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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by OwenBurton View Post
    In essence, [B]Alleria becomes Valeera Sanguinar 2.0.
    So she becomes Someone Else 2.0 instead of her own character? No thanks.

    People can complain about Void Elves all they want, the fact is that Alleria is one of the most independent characters in the game. Bad writers would have turned her into a generic Horde sympathizer or worthless housewife. Good writers have turned her into an independent woman who pushes the discovery of the Void onward and is not afraid to carve her own path in the cosmos.

    Joining the Horde would mean that she'd have to give up her interests in the Void. And as Alleria is an independent woman, she refuses to do that. There is nothing wrong with that. The Blood elves don't get to dictate who Alleria is or can't be.
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    People can complain about Void Elves all they want, the fact is that Alleria is one of the most independent characters in the game. Bad writers would have turned her into a generic Horde sympathizer or worthless housewife. Good writers have turned her into an independent woman who pushes the discovery of the Void onward and is not afraid to carve her own path in the cosmos.
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    The problem is that Blizzard despises Alleria, she's one of the most hated characters by Blizzard, so she's never allowed to show her powers.
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by AwkwardSquirtle View Post
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    Explain Blizzard using Wrathion in 8.3 instead of the Void Elves then. Explain Anduin not even mentioning the Void Elves when looking for advisors to fight N'Zoth the Old God. Explain Alleria not being featured in 9.1 when she clearly said she'd be there to see her sister fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenBurton View Post
    They should have included Liadrin in the Vindicaar with Alleria, when Vereesa was telling her about Sylvanas. Alleria and Liadrin barely acknowledged each other at Silvermoon. Alleria was disgusted at the Forsaken - NOT the blood elves, whom she still views as her people, and she seemed courteous enough with Liadrin and Lor'themar, her old Farstrider friend, in Silvermoon. Why didn't Liadrin engage her? Or other blood elves on the vessel? Alleria was neutral then. This should have been a better scenario:



    Some people believe Alleria could have become a blood elf - a Horde member, perhaps, because of her affection towards Sylvanas. That would have been interesting! Turalyon on the Alliance, fighting to reclaim his homeland Lordaeron from Sylvanas - and Alleria on the Horde, fighting to defend Quel'Thalas once again, and fighting alongside Sylvanas to defend Tirisfal Glades from the Alliance!

    But anyway - Alleria and Liadrin were probably equal before Alleria was empowered by L'ura. Alleria = Markmanship hunter; Liadrin = Retribution paladin. Afterwards, Alleria is likely stronger than Liadrin.
    Alleria was always destined to be Alliance.

    You do know her son and Turalyon are both Alliance members, right ?

    Alleria will fight for Quel'Thalas once again... against the Horde probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Alleria was always destined to be Alliance.

    You do know her son and Turalyon are both Alliance members, right ?

    Alleria will fight for Quel'Thalas once again... against the Horde probably.
    But Alleria's development has been...lacking.
    1. Alleria teleports to Lordaeron; she fights Lor'themar and Nathanos, but is apparently unable to seriously harm either; she declares she regrets not killing Sylvanas, but seemed unaware of Sylvanas's trap was unable to portal them out before Jaina did, nor was she able to take out or prevent her sister from fleeing.
    2. She stayed on the Kul Tiran vessel, but offers little active support to the Alliance players; she is not present at either warfront, and her only direct contribution to the War Campaign mission was not a success, as Gallywix managed to escape her void elves.
    3. Alleria appears at Orgrimmar with Vereesa, but neither of them actively fight the Horde forces, nor are they seen in the cinematic, nor is Alleria apparently able to capture her as in Lordaeron.
    4. Alleria appeared in the novel, but she failed (once again) to capture Sylvanas - nor did she appear again after Jaina dissuaded her from pursuing Sylvanas.
    5. She does not really appear in the newest expansion - she is calmly staying by Turalyon's side, hardly the action of a "strong and independent woman" necessarily, rather than continuing to hunt down her sister, despite her possessing the only power possibly capable of countering Death.

    My point is - Alleria currently is a waste of potential; there should have been something more complicated regarding her return; perhaps she should have been neutral at least initially in the Unseen Path, or perhaps she could have joined Sylvanas in the Undercity for at least several patches, before becoming disillusioned by her sister's actions, and turning against her with the rest of the Alliance and the Horde. Remember, Sylvanas and Alleria's reunion was very...brief and very harsh; Alleria was one of the few things that stirred Sylvanas's heart, but after several hours, they simply abandoned their necklaces at the spire and went their separate ways. Alleria is not an entirely rational person - or rather, she is...far too emotional and sentimental, but perhaps not in a weak way. Her short story mentioned joy filling her heart as she watched Arator reaching for her statue in Stormwind, and how pride filled her as she watched Sylvanas standing there as well, Ranger-General of Silvermoon. She loves her family.

    Perhaps Alleria would have joined Sylvanas for Arator - because she believed that as long as she fought with Sylvanas, her sister would have little reason to target or harm her only son; I'm surprised Sylvanas didn't abduct Arator, knowing that he was her sister's only weakness and vulnerability. Perhaps Alleria would have wanted to "change" Sylvanas - perhaps she believed being by Sylvanas's side would keep more stable or balanced, or perhaps Alleria believes that in her close position to Sylvanas, that she could influence Sylvanas to change her ways, or somehow benefit Alleria's personal interests.

    Alleria understands the connections between threads binding fate and destiny - perhaps in one of thousands of visions, her joining the Horde (temporarily or otherwise) is necessary for Azeroth to survive, or to avert some other massive calamity?

    Besides, the Farstriders are Horde - and they were her rangers, her comrades and her people; she probably still respects Lor'themar and Halduron, despite everything - perhaps why most of Quel'Thalas joined the Horde is also illogical to some people, and yet most high elves did eventually join the Horde...after a fashion.

    And many people before Battle for Azeroth DID assume they would likely be neutral, or at least one of them would be neutral / Horde-leaning, even a moderate stated that he felt that it was unlikely they would involve themselves in the faction conflict.

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Between/page21
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...he-Horde/page9

    The greatest strength and weakness of all three Windrunner sisters is not that they feel nothing - it is that they all feel too much, deep down inside, for each other AND for their families (both their blood family and their adopted ones), and have done terrible things to preserve those they love. Sylvanas wanted to kill her sisters, not because she wanted to relish their pain - but because she thought life was the real prison, the real suffering and torment, which she wanted to release them from, and so they could be in death what they would never again be in life - a reunited family. Even the Three Sisters interview mentioned that - they ALL wanted to preserve their families in different ways, whatever the cost, no matter what it took.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenBurton View Post
    But Alleria's development has been...lacking.
    1. Alleria teleports to Lordaeron; she fights Lor'themar and Nathanos, but is apparently unable to seriously harm either; she declares she regrets not killing Sylvanas, but seemed unaware of Sylvanas's trap was unable to portal them out before Jaina did, nor was she able to take out or prevent her sister from fleeing.
    It's not that she was unable to harm them, it's that she wasn't allowed to. Someone with the power of a Dark Naaru would easily annihilate a simple undead ranger or a simple elf ranger. It's also the same reason why she didn't just shoot an arrow in Sylvanas' brain once she uttered "you've won nothing" to Anduin: Plot. And she was the first person in the room to notice that something was off, Blizzard even added a small detail in the cinematic where Alleria turns her head when she hears something coming from beyond the walls (the Blight).

    2. She stayed on the Kul Tiran vessel, but offers little active support to the Alliance players; she is not present at either warfront, and her only direct contribution to the War Campaign mission was not a success, as Gallywix managed to escape her void elves.
    1) Blizzard hates her.

    2) The Alliance would have lost the war at Lordaeron if it wasn't for Alleria teleporting her army and Gelbin's in to save Anduin and his forces. So the Alliance wouldn't have even gotten to Kul Tiras if it wasn't for Alleria's contribution to the war.

    3. Alleria appears at Orgrimmar with Vereesa, but neither of them actively fight the Horde forces, nor are they seen in the cinematic, nor is Alleria apparently able to capture her as in Lordaeron.
    Isn't it said that she and Vereesa were fighting on the Azshara front? Either way Orgrimmar has 3 gates and the forces had to be split. Greymane also didn't appear because he was seen fighting in the Ashenvale gate. So it's not hard to headcanon that Alleria and her sister were simply fighting on the Azshara gate at the time the duel took place.

    4. Alleria appeared in the novel, but she failed (once again) to capture Sylvanas - nor did she appear again after Jaina dissuaded her from pursuing Sylvanas.
    Yes, because Blizzard adores Sylvanas while they hate Alleria. That's also the reason why she didn't just shoot an arrow in Sylvanas' head at Lordaeron, as I was telling you.
    5. She does not really appear in the newest expansion - she is staying by Turalyon's side, rather than continuing to hunt down her sister, despite her possessing the only power possibly capable of countering Death.
    She even said that she'd be there to see Sylvanas fall.

    But again... Blizzard simply hates Alleria and can't be bothered to feature her.

    Talk about a thread that aged like wine. How could people think that Alleria wouldn't join the Alliance when 99% of her remaining family are Alliance?
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  7. #27
    Alleria's probably much stronger, but Liadrin is much more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fairfang View Post
    I just found it interesting that Alleria absorbed the powers of a Void Naaru, while Liadrin siphons the holy energies of a Naaru.

    What if these 2 we're to fight?
    Alleria is dumb enough, we don't need to mirror her in any way or shape. Furthermore, all three Windrunner gals are a crazy psychotic bunch, so I can't wait to get rid of at least one.
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  9. #29
    Alleria has a thousand years' worth of war experience over Liadrin.
    Last edited by Razion; 2021-05-30 at 05:32 AM.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Razion View Post
    Alleria has 10k years of war experience over Liadrin.
    Around 4k.
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    They had no prior build-up and instead tried to leech off of already established things people are familiar with. The Scourge? Maldraxxus did that. The Lich King? The Jailer did that. Frostmourne? The Runecarver made that. Sargeras corruption by demons and everything resulting from that? Also the Jailer's plan.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by DemonHunter18 View Post
    Around 4k.
    Alleria left around the time the Dark Portal closed, the Second War.
    According to the novel, it was a thousand years, not ten thousand. My bad.
    Last edited by Razion; 2021-05-30 at 05:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razion View Post
    Alleria left around the time the Dark Portal closed, the Second War.
    According to the novel, it was a thousand years, not ten thousand. My bad.
    Add another 3k by the time she left and you get 4k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    They had no prior build-up and instead tried to leech off of already established things people are familiar with. The Scourge? Maldraxxus did that. The Lich King? The Jailer did that. Frostmourne? The Runecarver made that. Sargeras corruption by demons and everything resulting from that? Also the Jailer's plan.

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    There is a difference between drawing on the power of something (the Holy Light, a Sunwell infused with the Holy Light) and actually becoming infused yourself with something (a Void Naaru).


    Then again, drawing upon the power of something in order to utilize does require taking it into yourself... so the difference may not be that much.

  14. #34
    Both could just kill each other tbh, two of the cringiest characters in a game and written so badly that even Blizz has no idea what to do with them now.

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    As much as I don't want to admit it since I am really not a fan of the direction Blizz went with Alleria and the whole creation of the wicked Void elves... Yes, Alleria is absolutely more powerful than Lady Liadrin. Liadrin's faith in the light could give her the upper hand on a day when Alleria is struggling to stay in control though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintminya View Post
    As much as I don't want to admit it since I am really not a fan of the direction Blizz went with Alleria and the whole creation of the wicked Void elves... Yes, Alleria is absolutely more powerful than Lady Liadrin. Liadrin's faith in the light could give her the upper hand on a day when Alleria is struggling to stay in control though.
    personally I think it'd be awesome if Liadrin absorbs a light naaru and becomes an antithesis of Alleria,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    personally I think it'd be awesome if Liadrin absorbs a light naaru and becomes an antithesis of Alleria,
    That would be pretty awesome.

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    alleria is new waifu now that sylvanas isnt gonna be around no more so i support alleria 100%
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    In terms of power level I think Alleria is a bit OP, but thematically wise, it would be amazing to see the Void Elves fight against the Blood Knights and I'd really love if it was a thread they pulled on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    personally I think it'd be awesome if Liadrin absorbs a light naaru and becomes an antithesis of Alleria,
    If only she had her original outlook and disdain for the light, instead of cardboard box paladin.

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