FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
Can you do a level 50 dungeon at level 1? no you have to level up or you will die this will require time and effort
Can Jhonny pay X amount of money for a boost to level 50 and do a dungeon with gear immediatly with no time investment or effort put in? Yes!
Pay to Win.
Again I said earlier in this thread that it is vitally crucial that we define what "Winning" is in WoW since the game is so diverse. I would argue that for most players "winning" is getting really high end gear and clearing end game content on Heroic/Mythic OR Getting a very high arena rating. Both of those things can be attained by me simply shoveling enough gold at people OBTAINED via WoW tokens that I paid REAL MONEY FOR.
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
It literally is pay to win and your post shows you don't really know what pay to win is. Regardless if you agree or not, being able to spend money to skip a large portion of content is an advantage. Period. Just because you don't think it's a big deal doesn't mean it's not an advantage.
And to a degree, being able to buy tokens then sell them for gold pretty much is pay to win because then those people buy boosts in raids and mythic keys. While maybe not DIRECTLY pay to win through Blizzard, it's still a form of pay to win.
You literally sidestep between 'Pay 2 Win' and 'Pay 2 Have A Slight Advantage' twice in your post. Gehco is absolutely right here. There's no possible way to resolve this because everyone and their mother has a different definition and everyone thinks their mama is right.
* I was late into Shadowlands
* I came back in, got the gold I already had plus maxed out tokens. They sold in a day.
* I bought myself 2 Heroic Castle runs with 5 stacks each and KSM.
Tell me again how it doesn't put anyone ahead of anyone else? Im confused. My other guildie is still grinding for KSM because he's desperate for that mount. But I just got it in a few hours LOL. I was just watching Asmongold highlights on YouTube while all this was happening.
Also, i might just go ahead and buy myself a 2100 boost and /lol at the people trying to grind their way to 2100.
WoW's built in token system says I just have to buy my gold and watch YouTube and chill while the people who are too poor, well i mean they'll get there... eventually.
This is where someone says : WELL WHY ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING THE GAME, HOW DUMB CAN YOU BE (this isn't the argument so try to avoid this trap)
This is where someone also says: WELL ITS LATE INTO THE PATCH SO YOU ARE JUST CATCHING UP WITH THE REST (is this why Im already making arrangements towards paying for Sanctum?)
Now all this being said, PLEASE dont remove the token system LOL. I cannot sit there and bash my head against the wall for something I can just buy. Im sorry, im not doing that anymore.
The problem with this thread and every "P2W" thread before it is the same arguing over definitions... People have different views of what "P2W" and what even "winning" means. Its become clear to me seeing the same posters make the same arguments time and time again that fit their personal definition of p2w/win, that these threads are pointless to discuss anything in and honestly wouldn't be sad if they were just insta locked everytime they come back up.
Depends on your definition of winning. Which of course naysayers will goalpost as much they can, until they define first place in all categories for the entirety of the lifespan of the game as being the only valid state of “winning”.
How many world firsts do you have? Im curious. Because if its zero, then you're essentially sinking your time in for mediocrity. My time is more valuable and used elsewhere. Ill drop money on mediocrity and go chat it up with the neighbor. You can sit there and strategize and enjoy how you invest your time.
Money is easily replaced, time isn't.
No, because if boosts are pay to win, then ANY game with progression is pay to win as you can pay someone to either carry you or pilot for you.
As for actual power that is gated behind real money, wow has none of that, therefore it lacks the characteristics that are required to be pay to win.
Sounds like you dont actually enjoy the game, so not sure why you are playing. I have raided for server firsts in my past, and just because now I don't have the time/desire to invest in going for them doesn't mean my raids are pointless/mediocrity, I very much have a fun time doing casual heroic with a group of guys/gals weekly to chat bullshit and flex on each other.
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I know many ppl 220+ through buying boosted runs, boes etc. Remember- you get gear on the boosted run. Some boosted runs will even sell you all the gear that drops for your spec. Buy two H CN runs and a boosted KSM. Do it over a period of three weeks (so you get gear from the vault as well each week). Your toon will be well past 210........ (not sure what game you are talking about but this works in WOW).
So, just through boosts and buying items- you can be 213+ (heroic level gear) plus have the KSM and AOTC achieves in just three weeks (one week if you are lucky). How is that not P2W? You can also buy CE on a lot of realms and mythic carries........
P2W does not mean that you will be the best in the game...... It just means you can get to a high tier of accomplishment in the game through $$$. You can in WOW.
Yes, it's pay to win.
If Asmongold can justify that paid xp boosts in that shitty new mmo made by Amazon is pay to win, then buying gold and buying max level characters certainly is.
Saying "No I don't" then just responding with the exact same thing restated is not convincing anyone that you know the actual one true definition of Pay 2 Win. I'm loving the process though. Let's keep unpacking.
Also I should point out that one true definition is bolded because nobody actually knows that because it doesn't actually have a definition. Just vague guidelines that armchair heroes punt along and modify as they see fit.
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Well, we have a long list of people's views of Pay-2-Win...
The game apparently is Pay-2-Win by saving time purchasing a boost.
The game apparently is Pay-2-Win by selling a token/game-time legally for gold.
The game apparently is Pay-2-Win by selling game-time illegally for gold.
The game apparently is Pay-2-Win by purchasing items granting you power from the store.
The game apparently is Pay-2-Win by selling TCG items for gold.
The game apparently is Pay-2-Win by purchasing gold illegally.
The game apparently is Pay-2-Win by purchasing services illegally.
The game apparently is Pay-2-Win by purchasing a boost from other players.
The game apparently not Pay-2-Win by saving time purchasing a boost.
The game apparently not Pay-2-Win by selling a token/game-time legally for gold.
The game apparently not Pay-2-Win by selling game-time illegally for gold.
The game apparently not Pay-2-Win by purchasing items granting you power from the store.
The game apparently not Pay-2-Win by selling TCG items for gold.
The game apparently not Pay-2-Win by gold illegally for boost.
The game apparently not Pay-2-Win by purchasing services illegally.
The game apparently not Pay-2-Win by purchasing a boost from other players.
My biggest belief is that a game is Pay-2-Win when you are able to purchase power from the developer (Progression gear, stat buffs, loot buffs, etc.).
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Maybe, but there is different views of everything, hence this topic goes on once more.
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But, you can't buy gold, nor a max-level character?
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
You cant follow threads either. Your questions have already been answered.
I didn't ask if you raided world first, I also raided in top 20 WORLD raid teams, but we fell short so I personally do not have any world firsts. See how I answered that? I DO NOT HAVE WORLD FIRSTS. Thats the answer.
How many world firsts do you have?
Why dont I enjoy the game? Because I dont play it like you do? Im so confused. But if you go back, I actually tried to help some of you out that WoW being pay 2 win and WHY someone would do that, having nothing to do with this thread. The fact of the matter is who gives a shit why, who gives a shit if some idiot with a ton of cash "DOESN'T ENJOY" the game (in your PoV) what does someone's habits/play style have anything to do with the fact that I essentially paid my way to the top in less than a month?
Lets see I paid, I got more geared than people still gearing. I paid and got SEVERAL mounts in raids and Mythic+ that people are still trying to earn. It gives my account the same value as someone who spent an entire patch grinding away for the same. I paid for my Maw mount and Twisting Corridor runs. I get to mount up in Maw, others dont.
What part are you confused about?