Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Cthulhu 2020]

its literally been passed in like 18 other states

Sounds like 18 states need to repeal it then.

[Roxinius]

Sounds like 18 states need to repeal it then.

why? what other constitutional right do you have to pay a fee to exercise?

[Edge-]

why? what other constitutional right do you have to pay a fee to exercise?

Many public gatherings/protests, expressions of the First Amendment, are regulated, restricted, or require permitting from the city/county that costs money.

Wealth helps with either creating a speedy trial or drawing out proceedings in the case of the Sixth.

You're likely going to need a lawyer for the Seventh, so that's a cost. Unless you represent yourself with no legal knowledge.

The Eighth is literally all about money and paying for bail.

Y'all keep acting like Constitutional Rights, at least the Second Amendment specifically, are blanket rights that are not subject to any limitations or requirements. Despite the fact that there's a long history disproving that across multiple Amendments, with frequent restrictions, exceptions, or legal backing of fees etc.

The Sixteenth is literally giving Congress the power to levy taxes. Not quite a "right" for the people, but a right for Congress that affects the people.

[Roxinius]

Many public gatherings/protests, expressions of the First Amendment, are regulated, restricted, or require permitting from the city/county that costs money.

Wealth helps with either creating a speedy trial or drawing out proceedings in the case of the Sixth.

You're likely going to need a lawyer for the Seventh, so that's a cost. Unless you represent yourself with no legal knowledge.

The Eighth is literally all about money and paying for bail.

Y'all keep acting like Constitutional Rights, at least the Second Amendment specifically, are blanket rights that are not subject to any limitations or requirements. Despite the fact that there's a long history disproving that across multiple Amendments, with frequent restrictions, exceptions, or legal backing of fees etc.

The Sixteenth is literally giving Congress the power to levy taxes. Not quite a "right" for the people, but a right for Congress that affects the people.

ok i'll put it like this why should i have to pay a fee to pass another background check after passing one to buy the firearm because that is all a concealed carry permit is another background check

[Edge-]

ok i'll put it like this why should i have to pay a fee to pass another background check after passing one to buy the firearm because that is all a concealed carry permit is another background check

How do we know you (this is all the "royal you", not you specifically) passed a background check? Did you get the gun from a friend/relative? Did you buy the gun privately without the need for a background check? What assurances do we have as members of the public that you have any knowledge of the actual safe handling and use of the firearm you want to carry in public? How do we know the gun that may be improperly tucked in your waste band is you expressing your Second Amendment right and not say, you concealing a weapon you intend to use for a crime?

[cubby]

ok i'll put it like this why should i have to pay a fee to pass another background check after passing one to buy the firearm because that is all a concealed carry permit is another background check

Because nothing ever happens after you pass one background check, right?

If you buy the firearm AND apply for the concealed carry permit at the same time, I could see the one background check counting for both items.

[Edge-]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pol...ia-2021-05-26/

Another mass shooting, 8 dead at a trainyard in San Jose CA, including the shooter who apparently had explosive devices (at least one). No details, and seems likely to be a disgruntled employee. I'm glad we're back to our regularly scheduled mass shootings as we exit the pandemic /s

[TigTone]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pol...ia-2021-05-26/

Another mass shooting, 8 dead at a trainyard in San Jose CA, including the shooter who apparently had explosive devices (at least one). No details, and seems likely to be a disgruntled employee. I'm glad we're back to our regularly scheduled mass shootings as we exit the pandemic /s

Shooter is Samuel Cassidy, described as a loner by coworker and public records show he made about $100,000 a year. Why would he be disgruntled who knows.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ktv...ail-gunman.amp

[Easo]

Looks like Greg Abbott might be signing a bill soon that would allow Texans to carry firearms without a license. Man, what's next, letting 10 year olds without licenses drive cars?

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05...s-legislature/

Well regulated militia, surely. Reading here that 1/3 of the country has similar laws I can only question the reality of that statement.

[Zan15]

why? what other constitutional right do you have to pay a fee to exercise?

umm every state that requires ID to vote, you have to pay a fee to get that ID.

[Mayhem]

umm every state that requires ID to vote, you have to pay a fee to get that ID.

Damn socialist gun-enthusiasts, they want everything for free!

/s

[Spectral]

umm every state that requires ID to vote, you have to pay a fee to get that ID.

Which state requires voter IDs but does not offer a free ID card?

[ghotihook]

umm every state that requires ID to vote, you have to pay a fee to get that ID.

That's not true. Most if not all strict voter ID states allow you to get the IDs for free.

[Draco-Onis]

That's not true. Most if not all strict voter ID states allow you to get the IDs for free.

false even when it is free you have to pay for documentation to get it. The common forms of id are not free, not to mention Republicans have actively cut funding so there are fewer sites who have hours not convenient if you have a regular job.

The whole point is to stop poor people from voting. It's no secret because Republicans openly brag about stopping the vote to win

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why? what other constitutional right do you have to pay a fee to exercise?

If you can't afford the fee, how can you afford a gun? By that logic shouldn't the gun be free too?

[uuuhname]

lol, no one bats an eye at the government knowing where and how many cars you have in your possession. why this can't apply to guns is nothing but a feels over reals argument.

[Draco-Onis]

lol, no one bats an eye at the government knowing where and how many cars you have in your possession. why this can't apply to guns is nothing but a feels over reals argument.

The car you drive, where you live, how much you make, how many people in your house, your criminal record but oh noes MA GUN TO FAR!!!

[Endus]

The car you drive, where you live, how much you make, how many people in your house, your criminal record but oh noes MA GUN TO FAR!!!

"You can't ask me to register mah gun! I have a right to PRIVACY" types the idiot, on a cell phone that is collecting metadata and locational data and aggregating all that information to sell to advertisers who will notice you visited your mom, and your mom buys a different toothpaste than you, so maybe if you see ads for your mom's toothpaste brand, you'll consider switching to her brand.

Shit your phones actively do all the time, I'll note. They don't even have to listen in and process language; they have access to locational data for you and other phones and purchase histories with partners like Amazon or Visa or your bank and can extrapolate connections between all of that just fine.

But sure; whine that the government knows you own a gun. Makes total sense to loudly complain about that through Facebook and on Twitter from your portable wiretap and aggregator device.

[Edge-]

"You can't ask me to register mah gun! I have a right to PRIVACY" types the idiot, on a cell phone that is collecting metadata and locational data and aggregating all that information to sell to advertisers who will notice you visited your mom, and your mom buys a different toothpaste than you, so maybe if you see ads for your mom's toothpaste brand, you'll consider switching to her brand.

Shit your phones actively do all the time, I'll note. They don't even have to listen in and process language; they have access to locational data for you and other phones and purchase histories with partners like Amazon or Visa or your bank and can extrapolate connections between all of that just fine.

But sure; whine that the government knows you own a gun. Makes total sense to loudly complain about that through Facebook and on Twitter from your portable wiretap and aggregator device.

"What's next, is the government going to give me an identification number!" said someone who occasionally forgets that they have a social security number given to them at birth or when naturalized by the government.

[ghotihook]

false even when it is free you have to pay for documentation to get it. The common forms of id are not free, not to mention Republicans have actively cut funding so there are fewer sites who have hours not convenient if you have a regular job.

The whole point is to stop poor people from voting. It's no secret because Republicans openly brag about stopping the vote to win

You MIGHT have to pay for a documents like a birth certificate but the identification depends on the state.
States like Tennessee who has some of the strictest voting ID requirements. You can bring this to get a FREE ID

Under the new voter ID law, in order to get a photo ID for voting purposes, voters must show the following documentation to a Driver Service Center examiner:
Proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate); and
Two proofs of Tennessee residency (such as a copy of a utility bill, vehicle registration/title, or bank statement).

Literally a checking/saving/credit cards, pretty much anything that has your name on it.

[Edge-]

Literally a checking/saving/credit cards, pretty much anything that has your name on it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/19/7poi...last-year.html

Not super helpful with 7M+ Americans not even having a bank account.

https://www.fool.com/credit-cards/20...redit-card-her

And 28% of Americans not having credit cards.

These are things that people in poverty are less likely to have, which is one of the reasons why these ID laws are designed this way. But that's a topic for another thread.