KGB Hijacks Flight to Arrest Journalist.

[Forogil]

Yeah, so somebody who worked with the neo-nazis in Ukraine was arrested while he was also a Belarusian citizen

Having journalist covering the imperialist ambitions of Russia, who are behaving like the Nazis of old, by capturing parts of other countries based on a common language, seems desirable. However, "journalist" seem like a misnomer here - it seems he worked as a war-photographer.

There is a story about Belarussian recruit "Kim" in Donbass fighting for Azov cited, it's just that "Kim" and Prostasevich seem to be different persons.

False accusations of fascism and nazism from the former Soviet Russia (of which Belorussia was a part) is as old as the 1930s (part of the background for 1984 and The Animal Farm); and apart from not being visible earlier (the public case against him for participating in that fighting was opened two days ago) it's not clear what the new alleged neo-Nazism has to do with his earlier kidnapping by the terrorist state Belarus that hijacked a plane between two EU-countries.

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Its Ukrainian.

Close enough, and Google translate says it is Bulgarian.

Russian: Соединенные Социалистические Штаты Америки
Ukrainian: Об'єднані соціалістичні штати Америки
(eastern Slavic languages)
Macedonian: Обединети социјалистички држави на Америка
Bulgarian: Обединени социалистически щати на Америка
(eastern dialects of South group)

[JohnBrown1917]

Hmm... scared? No. Putting an end to the seemingly infinite patience and tolerance towards Russia? Yeah, it's time to put an end to the nonsense. Putin is lying everytime he opens his mouth. Whatever promises or concessions he makes are either going to be ignored later or outweighed by some other bullshit he is doing.

And here you sit, defending a fascist regime, wishing for your commie soviets back and talking all kinds of nonsense to defend what is clearly a breach of international law putting EU citizens in danger. And you somehow have convinced yourself that this is the natural state of things. Belarus abducting an airliner full of EU citizens, completely ignoring several human rights, not to mention sovereignity rights with a cheap scam and then when the EU responds in an appropriate and measured manner, people like you whinge and cry and pretend the EU is the aggressor.

Typical Russian shill. "The fuck bro? Why you hurting my hand by putting your face in the way when I swing it? Godamn, that hurts dude!"

So sick of it. :P

...Im not even defending anything Russia is doing?

The fuck lol

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It's humor:



He's satirizing the situation. The only action he actually calls for is cutting them off from the internet. Again, a position I don't agree with.

Oh is that the excuse.


Its a lousy one. But yeah, i'm clearly a russian shill for opposing it, you somehow are not, strange how that works.

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Close enough, and Google translate says it is Bulgarian.

Russian: Соединенные Социалистические Штаты Америки
Ukrainian: Об'єднані соціалістичні штати Америки
(eastern Slavic languages)
Macedonian: Обединети социјалистички држави на Америка
Bulgarian: Обединени социалистически щати на Америка
(eastern dialects of South group)

Oh right, yeah that was the one. I just took a random non-russian slavic language.
Still laughed my ass off at you fucking up like that. Thank you.

[Ripster42]

Oh is that the excuse.

When someone makes a parody of it, yeah. What did you think the reference to sending an email 20 minutes after the fact was referring to?

[Forogil]

Oh right, yeah that was the one. I just took a random non-russian slavic language.

Bulgaria post-WWII was a vassal state of Soviet Russia (comprised of Russia, Belorussia, and other states), so I don't see a major difference when using "socialist", except that Bulgaria have later gotten wiser and joined NATO and the EU.

However, I still don't see the relevance of your confusion about languages for this hijacking of a plane flying between two EU countries by the Belorussian terrorist state.

[Cringefest]

"Neither history nor bias exist."

I am responding to people for what they're saying in this actual thread. Understanding someone's bias affects how you understand their statements. Saying that the only thing that matters is war



which is what they're implying there, is a position that favors russia. It's the same nonsense we hear about sanctions not affecting russia, when the reality is that russia cares about sanctions so much that it's what they were meeting with don jr about in private before the 2016 election. The person they were responding to wasn't calling for a war with russia, but cutting off internet traffic with russia. While I don't agree with that stance, it's a far cry from war that gilrak immediately threatened.

No, it's a position that favours common sense. Israel just bombed a media building. We did nothing. Sanctioning Russia for something that happened in a different country is just Yankee warmongering nonsense.

[Machismo]

Yeah that makes, erm... sense.

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Is Russia communist?

I never claimed it was, merely pointing you to where his stances lie.

You seemed unaware, so you're welcome for providing you the relevant information!!!

[Ripster42]

No, it's a position that favours common sense. Israel just bombed a media building. We did nothing. Sanctioning Russia for something that happened in a different country is just Yankee warmongering nonsense.

Again, I don't think cutting russia off from the internet is a good idea. It's also not the basis for the war gilrak threatened.

[Easo]

I see this thread is going way off course with full steam.

Two persons were taken, when Belarus hijacked a plane between two EU countries. Neither of the persons kidnapped is proven to be a neo-Nazi - one has been in the Donbas region where the Azov battalion ("neo-Nazis") were operating, but allegedly working as a journalist - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57239521

Just because Belarus and RT calls him a Nazi doesn't make him one.

And for the historically unaware the Donbas war is Russia taking a bite out of Ukraine similarly as when Nazi-Germany took Sudetenland from Czechia; and similarly using the large fraction of Russian-speaking as a pre-text.

To be fair - he might be. I saw couple of photos which really do not paint him as journalist (dude was in full battle gear, with weapons). Could be doctored, sure, could be real as well. The "web war" between Russia and Ukraine reached full retard level from both sides years ago, trust me.
And yet... this does not change the whole kidnapping airplane thing, of course.

[Cringefest]

I see this thread is going way off course with full steam.



To be fair - he might be. I saw couple of photos which really do not paint him as journalist (dude was in full battle gear, with weapons). Could be doctored, sure, could be real as well. The "web war" between Russia and Ukraine reached full retard level from both sides years ago, trust me.
And yet... this does not change the whole kidnapping airplane thing, of course.

There you go Easo, I find myself in total agreement with you. That's the second time already!

[Slant]

No, it's a position that favours common sense. Israel just bombed a media building. We did nothing. Sanctioning Russia for something that happened in a different country is just Yankee warmongering nonsense.

Nobody's talking about sanctioning Russia for something Belarus did. That's just nonsense.

Russia is asking for trouble by being difficult with flight routing, however.

And also, in general it's prolly a good idea to cut Russia off from the internet. Apart from trolls, hackers, viruses, scammers and people that cheat in every single game a Russian has ever played online, I've yet to see anything positive come out of Russia and the internet apart from funny Youtube videos about Russian road rage.

But that would be a great idea regardless of what Belarus did, it's just a good idea in general. Not going to happen, though, because INTERNET and people have no idea how difficult it is to actually wall in an entire country on a network that's designed to be decentralized and quite literally circumvent local outages/blocks.

[Cringefest]

Nobody's talking about sanctioning Russia for something Belarus did. That's just nonsense.

Russia is asking for trouble by being difficult with flight routing, however.

And also, in general it's prolly a good idea to cut Russia off from the internet. Apart from trolls, hackers, viruses, scammers and people that cheat in every single game a Russian has ever played online, I've yet to see anything positive come out of Russia and the internet apart from funny Youtube videos about Russian road rage.

But that would be a great idea regardless of what Belarus did, it's just a good idea in general. Not going to happen, though, because INTERNET and people have no idea how difficult it is to actually wall in an entire country on a network that's designed to be decentralized and quite literally circumvent local outages/blocks.

Yeah no it's a great idea. Surely not an aggressive move at all. Afterall we're European, right? Nothing we do can ever be seen as aggressive.

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Do we think the 3 billion euro bribe to Belarus as a reward for hijacking the passenger plane offered by the EU is enough to set them on the straight and narrow? Isn't it effectively saying naughty naughty Belarus, don't do it again and here's 3bn euro if you don't? Doesn't seem much of a sanction to me, perhaps it's all the EU can do.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tion-democracy

Glad none of that 3bn will come from UK taxpayers.

[Mayhem]

Do we think the 3 billion euro bribe to Belarus as a reward for hijacking the passenger plane offered by the EU is enough to set them on the straight and narrow? Isn't it effectively saying naughty naughty Belarus, don't do it again and here's 3bn euro if you don't? Doesn't seem much of a sanction to me, perhaps it's all the EU can do.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tion-democracy

Glad none of that 3bn will come from UK taxpayers.

So you're against transitioning from a dictatorship to a democracy?

[dribbles]

So you're against transitioning from a dictatorship to a democracy?

Can you buy democracy? Is it for sale to the highest bidder?

That's not the issue. A country brings down an EU passenger plane and the EU offer them 3bn euro for their trouble. If they bring down another do they get a 6bn offer? It's EU sponsored terror and madness.

[Slant]

Do we think the 3 billion euro bribe to Belarus as a reward for hijacking the passenger plane offered by the EU is enough to set them on the straight and narrow? Isn't it effectively saying naughty naughty Belarus, don't do it again and here's 3bn euro if you don't? Doesn't seem much of a sanction to me, perhaps it's all the EU can do.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tion-democracy

Glad none of that 3bn will come from UK taxpayers.

Just so everyone understands, this is the only reason he made that post for. To shit on the EU. He doesn't give a shit about the people in that airline, Ryanair, the Belarussian activist, Belarus or even Russia. His only point here is "EU is shit and I'm gonna troll the fuck out of this forum".

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So you're against transitioning from a dictatorship to a democracy?

He supports the subjugation of peasants, bloodsheed, death and mayhem in an aristrocratic/authoritarian regime without democratic legitimacy.

Of COURSE he's against transitioning to democracy. Why would he?

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Can you buy democracy? Is it for sale to the highest bidder?

That's not the issue. A country brings down an EU passenger plane and the EU offer them 3bn euro for their trouble. If they bring down another do they get a 6bn offer? It's EU sponsored terror and madness.

It's conditional. You know, the thing where you get something in return for something? Ok, to put it in terms you understand... you get Brexit and then you get companies going bust and an economy that's fucked. It's kinda like that. Without Brexit, you wouldn't have gotten the chaos and miserable existential threats to your middle class that you so clearly wanted.

[Shalcker]

Just so everyone understands, this is the only reason he made that post for. To shit on the EU. He doesn't give a shit about the people in that airline, Ryanair, the Belarussian activist, Belarus or even Russia. His only point here is "EU is shit and I'm gonna troll the fuck out of this forum".

I do note that absolutely noone from EU seems to mention activist's Russian girlfriend arrested with him...

Quite curious how such omissions work.

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So you're against transitioning from a dictatorship to a democracy?

3bn is absolutely not enough for that, not even for country as small as Belarus.

Maybe it could work as personal payment for top persons involved in "transition", but even that might be a bit too low.

[Cringefest]

So you're against transitioning from a dictatorship to a democracy?

There is nothing healthy in transitioning like this. Look at Ukraine, still crippled by corruption.

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Can you buy democracy? Is it for sale to the highest bidder?

That's not the issue. A country brings down an EU passenger plane and the EU offer them 3bn euro for their trouble. If they bring down another do they get a 6bn offer? It's EU sponsored terror and madness.

Yeah well we are also paying Erdogan to keep Syrian refugees. Syrians that he is heavily contributing in making refugees

[Forogil]

I do note that absolutely noone from EU seems to mention activist's Russian girlfriend arrested with him...

Some of us have mentioned that two persons were "arrested" - however, it would help if Russia more forcefully protested against this kidnapping of one of their citizens:

The terrorist state Belarus hijacked a plane and risked the lives of more than a hundred passengers just to kidnap two dissidents.

Two persons were taken, when Belarus hijacked a plane between two EU countries.

The nationality of neither kidnapping victim was mentioned.

Oh, and I guess I can happily post this once more:
https://un.mfa.ee/joint-media-stakeo...4978-to-minsk/
https://usun.usmission.gov/joint-sta...4978-to-minsk/

We, the current European Union members of the Security Council, Estonia, France and Ireland, and the previous EU Council Members, Belgium and Germany, joined today by the Security Council members, Norway, the United Kingdom and the United States, strongly condemn the forced landing of a Ryanair flight in Minsk, Belarus, on 23 May 2021, endangering aviation safety, and the detention by Belarusian authorities of journalist Raman Pratasevich and Sofia Sapega.

The airplane, owned by a European Union company, carrying more than 100 passengers from one EU Member State’s capital to another, was forced to land based on false grounds by a Belarusian military aircraft. These acts are a blatant attack on international civilian aviation safety and on European security and show flagrant disregard for international law....

And I don't know why you singled out the EU the ones claiming that "he was a nazi" and thus hijacking the plane was justified, they totally ignored the plight of the Russian girl; who doesn't seem to have any connections to Azov.

[Shalcker]

Some of us have mentioned that two persons were "arrested" - however, it would help if Russia more forcefully protested against this kidnapping of one of their citizens

Help who exactly? It isn't going to get her released sooner.

And I don't know why you singled out the EU the ones claiming that "he was a nazi" and thus hijacking the plane was justified, they totally ignored the plight of the Russian girl; who doesn't seem to have any connections to Azov.

There is no "thus"; hijacking was justified for Lukashenko because guy was designated as terrorist by Belarus and worked with hostile powers.

Calling for retributions against police officers defending public order while doxxing their home adresses would get you that in many countries, even in EU; but of course guy who went to hot conflict wouldn't shy away from calling for "direct action", wherever it would be against legitimate governments or "tyrants".

[Forogil]

Help who exactly? It isn't going to get her released sooner.

I didn't know that Russia sees itself as that powerless. It also disproves your statement that she wasn't mentioned, however, the main focus from many have been the hijacking of a plane between two EU countries by the terrorist state Belarus.

There is no "thus"; hijacking was justified for Lukashenko because guy was designated as terrorist by Belarus and worked with hostile powers.

One man's terrorist another man's freedom fighter.

However, the point is that even if hijacking him could be justified that doesn't justify Belarus hijacking a plane between two EU-countries (and kidnapping his girlfriend "for reasons").