Israel and Palestine Conflict Heats Up

[Machismo]

Then why does it mater so much that people call it ethnic cleansing? Why do you never say anything specific?



It’s also very hard to return to a home that doesn’t fucking exist. What do you think happens to homes that got destroyed, when the bombing stops? You think this is some matrix shit and they just materialize from out of space?

People lost their homes. There is no home to return to. This isn’t a video game level you just restart. The dead are not rising up...



No, my argument boils down to... instead of turning away boats full of Jewish children before WW2, isn’t a mistake we should repeat. We should accept those boats and tell them that anyone can come here. Bring more boats... not have rules in place that set arbitrary limits, that in effect are turning away boats full of children, just as we did before WW2.



You are not the subject of this thread, anymore than I am...

It seems to matter to you, you are the one who got triggered by it. You're the one that is pissed off about using it. I love that you keep trying to argue as if I don't support freedom of movement. Seriously, you should pay attention to the people you want to argue with. You're literally arguing against the guy in these forums who supports freedom of movement the most.

The rest is simply your straw man, keep beating up on that bad boy. You got this!!!

[Felya]

It seems to matter to you, you are the one who got triggered by it. You're the one that is pissed off about using it. I love that you keep trying to argue as if I don't support freedom of movement. Seriously, you should pay attention to the people you ant to argue with.

The rest is simply your straw man, keep beating up on that bad boy. You got this!!!

You didn’t even read it...

[Machismo]

You didn’t even read it...

Oh, I did.

It's more of your straw man bullshit.

I'm not arguing what you claimed, neither is Endus.

[Machismo]

What did I assert in that post, for it to be a strawman? That entire post is asking why saying ethnic cleansing matters, then once again defining my position. None of that constitutes an assertion... it can’t be strawman...



Not possible... I’m not calling you triggered... I’m not defining anyone’s argument. You were actually misrepresenting my argument by saying this:



Is a strawman... my response defining my argument, can’t be a strawman...

You didn’t read...

Your entire argument was. You keep claiming we don't support refugees.

Meanwhile, I'm here, opposing ethnic cleansing, and calling for it to be stopped. You called it virtue signaling.

Imagine that.

Of course, I support your freedom to not call ethnic cleansing... ethnic cleansing. I also support your freedom to be outraged by those who do.

[Felya]

Israel needs to be held responsible for this shit. Bombing the press because they’re showing how awful you are isn’t a good sign.

I think it’s a lot more than a sign... UN needs to demand Bibi resign.

[Felya]

blowing up media offices lol cmon now. collective punishment is a war crime

Want to make sure my nonsense didn’t bury this.

Israel strike in Gaza destroys building with AP, other media
https://abcnews.go.com/International...-bank-77707152

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The US should as well. No more weapons so long as he holds power.

Oh totally, I was including US in UN... technically it should be everyone...

Edit: I don’t think Israel should be getting weapons. Support for the Iron Dome, sure... but, until Israel can show they can be used responsibility, they shouldn’t get any. It’s a similar reason why SA shouldn’t be sold weapons either...

[Endus]

My grandmother was 80...

My comment was about how long the Palestinian families in question have held ownership of those homes.

You respond with a comment about your grandmother's age.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in connecting those two dots, but it sure seems like you decided to wildly misinterpret what I said.

[Rennadrel]

It's a bit worse than that Israel has no motive to do a deal, the politicians need the scary boogeymen to keep getting elected. For both parties to come to the table in good faith they would have to gain something of value, Palestinians have nothing to offer.

But we've seen time and time again recently that Benjamin Netanyahu has struggled to retain power, each time narrowly clinging onto control. Eventually, he's going to get ousted for good and his Zionist dogma will go along with him. But it's on the people of Israel to ensure that Bennie and his lackies get the boot for good. Maybe once enough of their supporters die from getting shelled by Hamas militants will they start changing their tune. But until both sides have leadership that is willing to go to the bargaining table in good faith, things won't change, and that also includes the removal of Hamas as a government.

[Felya]

My comment was about how long the Palestinian families in question have held ownership of those homes.

You respond with a comment about your grandmother's age.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in connecting those two dots, but it sure seems like you decided to wildly misinterpret what I said.

Who did you quote in “refugee”? Why was it in quotes? Was my meaning of refugee different than some other? Yeah, I “misinterpreted” what you said, while you are giving me “the benefit of doubt”...

Refugee, means people want to leave... it being 80 or a million, is irrelevant... if people want to leave, we should accept them.

Don’t give me your benefit of doubt... treat what I say literally...

[Endus]

Who did you quote in “refugee”? Why was it in quotes? Was my meaning of refugee different than some other? Yeah, I “misinterpreted” what you said, while you are giving me “the benefit of doubt”...

Refugee, means people want to leave... it being 80 or a million, is irrelevant... if people want to leave, we should accept them.

Don’t give me your benefit of doubt... treat what I say literally...

It was in quotes because we weren't talking about refugees. We were talking about Palestinians who wanted to stay exactly where their family had always lived, but were being forced out illegally by Israeli forces. Bringing up refugees in that context is just derailing.

And frankly, if you're trying to suggest they should be refugees, and should leave the region regardless of what they want, that's siding with Israel in favor of ethnic cleansing. Which is why you're facing pushback. That's literally the definition of ethnic cleansing, dude. Question why you brought up refugees at all, here.

[Felya]

But we've seen time and time again recently that Benjamin Netanyahu has struggled to retain power, each time narrowly clinging onto control. Eventually, he's going to get ousted for good and his Zionist dogma will go along with him. But it's on the people of Israel to ensure that Bennie and his lackies get the boot for good. Maybe once enough of their supporters die from getting shelled by Hamas militants will they start changing their tune. But until both sides have leadership that is willing to go to the bargaining table in good faith, things won't change, and that also includes the removal of Hamas as a government.

That’s a contradiction... international will needs to be asserted.

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It was in quotes because we weren't talking about refugees. We were talking about Palestinians who wanted to stay exactly where their family had always lived, but were being forced out illegally by Israeli forces. Bringing up refugees in that context is just derailing.

Quote anyone saying this was about Palestinians who wanted to stay. Please, go check what actually made you say that... Just because someone claims I said that, while I was denying it... means you thought I was lying, not that I actually made that argument... Go look for it... see what actually happened.

No, I brought up refugees, in context of what US needs to do. It was in context of me trying to discuss actions taken by Biden. It was me saying that Biden needs to get aid. I said that we need to get people the hell out of there. Which in the very next post I clarified I meant refugees, because someone had an extremely uncharitable... and completely out of line with everything I am saying... interpretation of saying that. An interpretation, that believed I said we need to both, increased aid and force people out... how asinine... especially since I clarified as soon as I realized the misinterpretation.

So... no... what’s off topic, is this focus on me... and my need to defend my self... I’m sorry, that I have a need to defend my self... but, am also one of the few that are actually responding on topic, instead of getting personal.

Edit: All the while... being told I’m triggered... lunacy...

[Machismo]

That’s a contradiction... international will needs to be asserted.

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Quote anyone saying this was about Palestinians who wanted to stay. Please, go check what actually made you say that... Just because someone claims I said that, while I was denying it... means you thought I was lying, not that I actually made that argument... Go look for it... see what actually happened.

No, I brought up refugees, in context of what US needs to do. It was in context of me trying to discuss actions taken by Biden. It was me saying that Biden needs to get aid. I said that we need to get people the hell out of there. Which in the very next post I clarified I meant refugees, because someone had an extremely uncharitable... and completely out of line with everything I am saying... interpretation of saying that. An interpretation, that believed I said we need to both, increased aid and force people out... how asinine... especially since I clarified as soon as I realized the misinterpretation.

So... no... what’s off topic, is this focus on me... and my need to defend my self... I’m sorry, that I have a need to defend my self... but, am also one of the few that are actually responding on topic, instead of getting personal.

Maybe we should try and stop the ethnic cleansing.

Just a thought.

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They’re turn into refugees when they get evicted. You guys are quibbling over some weird shit.

The goal is to protect them, so they don't become refugees in the first place.

[Endus]

Quote anyone saying this was about Palestinians who wanted to stay. Please, go check what actually made you say that...

https://www.businessinsider.com/shei...history-2021-5

Pretty much every single article on the last week's events, dude.

No, I brought up refugees, in context of what US needs to do. It was in context of me trying to discuss actions taken by Biden. It was me saying that Biden needs to get aid. I said that we need to get people the hell out of there. Which in the very next post I clarified I meant refugees, because someone had an extremely uncharitable... and completely out of line with everything I am saying... interpretation of saying that. An interpretation, that believed I said we need to both, increased aid and force people out... how asinine... especially since I clarified as soon as I realized the misinterpretation.

And the point is that Israel's stance behind all this is also that they "need to get [Palestinians] the hell out of there". That that practice is literally the definition of ethnic cleansing.

Refugees are people who fled a circumstance. If people are choosing to stay, forcibly removing them against that will is ethnic cleansing. It is not humanitarian.

So... no... what’s off topic, is this focus on me... and my need to defend my self... I’m sorry, that I have a need to defend my self... but, am also one of the few that are actually responding on topic, instead of getting personal.

It's a discussion thread. If you can't defend your own arguments, you have no business posting.

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They’re turn into refugees when they get evicted. You guys are quibbling over some weird shit.

That's not how refugees are defined, no.

Are they fleeing the region? If not, they aren't refugees.

[jonnysensible]

wow those cctv videos showing people marking Arab homes to identify them, before they were fire bombed later on is fucking sick.

Bibi said they would use live ammo against protesters the other day and now they are 400 injured so far not sure what the dead count is.

Israel has completely lost the plot.

[downnola]

IDF is going after the media in Gaza now. Took down a building that houses Al Jazeera and AP.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/15/99712...with-ap-bureau

Edit- oh I'm way late on the news. Need to check the thread first next time.

[jonnysensible]

Yep, meanwhile the US will block any action against Israel, letting Bibi and his extremist stooges commit all kinds of heinous shit.

It's fucking sickening.

the fundamental problem at the heart of all this action is that there is no military solution to this problem. Its a pointless and cruel en devour.

[PACOX]

IDF is going after the media in Gaza now. Took down a building that houses Al Jazeera and AP.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/15/99712...with-ap-bureau

Edit- oh I'm way late on the news. Need to check the thread first next time.

The IDF will say they took down Hamas sympathizers who were spread Hamas propaganda, thus all justifiable.

[DarkAmbient]

Surely our Western governments will condemn this Israeli attack on the media. Really. Any moment now.

[Breccia]

Israel strike in Gaza destroys building with AP, other media

IDF is going after the media in Gaza now. Took down a building that houses Al Jazeera and AP.

White House says safety of journalists is crucial but does not directly denounce the attack.

We have communicated directly to the Israelis that ensuring the safety and security of journalists and independent media is a paramount responsibility,

I hope that warning was strongly worded, as in "seriously knock that shit off". Bombing civilians is already pretty fucked up, even if it is routine there. Intentionally targeting international media is admission of guilt.

[Easo]

Couple of days ago some funny shit happened - remember those 3 missiles launched from Lebanon to Israel? Hezbollah arrested the rocketeers. I love geopolitics.

wow those cctv videos showing people marking Arab homes to identify them, before they were fire bombed later on is fucking sick.

Bibi said they would use live ammo against protesters the other day and now they are 400 injured so far not sure what the dead count is.

Israel has completely lost the plot.

Same as with reports/videos showing Arabs doing exactly the same. Common, we are not 5 years old here, we know how these things go. Trash from both sides always comes out, then we can all go pointing fingers at each other.