Night warrior story ending and why people dont like it.

[geco]

1. Who won't bring famine on a whole race. And if they tried the spirits would probably deny them.

2. What? No, Sylvanas used catapults. The fuck.

3. They don't, once they've taken Ashenvale.

1 The spirits that abib the flame of Teldrazzil or those that made a wall of fire so that the Horde cannot walk?

2 Le a good war. There they will silence you that the spirits helped burn Teldrazzil.

3 They are still civilians. The Horde has trouble fighting civilians. If Tyrande or Maiev was there, the Horde would have lost to Civilians and 2 "leaders".

lol. The Warsong was beating their entire army. One Orcish clan.

You're implying that the entire army moved. No orders from Tyrande, Shandros, or Malfurion?

Druids can't just ''make food''. They can't make food spawn out of nowhere.

There is literally a mission where they literally create food on a farm.
Not counting all the times they just make trees grow. Use the same power in vegetables or fruits.

[eurojust]

I love how people assume that the Night Elves are weaker than Orcs because the Warsong clan beat some Sentinels in two missions (and the other one was a win with the fel blood)... but conventionally forget that Tyrande had no problem dealing with both Orcs and Humans later on...

[geco]

I love how people assume that the Night Elves are weaker than Orcs because the Warsong clan beat some Sentinels in two missions (and the other one was a win with the fel blood)... but conventionally forget that Tyrande had no problem dealing with both Orcs and Humans later on...

Or that in Vanilla it was alone against 3 races and in even Cata it was 2 vs 3 and after Cata 2 vs 4.

[starstationprofm]

Or that in Vanilla it was alone against 3 races and in even Cata it was 2 vs 3 and after Cata 2 vs 4.

Alone against 3 races and the Horde had half of Ashenvale, yeah.

That's not what a successful defence looks like. Also they weren't alone, they had adventurers from the rest of the Alliance helping out.

[geco]

Alone against 3 races and the Horde had half of Ashenvale, yeah.

That's not what a successful defence looks like. Also they weren't alone, they had adventurers from the rest of the Alliance helping out.

And the Horde had to venture from the rest of the Horde.
And not if you go to Vanilla it doesn't have half the forest. They have at most one path. They do not even reach the river.
Not to mention that even BFA The Horde never managed to cross that river.

(You know he only could when it was against Civilians.)

[starstationprofm]

And the Horde had to venture from the rest of the Horde.
And not if you go to Vanilla it doesn't have half the forest. They have at most one path. They do not even reach the river.
Not to mention that even BFA The Horde never managed to cross that river.

(You know he only could when it was against Civilians.)

Except... you know, the Zoram Strand outpost.

And that river basically splits Ashenvale in two.

[geco]

Except... you know, the Zoram Strand outpost.

And that river basically splits Ashenvale in two.

and it took until Cata to get there.

[starstationprofm]

and it took until Cata to get there.

No? They had that in Vanilla.

[geco]

No? They had that in Vanilla.

So from Vanilla to BFA the Horde didn't get a single advance?
Well the Kaldorei are much stronger than we thought.

[sighy]

So from Vanilla to BFA the Horde didn't get a single advance?
Well the Kaldorei are much stronger than we thought.

Technically they were going back and forth.
Initial incursion... get corrupted and ultimately withdraw.
Second incursion a few hutes here and there.
Cata get all the way to northern Darkshore only to kinda withdraw in MoP sort of
BfA here we go again

Kaldorei are always very strong, when the plot needs the like 5 characters from Knaak novels to do something. Malfurion, Tyrande and Illidan are nothing like they were in the original Warcraft 3 taking more from the Knaak novel characterisation, which somehow managed to make Tyrande and Malfurion to an extent look completely stupid retrospectively.

[starstationprofm]

So from Vanilla to BFA the Horde didn't get a single advance?
Well the Kaldorei are much stronger than we thought.

In Cataclysm they get most of Ashenvale and Azshara.

[bagina]

Nelf Bros, take the neutral faction pill. Do away with the Alliance.

[VladlTutushkin]

Nelf Bros, take the neutral faction pill. Do away with the Alliance.

If that was possible i bet most would have left after Cata already, but sadly there is no "fuck you Anduin go try to peace talk an axe coming for your head" and leave option. Aside from quitting the game which i did and cancelled the sub back in 8.1.

[Syegfryed]

What i would want is not so much "Superior treatment", more like a break from constantly being curb-stomped to make other races seem powerful.

We get it, Blizz thinks orcs are badass, no need to slap around some Night elves every few years to rub it in...

You wish it was just the orcs, but again, your "constantly curb-stomped" only happened in cataclysm and ended up with alliance victory, so i still don't know why this massive outcry about it "constantly", we literally have the event of pre-vanila(who set up the place as a constested zone with the BG) cataclysm(alliance victory) and now

And if they are losers like people claim then to be, then there is no way that beating then would make someone seem powerful, so again..

Yes, i am talking about Alliance forces. From 7th Legion and Ivarr's worgen to humans, dwarves and basically most of Alliance races aside from perhaps Draenei.

Forsaken were not just defending too, they kicked humans out of most bordering locations. Kicked Scarletts out pretty much (few remains were later finished by DKs) and dealt with every single enemy in their land in a rather convincing fashion.

and the forsaken had horde support as well, the thing is, up there north the alliance was already basically ended by the scourge, the human bastion is Stormwind now, they(blizzard) don't care about other, any complaints you have in this matter should be deliver to blizzard about the alliance itself, not the horde

Its not horde fault that blizzard is butchering both factions and the lore as a whole trying to say the horde have a green grass, when isn't true, or demanding that they lose more isn't going to fix things, the core problem still remains

[geco]

If that was possible i bet most would have left after Cata already, but sadly there is no "fuck you Anduin go try to peace talk an axe coming for your head" and leave option. Aside from quitting the game which i did and cancelled the sub back in 8.1.

Left spit in the face after he named Hero who planned the accession to Teldrazzil.

[VladlTutushkin]

You wish it was just the orcs, but again, your "constantly curb-stomped" only happened in cataclysm and ended up with alliance victory, so i still don't know why this massive outcry about it "constantly", we literally have the event of pre-vanila(who set up the place as a constested zone with the BG) cataclysm(alliance victory) and now

And if they are losers like people claim then to be, then there is no way that beating then would make someone seem powerful, so again..



and the forsaken had horde support as well, the thing is, up there north the alliance was already basically ended by the scourge, the human bastion is Stormwind now, they(blizzard) don't care about other, any complaints you have in this matter should be deliver to blizzard about the alliance itself, not the horde

Its not horde fault that blizzard is butchering both factions and the lore as a whole trying to say the horde have a green grass, when isn't true, or demanding that they lose more isn't going to fix things, the core problem still remains

On that note - horde’s help was intentionally presented as laughably small and incompetent. Check out Silverpine quests where drunken orc sailors literally die four quests after you meet them and even admit that they are a token force that cant do anything other then lok’tar ogar to their death and be done with it.

So yes - ONE RACE VS “entire Alliance” and they also had to deal with Scarletts, Scourge and neutral threats and they WON.

[Soon-TM]

So yes - ONE RACE VS “entire Alliance” and they also had to deal with Scarletts, Scourge and neutral threats and they WON.

It isn't Forsaken vs "entire Alliance", though. First, the Alliance reinforcements appear way late into the Silverpine questing, and it consists mostly of 7th Legion troops, which at the time were basically Humans with a token presence of Dwarves. Second, the Ally fleet is severely damaged by the Cataclysm, as one may see in the Worgen starting zone. And third, the Forsaken were at the height of their power during Cata, with Sylv's Valkyrs rezzing people 24/7.

Even so, the Worgen alone resisted successfully the Forsaken (plus the token Orc force) offensive, until they were overwhelmed by Forsaken blight and sheer number superiority.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

On that note - horde’s help was intentionally presented as laughably small and incompetent. Check out Silverpine quests where drunken orc sailors literally die four quests after you meet them and even admit that they are a token force that cant do anything other then lok’tar ogar to their death and be done with it.

So yes - ONE RACE VS “entire Alliance” and they also had to deal with Scarletts, Scourge and neutral threats and they WON.

It wants the entire alliance the quest them selfs say they only sent some night elf and dwarf support as humans could be raised and the rest was all worgen.

[VladlTutushkin]

It wants the entire alliance the quest them selfs say they only sent some night elf and dwarf support as humans could be raised and the rest was all worgen.

Predominantly human armies were coming from the South though to Andorhal and also got entirely wiped. Not to mention total wipeout of Hillsbrad.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Predominantly human armies were coming from the South though to Andorhal and also got entirely wiped. Not to mention total wipeout of Hillsbrad.

There’s no reason to think the forces that went to Andorhal went through silverpine when they say that the alliance isn’t sending any humans to the zone because they can be turned, also if I remember right he alliance forces in the plague lands were abunch o farmers not even an actual army.

Hillsbrad also wasn’t just the forsaken they had heavy frost wolf and other support.