Is WoW Pay 2 Win?

[Stardrift]

Good morning Stardrift

Anyways, I'm not sure what your post says, I've already said that if you define p2w = winning = success then in your opinion wow will be p2w. Everyone has their own opinion of the meaning.

See above

Also, there is nothing more definitive than.. purchasing power = P2W. No matter how many extra steps. If a dollar is spent on something that can buy you power, it is undoubtedly, factually P2W.

[iinverse]

You buy gold from Blizzard, you pay other dude to carry you = You Win = You are ahead of any random dude.

Its not "you win", its "other dude win it for you". You cannot win random dude by yourself just by paying money.

[rhorle]

Blizzard gives you Tokens for you to sale, he facilitate the way for the P2W scheme. You pay Money to them, you get gold, you win = Pay to Win

You win nothing buy getting gold. So you can't win from the transaction of buying gold. What you do with the gold is where you might get a win. But that is the inherent ability of gold in the game.

[Stardrift]

You instantly get more gold than a level 1 new player. Unfair advantage. You paid money, you get gold, you win = Pay to Win

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Blizzard sells the token, You pay cash to them, you get gold, you get rich in the game, you win = Pay to Win

Thanks! Exactly how it is. It's people like Rhorle why Ubisoft thinks it's okay to add microtransactions in singleplayer, full price games lol

[TheRevenantHero]

Its according to your definition of P2W.


Nobody cares, that you leveled your toon 2 days faster. It doesnt play any role even on start of xpac, because of ranked content release delay is several lockouts.

No. According to literally any definition you can find in google. And just because YOU don't care about something doesn't mean NOBODY cares. Paying money to skip 50 levels of content gets you a headstart on gearing and preparing for raids. That's a HUGE advantage because other players would need to spend hours leveling to 50 first.

[Stardrift]

You win nothing buy getting gold. So you can't win from the transaction of buying gold. What you do with the gold is where you might get a win. But that is the inherent ability of gold in the game.

You win a currency that allows you to purchase whatever you want that's purchaseable. Skipping the process of earning that currency.

How is that not P2W?

Again. Purchase with real money -> receive currency -> buy items and carries

[rhorle]

The win does come from Blizzard. It's in their product. Pay money -> receive currency -> buy power with currency. P2W

If the win comes from Blizzard why does it require a group of players to carry a person through a raid? If the win comes from Blizzard why does it require a raid to have got a BoE trash drop and an individual to decide to list it on the Auction House? The win comes from players. Blizzard does not supply the win or even the gold. Gold is not a currency specifically set up to be Pay to Win. An example of a currency set up to be pay to win would be coins in PokemonGo. You can get those for free but at a slow trickle per day.

No amount of buying tokens will give you a win if players are not willing to provide a win.

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You instantly get more gold than a level 1 new player. Unfair advantage. You paid money, you get gold, you win = Pay to Win

Pretty much everyone in the game instantly gets more gold then a level 1 new player. So the game is built on unfair advantages and doesn't mean obtaining gold is winning at anything.

[Stardrift]

No. According to literally any definition you can find in google. And just because YOU don't care about something doesn't mean NOBODY cares. Paying money to skip 50 levels of content gets you a headstart on gearing and preparing for raids. That's a HUGE advantage because other players would need to spend hours leveling to 50 first.

This. Purchased the boost (I know I know) and I fully acknowledge it'd P2W. I skipped the long process of levelling so that I can get to and prepare for endgame much, much faster.

[rhorle]

You paid Blizzard with Cash for a Token, you get gold from them, you pay other guy to carry you on PvP or PvE, You win = Pay to Win
You use that gold for the AH and get a mount that would take other people days to get the gold = You win

The gold comes from a player and not Blizzard. The win comes from a player and not Blizzard. That player doesn't care if you paid real money. Gold is Gold and they will boost you for gold.

[TheRevenantHero]

If the win comes from Blizzard why does it require a group of players to carry a person through a raid? If the win comes from Blizzard why does it require a raid to have got a BoE trash drop and an individual to decide to list it on the Auction House? The win comes from players. Blizzard does not supply the win or even the gold. Gold is not a currency specifically set up to be Pay to Win. An example of a currency set up to be pay to win would be coins in PokemonGo. You can get those for free but at a slow trickle per day.

No amount of buying tokens will give you a win if players are not willing to provide a win.

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Pretty much everyone in the game instantly gets more gold then a level 1 new player. So the game is built on unfair advantages and doesn't mean obtaining gold is winning at anything.

If you don't think getting piles of gold just for spending $20 isn't a huge advantage then you definitely don't play WoW.

[Stardrift]

If the win comes from Blizzard why does it require a group of players to carry a person through a raid? If the win comes from Blizzard why does it require a raid to have got a BoE trash drop and an individual to decide to list it on the Auction House? The win comes from players. Blizzard does not supply the win or even the gold. Gold is not a currency specifically set up to be Pay to Win. An example of a currency set up to be pay to win would be coins in PokemonGo. You can get those for free but at a slow trickle per day.

No amount of buying tokens will give you a win if players are not willing to provide a win.

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Pretty much everyone in the game instantly gets more gold then a level 1 new player. So the game is built on unfair advantages and doesn't mean obtaining gold is winning at anything.

Again. Spend real life money on a currency that buys you power? Pay to win. Fact is fact.

[Vampyrr]

Pay2win is explicitly buying power and advantages like gear straight from the developer. Which in WoW you cannot do. Buying a token to turn into gold to then buy a carry from a group in game is NOT and will never be pay2win because you can do the same thing without a token by playing the AH or farming gold. There is nothing you can buy with actual money from Blizzard to make your character better. So it fails literally the first test of a pay2win scenario.

[rhorle]

You win a currency that allows you to purchase whatever you want that's purchaseable. Skipping the process of earning that currency. How is that not P2W? Again. Purchase with real money -> receive currency -> buy items and carries

Because you win no power by simply having a lot of gold. You win the ability to do things but do not directly win anything. The process of earning gold is not skipped because the gold had to be earned by a player. If something is pay to win through indirect links then you must also count effort through indirect links. Right? Or is this about double standards because of feelings?

[Stardrift]

If you don't think getting piles of gold just for spending $20 isn't a huge advantage then you definitely don't play WoW.

Back in BFA I could've just purchased a mythic Jaina run and got the mount, skipping the process of having to farm for it in later expansions. Or skipping the process of progressing through BOD mythic for it.

[rhorle]

You use your Credit Card, to get gold = Pay to Win

So is subscribing to the game pay to win? I use my credit card to get everything in game.

[rhorle]

If you don't think getting piles of gold just for spending $20 isn't a huge advantage then you definitely don't play WoW.

Piles of gold have benefits regardless of the source. It still isn't a form of power being bought. It is a micro transaction. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[rhorle]

Again. Spend real life money on a currency that buys you power? Pay to win. Fact is fact.

Pay for Currency. The win is not guaranteed by buying gold.

[Stardrift]

Because you win no power by simply having a lot of gold. You win the ability to do things but do not directly win anything.

So with this logic, I win but then I don't win but I still won?

"The process of earning gold is not skipped because the gold had to be earned by a player"

So you mean I pay Blizzard to give me another player's gold so that I can win with it?

[TheRevenantHero]

Piles of gold have benefits regardless of the source. It still isn't a form of power being bought. It is a micro transaction. Nothing more. Nothing less.

It's a microtransaction that provides a HUGE advantage. what are you not understanding about that?

[rhorle]

That doesnt matter, the gold was sold by Blizzard, using the work of another player = Pay to Win. You paid cash, you received an advantage = Pay to Win

So now another player gaining gold makes it pay to win? It is weird how you keep moving the goal posts based on the argument of the moment.