Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[Forogil]

We can add excess deaths in 2020 ~somewhere around 230k above the norm in the previous years, which was discussed here at the end of last year, together with the officials implicating that IIRC 80% are connected to Covid - while the official death count from the Covid even now is "only" 126k.

Total real tally right now gotta be closer to 400k people dead, moving Russia up the "pedestal" almost to the top. Fuck, even the official goverment statistics agency (Rosstat, reports publicly available) basically says this during its monthly reports, yet the official number about direct Covid deaths is much lower.

Yes, only a fool would trust their numbers - but the recent increase in Russia sticks out, and if that trends continues it will be pretty bad pretty soon. I don't think they suddenly started fudging numbers in that direction.

[Rasulis]

Delta Variant on the rise in the U.S. Supposedly putting twice the number of people in the hospital.

Fucking anti-vaxers about to get a healthy lesson in Darwinism.

The Delta Variant is going to be problematic for states with low vaccination rate. In the last two weeks, we are seeing increased rate of covid cases in 5 states. What is more concerning, we are seeing an increased in hospitalization. The average of COVID hospitalizations in Texas has gone up four days in a row which hadn’t happened since mid-April. The number is still low compared to the peak. However, while the number of cases is still low, now is the time to get a handle on the spread before it get out of control.

Texas COVID hospitalizations increase as Delta variant spreads and vaccination rate remains flat

[cubby]

The Delta Variant is going to be problematic for states with low vaccination rate. In the last two weeks, we are seeing increased rate of covid cases in 5 states. What is more concerning, we are seeing an increased in hospitalization. The average of COVID hospitalizations in Texas has gone up four days in a row which hadn’t happened since mid-April. The number is still low compared to the peak. However, while the number of cases is still low, now is the time to get a handle on the spread before it get out of control.

Texas COVID hospitalizations increase as Delta variant spreads and vaccination rate remains flat

And as it spreads, it mutates. I mean, this is how lethal variants of contagious diseases start. Fucking retards not getting vaccinated because the guy on youtube had anecdotal evidence that gargling spring water and epsom salts work just as well.

[Rasulis]

And as it spreads, it mutates. I mean, this is how lethal variants of contagious diseases start. Fucking retards not getting vaccinated because the guy on youtube had anecdotal evidence that gargling spring water and epsom salts work just as well.

This is interesting.

Upwards of 90 percent of eligible Vietnamese Americans in Alabama, have gotten the shot. That’s compared to just 34 percent of all Alabamians.

[Edge-]

This is interesting.

Upwards of 90 percent of eligible Vietnamese Americans in Alabama, have gotten the shot. That’s compared to just 34 percent of all Alabamians.

Immigrants: Doing more for their fellow Americans than natural born Americans since...well...mostly forever.

[cubby]

This is interesting.

Upwards of 90 percent of eligible Vietnamese Americans in Alabama, have gotten the shot. That’s compared to just 34 percent of all Alabamians.

THAT brings up some very interesting conversation topics that I'm pretty sure would be banned in this forum.

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Immigrants: Doing more for their fellow Americans than natural born Americans since...well...mostly forever.

I mean, that conversation is about the fact that this entire country was founded on immigration. We are literally a country of immigrants.
(preaching to the choir, I know)

[Edge-]

I mean, that conversation is about the fact that this entire country was founded on immigration. We are literally a country of immigrants.
(preaching to the choir, I know)

A country of immigrants that repeatedly attempted to eradicate the natives...should we new natives be worried? DO WE NEED TO TAKE UP ARMS?!

I'm more worried about my natural born American brothers and sisters than I am about immigrants and refugees.

[Rasulis]

Immigrants: Doing more for their fellow Americans than natural born Americans since...well...mostly forever.

Its not quite that clear cut. These are the numbers from CA - Asian Americans at 85% immunized, Whites 62%, Blacks 43% and Latinos 44%.

I think that Asians as a whole are more amenable to the idea of vaccination when compared to the other ethnicities. We have only seen the good side of vaccination. We had never been the subject of experiments like Blacks in the US.

I received all of my vaccinations (polio, chicken pox, tetanus, etc.) at school. The only exception was for health reason and you needed a doctor's letter for that. It was simply put a fact of life. I don't remember any anti-vaccine protesters either. If they did exist, the secret police probably would have grabbed them in the middle of the night, locked them in a dark cell and threw the key away.

[Granyala]

All masks canceled completely inside and outside starting tomorrow.

Excellent. Lets hope it holds when winter comes.

[Witchblade77]

I don't think it's set in stone that if you reacted to the first shot worse than the second, you must have had covid. I mean I'm obviously no specialist, but I can imagine there are sooooo many factors involved about how your body reacts to the first and second shot, that it is just plain different and unique for every single person.

I was given Moderna too, and I had no reaction to the first shot while I had a light fever after the second. Other people I know in real life who have also had Moderna reacted to the first shot much more than the second, and they also have never had covid.

I mean.. I have other reasons to suspect that both SO and I had it, despite negative on a test, but who knows.

and huh, in our parts, our mask mandate is over after june 28. for now, people are still masking. in theory (and i guess practice) we don't have to anymore, but both SO and I have been wearing them anyways when getting groceries as per individual store requests. I'm not going to argue with cashiers over my vaccination status, they have plenty to deal with already. but it would be nice when its official for all. TBH. as strange as it may sound to people, i really REALLY miss wearing makeup...

[Rasulis]

Coronavirus infections dropping where people are vaccinated, rising where they are not, Post analysis finds

In other news, water is wet.

[Gaidax]

Excellent. Lets hope it holds when winter comes.

The chief executive here for the whole thing mentioned that it is possible that masks directive will return in the winter and he confirmed we will be having additional wave of boosters in the winter.

[Acidbaron]

The chief executive here for the whole thing mentioned that it is possible that masks directive will return in the winter and we he confirmed we will be having additional wave of boosters in the winter.

Honestly, i am going to be selfish on this as i suffer from lung ailments since birth but masks during winter and thus flu season would be greatly appreciated, i did not come with anything the last supposed flu seasons and rather not go back to how it used to be.

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Coronavirus infections dropping where people are vaccinated, rising where they are not, Post analysis finds

In other news, water is wet.

Sadly this is not an USA only thing and this quote stood out to me

But experts worry that unvaccinated people are falling into a false sense of security as more transmissible variants can rapidly spread in areas with a high concentration of unvaccinated people who have abandoned masking and social distancing.

There is this believe from people who refuse to get vaccinated that they will be safe due to others being vaccinated, whilst the jury is still out if you cannot spread it to others while vaccinated or that they know relatives have gotten it or they themselves have gotten it that they are safe for future more dangerous strains.

I do not wish harm on these people as i know some of them rather well but it is quite telling that it is often arrogance that no harm can come to them and i fear it will come back to bite them in the ass next round. Most likely at another freedom or anti-mask rally during the fall..

[Granyala]

The chief executive here for the whole thing mentioned that it is possible that masks directive will return in the winter and he confirmed we will be having additional wave of boosters in the winter.

Makes sense, until we have more data how the virus behaves in a vaccinated population during peak time, caution is still advised.

[Forogil]

Coronavirus infections dropping where people are vaccinated, rising where they are not, Post analysis finds

That is for the US, and even though a similar trend can be seen elsewhere there are some outliers.

The uk has seen the number of infections rise from low numbers during the last month, despite a large scale vaccination (especially the first dose).
Chile has seen the number of infections rise to high numbers this year, despite even higher rate of vaccination.
(There are some countries that are reporting declining numbers despite slow vaccination, e.g. India and Japan, but it is unclear if that is due to mandated lockdowns, people just staying home, or that a large part of the population has already been infected.)

The difference is that Chile relied one of the not so good Chinese vaccines, and the uk primarily relied on just one vaccine-dose, and opened more and earlier than many other European countries.

The US avoided those pitfalls, as they relied on better vaccines, and I would guess that the states that have high vaccination rates also take the pandemic seriously and if anything are slower to open up than the states with slow vaccination.

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They didn't look closely enough. China has given 824 million doses according to "Our World In Data" that they use as source, but there's no data on how many have been given one doses vs. being fully vaccinated - so they just skipped that.

Update: It seems that "Our World In Data" reacted to this and added some additional data for China around June 10th, and updated the world numbers with China at the same time.

[Easo]

Moscow's Mayor Sobjanin said today that everyone in the service industry (read, banks, shops, mail, restaurants, etc.) will have to receive mandatory vaccines.
I wonder if that will actually go through, but they dearly need it. Only 1.8 million out of 12 in Moscow are vaccinated (and it is more than elsewhere in the country, IIRC).

[Rasulis]

China's COVID-19 vaccines are being called into question after infections surged in countries using Chinese shots

By March, the Seychelles was one of the world's most vaccinated countries. With over half of its population fully inoculated from COVID-19, the island nation off Africa was outpacing even Israel.

This speedy rollout was largely thanks to China — imports of its Sinopharm shot made up 57% of all doses delivered there.

So when the Seychelles saw a sharp rise in virus cases in mid-May, despite some 60% of the population being fully vaccinated, that came as a surprise.

Later the surprise deepened as health officials confirmed, on May 10, that more than one third of Seychelles residents to fall sick had indeed already taken their vaccines.

In an interview with state-owned Chinese National Business Daily published on June 7, Shao Yiming, Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention expert, said the Chinese vaccines available in China are designed to prevent severe illness, not all infections.

Outbreaks of the Delta variant of the coronavirus may also complicate the situation in China. Studies from the UK suggest this variant is more likely to be able to escape even the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines.

In May, Yiming, China's CDC researcher, said that the vaccines can provide protection against the variants first found in India "to a certain extent", although he did not say which vaccines, and did not release data to support this statement.

[Tuor]

Second shot tomorrow...

[Edge-]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...-universities/

And the death cult continues. While public universities in AZ may have wanted to stay cautious as folks still aren't vaccinated and the Delta variant is a big concern, and had rolled out plans for student testing/vaccination/vaccine requirements to ensure that they could safely re-open campuses, the death cult decided that just wasn't acceptable.

Public universities cannot mandate testing for unvaccinated students, cannot require a vaccine before a student's return, and cannot enforce mask mandates.

"The vaccine works, and we encourage Arizonans to take it. But it is a choice and we need to keep it that way," Ducey said in a statement. "Public education is a public right, and taxpayers are paying for it. We need to make our public universities available for students to return to learning. They have already missed out on too much learning."

I hope AZ schools don't see a spike in cases, especially of the Delta variant, due to the death cult in the US.

[Witchblade77]

meanwhile i'm sitting here and its been only 2 decades since I myself went to college... and they wouldn't let me register for classes or anything until I have shown proof of vaccinations. (the standard mmr, etc we had back then). and that was btw for both private UNI and a city school.