an invulnerable feral spirit from the corpses of fallen units. Lasts 50 seconds or until the avatar dies.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/heroes/maiev/
Send a shadow of Maiev outward that will return to its cast location, dealing 150 damage to enemies along both paths. If an enemy Hero is hit, reduce the cooldown by 4 seconds.

Heros of the storm means nothing to wow lore.

Malfurion purified teldrassil.
The difference is that Elune has more healing power than Malfurion and the Druids.

Teldrassil is a tree it doesn't have a soul like the green dragons.

So we have to assume that this green model is for the owls of the other priestesses?So we have to assume that this green model is for the owls of the other priestesses?
All the other owls are green but the one belonging to the chief priestess is Silver.

no were to assume the green one is from the one of the tamable spirits beast or other forest spirts like in the emerald nightmare raid and has nothing to do with the priest of elune as other then tyranda there not known for all using owls.

In Heros of the pure shadow. In WoW mechanics is arcane magic. In W3 would imply that it is magic of the shadows by following his aesthetics.

The issue is it's not light magic. (Like other things.)

Elune has magic of all types except demonic.


PD: Raises an invulnerable feral spirit from the corpses of fallen units. Lasts 50 seconds or until the avatar dies.

I think your main problem is your looking at abunch of game mechanics and saying they apply to lore when they don't and in some cases go against the lore comply like with the use of arcane.