Where is Nathanos? still no news of him in 9.1

[Dartz1979]

i just am sick of losing my waifus cause who wants to look at amale charatcer lore character if im gonna play a game all day.

[Soon-TM]

The problem is not that they are human. They are the boring version of medieval humans.
Dragon age. LOL. Warhammer TW. It has several versions of humans all interesting.
Where the most "boring" has a political and noble mess that has more lore than the entire Alliance.

I mean, WoW doesn't have generic humans. Somehow WoW has a human that is even more generic than the generic Human.

Hell, even the WC2 or 3 Humans are FAR more interesting than the bland Fantasy Kingdom #4324598211 they are in WoW, especially after Anime King took office.

[Maxilian]

In summary. It's not that Nathanos is a good character, it's that we lack renegade characters.

PS: I think even that renegade that appears in BFA that he wanted to defend his family from him and that Nathanos kills him. He was more popular than Nathanos himself

I do agree that we lack Forsaken characters, and yes, I wouldn't say that Nathanos is a good character, i wouldn't say he's outright bad or anything of that sorts either, he's.... easy to hate.

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Pretty spot on, with Varian as the biggest WoW-exception to this rule. He went out like a G.




(Of course now I've said that....he'll be revived.)

Yeah, he was hated at the start, then became a loved character, so... Nathanos still got a chance :P

[geco]

I do agree that we lack Forsaken characters, and yes, I wouldn't say that Nathanos is a good character, i wouldn't say he's outright bad or anything of that sorts either, he's.... easy to hate.

The thing with Nathanos is that he was born dead XD.
He had two possible endings o He took the place of Sylvanas and was hated for taking the place of Sylvanas.
Or he's a guy that we know from minute 1 that we have to kill and they force us to work with him until they let us kill him.

Maybe if it had been another expansion you would have had time to win the affection of the fans or at least gain depth.

[Maxilian]

Maybe if it had been another expansion you would have had time to win the affection of the fans or at least gain depth.

So... like Varian?

[Ohvul]

Which covenant would he most likely be apart of? Maybe somewhere in bastion he'll turn about

[sam86]

pillow hugging?
he made a joke about his novel in his private twitter. a nerd did what obsessed nerd do and took that tweet out of context on reddit/imgur and blown up a tons of bullshit. someone reported that here in mmochamp and that myth started..

someone took that pic and posted it on imgur, it wasn't a joke or talk on twitter...

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I mean, WoW doesn't have generic humans. Somehow WoW has a human that is even more generic than the generic Human.

i disagree with lol, don't know dragon age, but i know enough about warhammer to agree yes there are more interesting humans
wow had that, but shoved it aside, scarlet crusade are too minor to be anything, stormwind inner fight is over, and entire alliance decided to follow the worst (or 2nd worst) race to lead them, who magically have amazing leadership
in old lore Deathwing decided to disguise as human because they are the easiest race to corrupt, now seems nelf are easier to corrupt with all emerald nightmare bullshit
wow needs to revert back to classic/tbc or at worst wrath humans, current wow humans are the worst version since ever

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Hell, even the WC2 or 3 Humans are FAR more interesting than the bland Fantasy Kingdom #4324598211 they are in WoW, especially after Anime King took office.

yeah i remember alliance many inner fights, how Lothar was a strong leader even if he wasn't king, and Alterac betrayal, Khadgar aging and Medivh betrayal, not to mention wc2 had many fantasy races not just humans if that counts
wc3 lore is the best in warcraft history, i'd even go as far as call it 2nd best game lore ever after Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines imo, anything that appeared in wc3 is its best version than anywhere else

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i just am sick of losing my waifus cause who wants to look at amale charatcer lore character if im gonna play a game all day.

well i do want a replacement for Sylvannas, i remember patching her abdomen to appear even more ugly because rise of woke movement, heck Mei-Lin the mage from diablo wears more clothes and looks way better than leather-mid-patched Sylvannas
tldr: waiting for next goth chick too, and this time i hope she actually has personality not discover she has tits after 20 years in warcraft

[Super Dickmann]

The thing with Nathanos is that he was born dead XD.
He had two possible endings o He took the place of Sylvanas and was hated for taking the place of Sylvanas.
Or he's a guy that we know from minute 1 that we have to kill and they force us to work with him until they let us kill him.

Maybe if it had been another expansion you would have had time to win the affection of the fans or at least gain depth.

Nathanos didn't need more time, he needed a better use of it. He has an inordinate amount of screentime for what ended up being not even the main antagonist number 2, but the number 2's number 2. It's not that the character can't have more depth or didn't have the chance to - he does in all external media, it's that the writers stubbornly kept him one note except for a few lines here and there, put him absolutely everywhere and then did nothing with those appearances. You could cut every time he featured in BFA and then have him pop up in the prepatch and you'd know just as much about his character as you did starting out. Hell, the character would even make more sense, because then you wouldn't have moments like his shock at Teldrassil, his expectation for a peaceful resolution of the war in 8.1, his Horde loyalty in Darkshore and his praise of the player in the loyalist questline that threaten to give his in-game rendition some more nuance. It's almost impressive in how much of a waste of time it was.

[Narzok]

Nathanos didn't need more time, he needed a better use of it. He has an inordinate amount of screentime for what ended up being not even the main antagonist number 2, but the number 2's number 2. It's not that the character can't have more depth or didn't have the chance to - he does in all external media, it's that the writers stubbornly kept him one note except for a few lines here and there, put him absolutely everywhere and then did nothing with those appearances. You could cut every time he featured in BFA and then have him pop up in the prepatch and you'd know just as much about his character as you did starting out. Hell, the character would even make more sense, because then you wouldn't have moments like his shock at Teldrassil, his expectation for a peaceful resolution of the war in 8.1, his Horde loyalty in Darkshore and his praise of the player in the loyalist questline that threaten to give his in-game rendition some more nuance. It's almost impressive in how much of a waste of time it was.

i feel like the bolded part is a problem all leader NPCs outside of "the one we want to promote for the story right now" have.
unless they are involed in the current events, they just do nothing that would establish their personality.

look at Voljin as an example: most useless warchief of all times. sits in warspear for the majority of his career. and when the plot demands it, he gets shanked by Random Fellguard Number 7.
he had more value as a plot device dying to a noname grunt than he had during his entire career as warchief.

[geco]

Nathanos didn't need more time, he needed a better use of it. He has an inordinate amount of screentime for what ended up being not even the main antagonist number 2, but the number 2's number 2. It's not that the character can't have more depth or didn't have the chance to - he does in all external media, it's that the writers stubbornly kept him one note except for a few lines here and there, put him absolutely everywhere and then did nothing with those appearances. You could cut every time he featured in BFA and then have him pop up in the prepatch and you'd know just as much about his character as you did starting out. Hell, the character would even make more sense, because then you wouldn't have moments like his shock at Teldrassil, his expectation for a peaceful resolution of the war in 8.1, his Horde loyalty in Darkshore and his praise of the player in the loyalist questline that threaten to give his in-game rendition some more nuance. It's almost impressive in how much of a waste of time it was.

Yes sorry translation error. I mean if it had been in another expansion.

So... like Varian?

Of course, imagine that Varian had come just to take the place away from Jaina or to accompany Jaina as she suddenly turns 100% evil and we lose the character.

With that Varian there was no way to introduce him.
(What's more, that's another of the things why so many Anduin annoys them. He's a bad Jaina at best)

[Makorus]

He isn't (wasn't) badly written because of not sucking the players' privates, but rather because he was nothing but Danuser's self-insert.

People spout that shit all the time, but without resorting to the Twitter posts, how is he a self-insert?

[geco]

People spout that shit all the time, but without resorting to the Twitter posts, how is he a self-insert?

Because his concept of being a pj that comes out of nowhere and suddenly is very important in the story and it was always supposed to be there.
Is he very similar to Jarold, the Illidari from the novel Illidian, Ronin, and other characters who are usually self-inserted?


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PD: And he don't die when you're supposed to.

[Soon-TM]

People spout that shit all the time, but without resorting to the Twitter posts, how is he a self-insert?

I was going to answer you, but I just saw that @geco already did. So there you go.

[Makorus]

Because his concept of being a pj that comes out of nowhere and suddenly is very important in the story and it was always supposed to be there.
Is he very similar to Jarold, the Illidari from the novel Illidian, Ronin, and other characters who are usually self-inserted?


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PD: And he don't die when you're supposed to.

I was going to answer you, but I just saw that @geco already did. So there you go.

So Rokhan is a self-insert, Saurfang is a self-insert, Liadrin is a self-insert, Shandris is a self-insert? Damn, they got a lot of self-inserts.

All of those characters existed beforehand, just like Nathanos did (He did show up in novels, in Vanilla and in Cata, which I would say is just as much, if not more screentime than Rokhan or Shandris got), before suddenly being thrust into random relevancy.

Just admit it. You hate him because the Danuser wrote three cringy tweets. He is not a "self-insert", he is just a two-dimensional, mediocre WoW character just like any other WoW character. He is literally just an undead version of Matthias Shaw. Is Matthias Shaw a self-insert?

I mean, if you wanna talk genuine self-insert, there's Thrall. Nothing about Nathanos screams self-insert.

And yes, he doesn't die, just like no character is truly dead in WoW. I mean, even characters we kill in Shadowlands are gonna come back./

[geco]

So Rokhan is a self-insert, Saurfang is a self-insert, Liadrin is a self-insert, Shandris is a self-insert? Damn, they got a lot of self-inserts.

All of those characters existed beforehand, just like Nathanos did (He did show up in novels, in Vanilla and in Cata, which I would say is just as much, if not more screentime than Rokhan or Shandris got), before suddenly being thrust into random relevancy.

Just admit it. You hate him because the Danuser wrote three cringy tweets. He is not a "self-insert", he is just a two-dimensional, mediocre WoW character just like any other WoW character. He is literally just an undead version of Matthias Shaw. Is Matthias Shaw a self-insert?

I mean, if you wanna talk genuine self-insert, there's Thrall. Nothing about Nathanos screams self-insert.

And yes, he doesn't die, just like no character is truly dead in WoW. I mean, even characters we kill in Shadowlands are gonna come back./

mmm you read only one of my points and based on that you answered. If everyone is there. but no one jumps suddenly and for no reason to the level of Nathanos.

Shandris, Rokacn, and Liandri suddenly never had a ton of camera time and are suddenly a "Dread Enemy Down". Can you imagine that some of those three peel Trall or Jaina? I do not.
Everyone is still at their story level.

Varock meets all the points. But it is just a forced message that "I am the real horde this story is great."


PS: What novels does Nathanos appear in?
Ps2: a pj suddenly who has a Waifu only that the Waifu never had a lover. He sounds like "Evil Jarold" all over the place.
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Ps 3: By "don't die" I mean it was clear that he had to "lose" against Tyrande on the dark shore, to demonstrate "the power of Elune". But by being someone's pet he was saved.
Just like Jarold had to die at the hands of Illidian because Maiev has no family. But by being someone's pet he was saved. Although Maiev still has no family.

[Soon-TM]

So Rokhan is a self-insert, Saurfang is a self-insert, Liadrin is a self-insert, Shandris is a self-insert? Damn, they got a lot of self-inserts.

Warcraft is full of self-inserts, but not a single one of the characters you mentioned is. You could have gone instead with Rhonin, Jaina, Anduin or even !@#$ing Thrall instead, but you got all your examples wrong ROFL

[cparle87]

Wasn't we (once again) forced to kill one of our own (Nathan's), back in the very end of BfA where he became a world boss?

Blizzard seems intend on killing off the interresting Horde NPCs and leave the flavourless alive, while the let all the Alliance NPCs who have had their demise comming for 10+ years remain alive.

Quick correction. Alliance npcs don't die, they become neutral. IE Khadgar, Magni.

[GreenJesus]

I loved Nathanos because he showed how fragile the fanbase is.

Oh, a character who doesn't suck the players dick. He is "badly written".

There's a difference between sucking up and just being ignorant. We killed a titan and all he accomplished was being Sylvanus boy toy. Yet he treats us like we are dirt to his boots. All he can do is shoot a bow.

[Otrew]

nathanos is so a cartoonist villain. still deserves to be a middle raid boss, would be so happy if i coulad kill him after 100 wipes.

[DazManianDevil]

Well.... We still have Bwonsamdi right?

This sentiment helps me sleep at night. Since we first saw him in the Cata pre-patch event til now, Bwonsamdi is best husbando.