Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I like triggering soft snowflakes .

Well that didn't last long.

[Gaidax]

Some people are just weird. C19 sure made all the loonies come out of the woodwork with their conspiracies and general lunacy.

[Poopymonster]

Some people are just weird. C19 sure made all the loonies come out of the woodwork with their conspiracies and general lunacy.

They were always there. They just became more open with their Jewish space lasers turning frogs into gay chemtrails to improve the 5G Keystone Light Pipeline.

[Granyala]

Some people are just weird. C19 sure made all the loonies come out of the woodwork with their conspiracies and general lunacy.

I still find it rather hilarious, that the same people say the govt. is incompetent to get even simple things right, yet somehow the same govt. manages to keep a lid on a global conspiracy of biblical proportions.

[Acidbaron]

I still find it rather hilarious, that the same people say the govt. is incompetent to get even simple things right, yet somehow the same govt. manages to keep a lid on a global conspiracy of biblical proportions.

Yes that is because they want you to think that *wink**wink*, if the RIGHT politicians were in power than this would not be the case! Or Everyone is in on it and only the CHOSEN ones can see through the veil!

Or other absurd rationalizations

[Tulune]

Studies are suggesting that recovery from COVID acts almost like a first vaccine shot. It primes your immune system to do the heavy work of the second dose, which is what is causing the strength of the reaction.

So people who haven't had COVID (or had only a light case) should have a worse reaction to the second dose, while those who have had COVID already should have a worse reaction to the first dose.

I'm curious to see if your experience lines up with this, @Tulune.

So far it wasn't as bad as the first shot. I had a fever last night, but tyenol took care of that and it hasn't returned. My arm hurts worse this time around though.

[Nerph-]

so I guess that means that I did have covid after all? I mean tests were negative, but there is also a chance to get a false negative as far as i know, and my first shot was far FAR worse then my second. with second, arm pain went away fairly quickly, wasn't nearly as bad and I only had extremely mild under the weather symptoms otherwise. no fever or anything.

either that, or I'm just a weirdo O_O

P.S. and I'm now glad that I ended up getting Moderna rather then J&J..

I don't think it's set in stone that if you reacted to the first shot worse than the second, you must have had covid. I mean I'm obviously no specialist, but I can imagine there are sooooo many factors involved about how your body reacts to the first and second shot, that it is just plain different and unique for every single person.

I was given Moderna too, and I had no reaction to the first shot while I had a light fever after the second. Other people I know in real life who have also had Moderna reacted to the first shot much more than the second, and they also have never had covid.

[Yunru]

Looks like the weather finaly helped to reduce the virus casses.

It went from 936 infections in april to 147 to this day. Suns radiations does help a lot from spreading it in outside areas.

547.495 people got the vaccine so far (out of 2 milion) so it did help a little it seems (but this was for older population mostly).
But i have a felling it will go up again when borders will open and people will go on sea vacations (this is how we got it in 1.st place).

[Tuor]

Looks like the weather finaly helped to reduce the virus casses.

It went from 936 infections in april to 147 to this day. Suns radiations does help a lot from spreading it in outside areas.

547.495 people got the vaccine so far (out of 2 milion) so it did help a little it seems (but this was for older population mostly).
But i have a felling it will go up again when borders will open and people will go on sea vacations (this is how we got it in 1.st place).

I was expecting the same to happen, sadly the numbers here in Portugal seem to tell us otherwise. The number of cases is going up by a lot, hopefully due to vaccination the average of daily deaths is a lot less compared to last year.

The diference is mostly due to the fact that last year the virus was still spreading, and this year the virus is already established in most places.

[Easo]

Moscow on Sunday announced "extra holiday week" and additional restrictions and Saint Petersburg is now having new restrictions as well, while world is slowly doing the opposite.
I am going to be a cynical bastard and say that Russia is reaping what they had sown. All those resources and time spent on propaganda about West failing to deal with Covid and how their vaccines are bad and kills/maims people had to have a blowback at home. Their own vaccination rates are abysmal for a nation having whole 3 separate vaccines. Come autumn and it will strike hard and a new wave will surely arise, way stronger than in Europe.

[Nerph-]

I was expecting the same to happen, sadly the numbers here in Portugal seem to tell us otherwise. The number of cases is going up by a lot, hopefully due to vaccination the average of daily deaths is a lot less compared to last year.

The diference is mostly due to the fact that last year the virus was still spreading, and this year the virus is already established in most places.

The numbers here in Belgium are looking very "promising", but with the summer holidays about to hit I'm not going to get optimistic just yet. I'll definitely be interested to see at the end of September/October how things are.

For the week of 4th June to 10th June: 882 daily infections (-40% decrease from the week before), 60 daily hospitalisations (-22% decrease from the week before) and 8 daily deceased (-40% decrease from the week before). I can't remember the numbers during the worst periods precisely but it has definitely substantially declined since the vaccination campaign.

That said, with the summer holidays and people going on holiday and people coming on holiday here, I'm worried. But yeah, we'll see after the summer holidays I guess.

[Forogil]

Moscow on Sunday announced "extra holiday week" and additional restrictions and Saint Petersburg is now having new restrictions as well, while world is slowly doing the opposite.
I am going to a cynical bastard and say that Russia is reaping what they had sown. All those resources and time spent on propaganda about West failing to deal with Covid and how their vaccines are bad and kills/maims people had to have a blowback at home. Their own vaccination rates are abysmal for a nation having whole 3 separate vaccines. Come autumn and it will strike hard and a new wave will surely arise, way stronger than in Europe.

I'm not sure they will last until autumn.

There's something odd with the recent numbers from Russia - >50% increase in reported cases during the last week https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/russia/

And they hadn't previously gotten the cases low - in contrast to European countries like the uk and Portugal that are also seeing a slower increase.

[Gaidax]

All masks canceled completely inside and outside starting tomorrow.

[Yunru]

All masks canceled completely inside and outside starting tomorrow.

Sounds like a very bad idea. I will still wear mine even when epidemic is 30 days over just to be sure.

[PhaelixWW]

I don't think it's set in stone that if you reacted to the first shot worse than the second, you must have had covid. I mean I'm obviously no specialist, but I can imagine there are sooooo many factors involved about how your body reacts to the first and second shot, that it is just plain different and unique for every single person.

I was given Moderna too, and I had no reaction to the first shot while I had a light fever after the second. Other people I know in real life who have also had Moderna reacted to the first shot much more than the second, and they also have never had covid.

Yes, a lot has to do with the nature of the immune system of the recipient. While I suspect that people who have had a significant case of COVID are more likely to experience a bad reaction to the first dose, the more meaningful conclusion to come to is that people shouldn't have more than one bad reaction to a dose. If they had a bad reaction on their first, they're probably extremely unlikely to experience a bad reaction on the second, as well.

[Nerph-]

Yes, a lot has to do with the nature of the immune system of the recipient. While I suspect that people who have had a significant case of COVID are more likely to experience a bad reaction to the first dose, the more meaningful conclusion to come to is that people shouldn't have more than one bad reaction to a dose. If they had a bad reaction on their first, they're probably extremely unlikely to experience a bad reaction on the second, as well.

Both my sister and mother, who both have weaker immune systems than myself due to various things, got given Pfizer and didn't have a reaction other than a sore arm from both shots. While I was of course pleased for them, it made me wonder why I did react with a mild fever and flu symptoms to my 2nd Moderna shot.

It's not keeping me awake at night, I'm just genuinely curious and wondering if it's a good or bad thing to "have a reaction".

[Underverse]

Both my sister and mother, who both have weaker immune systems than myself due to various things, got given Pfizer and didn't have a reaction other than a sore arm from both shots. While I was of course pleased for them, it made me wonder why I did react with a mild fever and flu symptoms to my 2nd Moderna shot.

It's not keeping me awake at night, I'm just genuinely curious and wondering if it's a good or bad thing to "have a reaction".

Moderna is 3.3x the dose of Pfizer, and beyond that they probably have slightly different manufacturing processes that lead to differences in immunostimulation. Moderna's process seems to be more immunostimulatory.

[Nerph-]

Moderna is 3.3x the dose of Pfizer, and beyond that they probably have slightly different manufacturing processes that lead to differences in immunostimulation. Moderna's process seems to be more immunostimulatory.

Ah I see. That would explain it a bit then Thanks for the info!

[cubby]

Delta Variant on the rise in the U.S. Supposedly putting twice the number of people in the hospital.

Fucking anti-vaxers about to get a healthy lesson in Darwinism.

[Easo]

I'm not sure they will last until autumn.

There's something odd with the recent numbers from Russia - >50% increase in reported cases during the last week https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/russia/

And they hadn't previously gotten the cases low - in contrast to European countries like the uk and Portugal that are also seeing a slower increase.

We can add excess deaths in 2020 ~somewhere around 230k above the norm in the previous years, which was discussed here at the end of last year, together with the officials implicating that IIRC 80% are connected to Covid - while the official death count from the Covid even now is "only" 126k.

Total real tally right now gotta be closer to 400k people dead, moving Russia up the "pedestal" almost to the top. Fuck, even the official goverment statistics agency (Rosstat, reports publicly available) basically says this during its monthly reports, yet the official number about direct Covid deaths is much lower.
It's like the whole country is playing pretend on official level and trying not to see the reality.

Let's be honest - they are far from the only ones who play with numbers, even Europe had funny things happen. But oh well - there are elections this September. Obviously big numbers are not good... xD
P.S.
Probably one of the best examples aside from Brazil what happens when you choose saving economy vs lives.

Sounds like a very bad idea. I will still wear mine even when epidemic is 30 days over just to be sure.

Ehh, 50/50. Israel is basically over it, all who wanted vaccine has received it and the last couple of weeks masks were used only indoors, but infection rates kept falling.
But I would keep it for one more month, it would not hurt.