I trust Jupiter more.
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Yeah... So anyway...
In relation to rebuilding:
Palestinian officials on Friday said it would cost $100m to rebuild the damage to industry, power and agriculture in the already impoverished territory struggling under a devastating 14-year blockade.
Innit. That’s some 10/10 propaganda he’s spouting. ‘Arab countries execute people who don’t follow their narrative’. Meanwhile, the Israeli Government is committing war crimes because they want to ethnically cleansed Arabs from land that the Israeli Government stole...
I do not really agree with you. They breed each other nowadays. But when Fatah was in power in Gaza, two state solution was nearing, why did the Hamas had to kill them and expect Israel to be ok with it ?
I think Hamas should do what it needs to be done to stop being seen as terrorists like the IRA did. They stepped down from the armed fight and went into politics.
Thanks for mentioning the IRA I forgot the three big returns of land that the Israeli Government needs to support
- Give Scotland back to the Scottish
- Give Northern Ireland back to the Irish
- Give Wales back to the Welsh
But we know that won't happen. You're right, though. Hamas should become a proper political party and then use political rhetoric to bomb their enemies...just like Netanyahu's Government. Then no one will complain about them doing what 'needs to be done', right?
Everything is in that Wikipedia link I gave you not my fault you are at Trumpist levels of denial.
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Hamas won an election because of US-Israeli meddling in the process, they were democratically elected to power. I am not justifying the violence afterwards but they still continue to have the support of their people just like the terrorist organization known as the Israeli government. They are two sides of the same coin feeding off each other using different means to justify what they do.
Is it ok to say that both sides have legit grievances and both sides have done bad things?
"When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown
"When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown
Absolutely, but it's hard not to recognise the reality; that at present, one side is being oppressed by the other.
An Israeli historian by the name of Ilan Pappé put it perfectly in the context of Western society. I'll paraphrase.
'Imagine if you've a piece of land in Arizona or a mansion in England and the native American or descendant of the original family came to you and said, this land belongs to me from millennia past. I have a gun, I will shoot you if you don't leave and/or the courts are rigged in my favour'.
Ultimately, the Israeli Government has always pushed this notion of the Israeli people being 'masters of their own destiny'. But why is that destiny at the cost of someone else's? It's also frustrating because the British have a track record of doing what they did in Palestine. Same thing with India.
They drew the Radcliffe lines and then literally left the Indian and Pakistani families to duke it out.
Same situation that happened in 1948 happened a year before. Divide. Conquer. Fund one side over the other. Watch fireworks.
*shrug* i just find it funny that people are so quick to call out isreal with nary a peep about their own thefts of land.
"ahhh well its been X amount of years, what can you do..."
wonder what would happen if any native people were to try and... do something about it though.
That's kinda the point I was making? It's impossible to claim that the Israelis have right over land from 2500 years ago whilst simultaneously stealing all of America, New Zealand, Australia, Polynesian Islands etc etc. Easier solution is...don't subjugate Palestinians. OR, give every single family displaced over the last 80 years reparations. Use that awesome military funding received year on year, to support relocation.
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Yeah, obviously. But the point I'm making is that there's no give even, is there? It's just 'yep, this is our land, fuck off'.
It's out and out theft. And this has NOTHING to do with Judaism or Jewish ethnicity. It's a pure, out and out, political ideology.
It's like every other form of nationalism. It has nothing to do with religious or racial identity.
i'm not really sure its possible to entirely separate those in this conflict as the founding of the country was for the sake of those things.
speaking on behalf of my own ancestors history, i don't think its ever going to resolve until one side crushes the other sufficiently.
we would have never given up anything to invaders, no matter their peaceful intention if we could have still fought. and they're never going to give it back no matter how much they clutch pearls over "genocide".
i can empathize with both sides, and i wish maybe they could work it out.
We’re in the modern era. Land need not be obtained through conquest. Furthermore, the creation of Israel was a purely 20th Century idea. Zionism is a 20th century idea. It’s not rooted in the origins of Judaism at all. It’s a new concept and not a good one. Fully supporting a home for Israelis should not involve forcibly removing people from a land.