What problems do you have with Final Fantasy 14?

[Pakheth]

I thought this topic was over but ohwell, you kinda proved my point already.

Why do you think people want to move away from the word furry? Why is the word furry applied to X race seen as an insult? Because to little surprise when you call something furry, you connect it with the furry fandom who are by and large disliked by the rest of the internet.

So what you actually want to say when you say something is furry is 'this is the kinda shit furries fap to' and if you actually look at what said shit is you find the vast majority of it to have a very common theme that goes way beyond simply having fur and at least one human trait and your average monster werewolf aint it.

Some like the term anthro more because it is more descriptive: anthropomorphic = humanoid. But people also want to move away from the term furry because outside people have tainted the term with misconceptions. You and so many others seem to have the misconception that furrys only like the art and races due to sex. Only a small percentage of the furry population are into that stuff but you see it a lot more because people from the outside find it funnier to point it out and usually drag said art out from it's intended audience to flash it in front of the unintended audience. What does that result in? Misconceptions.
Similar to how people think all anime is big titty ladies when the reason you see so much of it is because it is what is imported to the west, because sex sells. It's better now but it was a huge focus on hentai back in the day.
Can also point out the amount of regular hentai to furry porn is huge but no one screams about that and all the weird 'regular' fetishes. And trust me there are a lot of weird fetishes out there much weirder than furries.

Most furries just like to dress up, meet friends, go for a drink and just chill. That's the majority of what furry conventions are. But for some fucking reason people only want to see the small percentage that differs from that and paint the whole community in the darkest shades of fucked up. And furries know when the uninitiated use the term it's usually in a negative light.

Imagine you own hobby being branded as weird without anyone actually caring to look into what you do. You know, like gamers and roleplayers used to be, or anyone that did anything that was considered nerdy.

And again, werewolves are like one of THE most popular furry creatures. In many ways you can say it started with them. Just because not all of them look like someone gave a dog rabies doesn't mean that it isn't true.
In fact, here is an example of a monstrous werewolf fursuit: https://www.deviantart.com/qarrezel/...wolf-646344958
And here is another by the same artist: https://www.deviantart.com/qarrezel/...wolf-598669996
And if you look at their gallery you will see they do everything from the pretty and cute to the gnarly and monstrous, and the furry community is the same. Some like it realistic, others like it cartoony.

People have been fascinated with human/animal hybrids for thousands of years. It's not a new concept and it is part of human curiosity about the world around us. For some people it's refreshing and liberating to be able to become something you are not, even if it is just for a little while, one of the reasons why cosplay, roleplaying and larping is so popular. And for many the reason we play games like WoW and FFXIV.

I hope that explained it better.

[justandulas]

Some like the term anthro more because it is more descriptive: anthropomorphic = humanoid. But people also want to move away from the term furry because outside people have tainted the term with misconceptions. You and so many others seem to have the misconception that furrys only like the art and races due to sex. Only a small percentage of the furry population are into that stuff but you see it a lot more because people from the outside find it funnier to point it out and usually drag said art out from it's intended audience to flash it in front of the unintended audience. What does that result in? Misconceptions.
Similar to how people think all anime is big titty ladies when the reason you see so much of it is because it is what is imported to the west, because sex sells. It's better now but it was a huge focus on hentai back in the day.
Can also point out the amount of regular hentai to furry porn is huge but no one screams about that and all the weird 'regular' fetishes. And trust me there are a lot of weird fetishes out there much weirder than furries.

Most furries just like to dress up, meet friends, go for a drink and just chill. That's the majority of what furry conventions are. But for some fucking reason people only want to see the small percentage that differs from that and paint the whole community in the darkest shades of fucked up. And furries know when the uninitiated use the term it's usually in a negative light.

Imagine you own hobby being branded as weird without anyone actually caring to look into what you do. You know, like gamers and roleplayers used to be, or anyone that did anything that was considered nerdy.

And again, werewolves are like one of THE most popular furry creatures. In many ways you can say it started with them. Just because not all of them look like someone gave a dog rabies doesn't mean that it isn't true.
In fact, here is an example of a monstrous werewolf fursuit: https://www.deviantart.com/qarrezel/...wolf-646344958
And here is another by the same artist: https://www.deviantart.com/qarrezel/...wolf-598669996
And if you look at their gallery you will see they do everything from the pretty and cute to the gnarly and monstrous, and the furry community is the same. Some like it realistic, others like it cartoony.

People have been fascinated with human/animal hybrids for thousands of years. It's not a new concept and it is part of human curiosity about the world around us. For some people it's refreshing and liberating to be able to become something you are not, even if it is just for a little while, one of the reasons why cosplay, roleplaying and larping is so popular. And for many the reason we play games like WoW and FFXIV.

I hope that explained it better.

I actually think your posts explaining it are extraordinarily helpful for people ignorant about the differences etc. like myself. I appreciate them

[Pakheth]

I openly admitted I was ignorant about furry culture or whatever I just know that I wouldn’t consider a monster werewolf one, but I would consider ff14 races

And tbh, I’m fine with it existing but all I did was point it out. I didn’t insult or bash furry people. In fact the only furry race I insulted really, was the vulpera from WoW as not fitting in with WoW

As someone who isn’t part of that community but doesn’t judge, I’d say if it’s more animal like a movie monster, it’s not a furry but if it’s something furry fap too like ff14 races, it is

Fair enough.
I still doubt any furry that is into furry porn would fap to Vieras and cat boys. Like I mentioned before it's not their interest. However I know plenty of guys(and girls) who loves girls/boys in skimpy outfits with cat ears and tails and find that to be completely normal and will yell at you if you call it furry. See anime for example.

EDIT: Just saw you other comment.

And thank you for being honest. I mean it.

[Shakzor]

And i guess we're back to the discussion about stuff being feminine/masculine and furries...
Jesus christ, can you just DM each other, open your own thread people can ignore or something?

This is as tiresome to read as the Star Citizien thread at this point... it started with legit discussions about stuff and now basically is a few people going back and forth "you mean!" "no you mean!" "no you!"

[Pakheth]

I actually think your posts explaining it are extraordinarily helpful for people ignorant about the differences etc. like myself. I appreciate them

Glad to hear. I'm sorry if I come across as crass at times, it's just frustrating dealing with so many misconceptions. But I hope others too can pick up on it. We don't benefit from ostracizing each other after all.

Sometimes I think we gamers need to remember we too were misunderstood and mislabeled once back in the day.

[justandulas]

Glad to hear. I'm sorry if I come across as crass at times, it's just frustrating dealing with so many misconceptions. But I hope others too can pick up on it. We don't benefit from ostracizing each other after all.

Sometimes I think we gamers need to remember we too were misunderstood and mislabeled once back in the day.

I get that. I’m an old 80-90s gamer who went to the arcade and played dungeons and dragons table top. That stuff didn’t use to be cool when I was that age.

And apology accepted and I apologize if I came off crass to you any point.

I wasn’t trying to be rude about the topic, I genuinely admit I’m openly ignorant about some of that stuff so I enjoy your posts explaining it in more detail

[Pakheth]

I get that. I’m an old 80-90s gamer who went to the arcade and played dungeons and dragons table top. That stuff didn’t use to be cool when I was that age.

And apology accepted and I apologize if I came off crass to you any point.

I wasn’t trying to be rude about the topic, I genuinely admit I’m openly ignorant about some of that stuff so I enjoy your posts explaining it in more detail

Yeah I don't blame you. I have my own topics I am definitely ignorant on as well. Trying my best to broaden my horizons when I can so to speak.

And thanks, I appreciate it.

[Aliven]

Of course not. I did try it out.
It is the game with the greatest ratio of toxic players I have ever played. And the toxic players are even encouraged to bully and harass the non-toxic players.
Not a game for me.

Oh thats actually a good news. I was afraid you may play it.

[justandulas]

Yeah I don't blame you. I have my own topics I am definitely ignorant on as well. Trying my best to broaden my horizons when I can so to speak.

And thanks, I appreciate it.

Same and I’ll leave this thread on a positive note... my favorite part of ff14 is the music and sound design. It’s like a best of collection of FF sound, music, but with original works as well.

Even most of my mounts have their own unique music which every mmorpg should emulate if they could because that is so awesome.

There’s quite a lot I really love about FF14. Someday, I’ll win that weekly casino lottery...

[Katchii]

If you bring this kind of attittude to any hobby that entails a group of people, let's say football or soccer, then your teammates will give you just as much grief if you are not applying yourself. Nobody likes their time being wasted because someone doesn't feel like they have to contribute. Then you either change your attitude or you are suspiciously always the last person picked when the teams get made.

It highly depends on what the purpose of that game was. If it's a competitive game yeah, if it's a for fun get together and the game was just an excuse to hang out, then probably not.

Your assumption that every one who plays the game (either one, soccer or FFXIV, or anything else) are all playing for the same reason, with the same goals, and level of competition which is objectively false.

The only difference is that in this hobby you can pretend like the people you play with aren't "real" because they are not physically with you. It's not life and death, no, but it is real people's time that you are deliberately wasting because you don't feel like you have to do your best. So I think it is debateable who is the dick in such a situation.

The one acting like a dick is the dick, simple as.

It's fine if you don't wanna learn and improve yourself, but don't expect other people to accept that they have to work twice as hard because you are not carrying your own weight. It's really not that hard.

And what is defined as "carrying your own weight?" because I've seen very different definitions. Just because someone isn't doing maximum DPS doesn't mean they're not carrying their weight, and just because someone else is out DPS'ing them doesn't mean they're being carried.

[Aliven]

Football and soccer are competitive sports. The whole point is to perform better than your opponents. Everyone who opt in to such activities are generally on the same page. Hardly comparable to a video game that you play to relax. You don't watch movies competitively do you?

People play football for fun and to move a little in their 9-5 cubic life. Maybe crazy but they are doing sports for fun. Heathen i say!

[phattsao]

Laggy and unresponsive gameplay.

Basically, the same problem that every MMO not called "WoW" has.

[Aliven]

He's really talking out his ass huh? lol. I started playing 2 months ago, I still mess up sometimes to dumb stuff, but not once have I ever had anyone be nasty nor have I run into anyone like he's claiming is "all around" lol

My first advice in FF14 was in leviathan trial, when i tunnel visioned boss and not adds. One person, after the run just said, paraphrasing "look, you need to focus the adds, in higher difficulty everyone need because if not it can be wipe". The run was obviously successfull.

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I have to agree, the ff14 community is *generally* the most care bear, safe space, whiny bunch I have seen in a video game.

Their life depends on defending ff14s honor and their safe space to be as garbage as possible.

The fact that I can't call out a dps for doing 5x less dps cuz muh feelings is probably top 2-3 reasons I can't stand playing for like a month every 2 years.

Cant stand of this is the average time of ban?

[Daevied]

I have to agree, the ff14 community is *generally* the most care bear, safe space, whiny bunch I have seen in a video game.

Their life depends on defending ff14s honor and their safe space to be as garbage as possible.

The fact that I can't call out a dps for doing 5x less dps cuz muh feelings is probably top 2-3 reasons I can't stand playing for like a month every 2 years.

Avoiding ppl like you is the greatest thing this game have to offer, wish WoWs community were like that too lol

[Big Thanks]

Laggy and unresponsive gameplay.

Basically, the same problem that every MMO not called "WoW" has.

My computer makes sweet love with this game.
They were born for eachother

Im pretty sure my computer runs FF as good as WoW...actually...FF runs better because for some random ass reason...very rarely my WoW freezes for a split second since BFA at random times.

[Aliven]

The guy in the picture was literally a feminine looking man. Don't see the issue as he was wearing a gimp suit.

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Yes, the guy literally looks like a stereotypical gay man... don't know what to tell you. Stop your cancel culture garbage for people stating facts. Again, are you sure your seriously trying to prove that the ff14 community is not thin skinned? You kinda proving the opposite.

Edit- in fact I do think i should be able to tell them they are shit. They are disrespecting other people, they can also be disrespected.

Would you said the same in real life on public forum and wait for applause? For example in work enviroment of some activity? Wall climbing? Paintball? Like, you actually see yourself, after the match, just dancing with joy and saying there are subhuman mongoloids you pwned?

If yes, seek help. Seriously.

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It’s the opposite. Monsters with human features like werewolves, and minotaurs are not furries. They are humanoid monsters

Humans with furry animal features like the FF races, are furry

That said, I don’t really wanna pull this particular thread more... I’m kind of happier being ignorant on furry lifestyle and don’t really wanna google what makes it or not

We can agree to disagree here but I don’t consider elder scrolls ugly lizard men to be furries, furries are more humans who try to sexualize animal features, not monsters who take up human features like walking

Edit: then again, werewolf could be what you make of it. Twilight werewolves I guess could be furries but you’d be hard pressed to say that regarding American werewolf in London. Damnit I have already given this too much thought ahhhh

We can't. You are wrong. What to you is a furry is irrelevent when we have clear definition. Admit you are in the wrong, man up!

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Well that is plain wrong. Anthropomorphic animal = furry. So many seem to think furries have to be cartoonist to count as furry, but the line between furry and anthro is blurred at best.
If it is an animal with human features then it is furry, pose has nothing to do with it, only it's animalistic base.

With that said some artists prefer the term anthro over furry.

Furries are the fandom (very specific one) of anthropomorphic animals. The character (worgen, vulpera, hrothgar, etc) are not furries. Unless you want to call every childhood cartoon as a furry farm.

[justandulas]

Would you said the same in real life on public forum and wait for applause? For example in work enviroment of some activity? Wall climbing? Paintball? Like, you actually see yourself, after the match, just dancing with joy and saying there are subhuman mongoloids you pwned?

If yes, seek help. Seriously.

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We can't. You are wrong. What to you is a furry is irrelevent when we have clear definition. Admit you are in the wrong, man up!

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Furries are the fandom (very specific one) of anthropomorphic animals. The character (worgen, vulpera, hrothgar, etc) are not furries. Unless you want to call every childhood cartoon as a furry farm.

I did, and I thanked the user who explained it thoroughly to me. It was a topic I was (and still am) admittedly ignorant about

Self Accountability is important when you’re wrong and I appreciated that person explaining it in detail to me more.

[Raisei]

It highly depends on what the purpose of that game was. If it's a competitive game yeah, if it's a for fun get together and the game was just an excuse to hang out, then probably not.

Yes and how many people in pug groups are you friendly enough with to call the dungeon run a "fun get together". Probably zero. The purpose of a pug group is getting the objective done. If you join the group then that is implicitly your goal too. If you can find fun in that is not the problem of the other people. In a guild group things are different of course and there is a much more leisure athmosphere.

Your assumption that every one who plays the game (either one, soccer or FFXIV, or anything else) are all playing for the same reason, with the same goals, and level of competition which is objectively false.

Of course they don't. But there is a clearly defined goal when you join a group. in M+ it is beating the timer (unless stated otherwise before), if you put your personal feelings and enjoyment or relaxation in front of that goal you are being selfish towards the other 4 people.

The one acting like a dick is the dick, simple as.

Agreed, but there are different kinds of dickish behaviour. Both active ones as well as passive ones.

And what is defined as "carrying your own weight?" because I've seen very different definitions. Just because someone isn't doing maximum DPS doesn't mean they're not carrying their weight, and just because someone else is out DPS'ing them doesn't mean they're being carried.

No, not "maximum DPS" but "enough DPS". You can say something like that does not exist, but it factualy does. Many bosses in raids and m+ require a certain amount of combined DPS to die before their mechanics overwhelm the group. If one person in the group does not deliver their fair share of that, then someone else has to deliver it, or the boss can't be killed. That is what I mean with "carrying your own weight".

Take that example from a few pages before. A Healer doing 1,6k healing in a +14. That is simply not "enough", objectively. It's less then halve of what would be "enough". That healer obviously did not learn their class enough to take on such a high level of dungeon, in fact with such a low number they must have been missing very important and obvious mechanics or entire spells and because they did not put in the effort to learn their class they ruined the key for 4 other people.

[Big Thanks]

If you bring this kind of attittude to any hobby that entails a group of people, let's say football or soccer, then your teammates will give you just as much grief if you are not applying yourself. Nobody likes their time being wasted because someone doesn't feel like they have to contribute. Then you either change your attitude or you are suspiciously always the last person picked when the teams get made.

The only difference is that in this hobby you can pretend like the people you play with aren't "real" because they are not physically with you. It's not life and death, no, but it is real people's time that you are deliberately wasting because you don't feel like you have to do your best. So I think it is debateable who is the dick in such a situation.

It's fine if you don't wanna learn and improve yourself, but don't expect other people to accept that they have to work twice as hard because you are not carrying your own weight. It's really not that hard.

Me and my group of friends introduced a 16y old to World of Warcraft.
Its his second day on the game...this is what he wrote just now on our discord group:



Call what you will about FF community...but i wouldnt say WoW's is better just because you can be an asshole all the time.

[Wrecktangle]

One big part of that is the animations. If you look at the combat log you'll see that the damage actually goes out as soon as you press the button but then there's a potentially long animation associated with the ability that makes it seem like it's delayed.

Not how that works. Almost all, if not all weaponskills apply their damage at the end of the animation not in the beginning. This is also the reason why many oGCDs (abilities) fail despite going on CD due to server tick timings and animations. Ask any WHM how many times they've had their Benediction go on cooldown, hear the noise, and the tank still died? Ask any tank why they died despite having their invuln up because status effects (incl damage) don't apply until the end of the animations.

Some even go as far as to assume that if you're not trying to perform at maximum performance, you're trolling.

Eh, that's hyperbole and I haven't seen a single person advocate for that (provide link if possible and I'll admit I am wrong). Change it to minimum and you'd have my argument though.

If anything, people raging about the extra 4.7 minutes spent because the WHM wasn't comfortable spamming Holy on certain packs sound as "entitled" as anyone.

I'll never personally complain when it's one player playing sub-optimally, and I'd bet my salary that the "trolls" in this thread would agree with me. There's a difference between sub-optimal and what the fuck? Using your example if the healer is still appropriately healing and at least DPSing when comfortable. Good to go. The loss of 5 minutes is annoying, but not an issue AT ALL.

If the healer is only active 17% of the dungeon (aka not DPSing at all), that's what the fuck. I don't get to stand around as a tank and be 17% active without people asking me what's going on or pulling mobs for me, and dear god I HOPE the DPS aren't otherwise the 5 minute time loss turns into a 500% longer than necessary dungeon (not hyperbole, actual math).

haha! I've played so many schoolyard sports games over the course of my life and not once did anyone care that Joe Snuffy wasn't "giving it 100%" Now, if you're playing in the NFL and Randy Moss is lazily barely running his route because he knows it's a running play, that's a different story. But this ain't the NFL, buddy. WoW and FFXIV are, at their best, for most players, weekend Bowling League level competition.

This isn't someone on the team not being as good, this is someone on the team running out onto the football field not wearing a helmet stealing the football before the snap and running into the wrong endzone and celebrating.

That's not a "damn I can't believe you missed that Catch TG!", that's a "what the fuck are you doing TG?!".

HUGE difference. No one in here not even the "troll" @T-34 cares if a WHM is doing 40% less DPS than his savage geared buddy. We care when they deliberately make content more annoying than it needs to be because "lOL gUyS it's OnLy a gAMe." We care when the RDM in the level 80 24 man who hasn't died is doing less than 2k DPS. He's just straight AFK and no one cares. That's what we're annoyed about.

Normal people play games to have fun.

Different people have different opinions on what is fun.

lmfao Nobody does that in FFXIV. I've never once been in a group where someone didn't pull their weight and expected people to carry them.

How do you know? Are you running ACT? How do you know so certainly that they pulled their weight?

He's really talking out his ass huh? lol. I started playing 2 months ago, I still mess up sometimes to dumb stuff, but not once have I ever had anyone be nasty nor have I run into anyone like he's claiming is "all around" lol

The FF14 community is VERY respectful and helpful towards new players and sprouts. It's a wonderful thing. HOWEVER, this does eventually introduce you to situations where friction (and thus toxicity) can occur especially as players who are good at the game clash with those who want to be lazy in group content.

Oh he is doing that in every post he makes on this forum, no matter which topic or if he has to make up "facts" for it. Despite Final Fantasy being the second coming of Christ in his eyes it doesn't seem to get him interested enough to actually play instead of spending all his time here attacking WoW.

Yeah he blocked me I'm 99% sure because earlier on I had countered his points and had he responded he would have invalidated his entire argument. Knowing this he blocked me and doesn't respond to me any more.

Nothing about my behavior is toxic. Calling you out for gaslighting and ad hominem isn't toxic.

hehe Those who know, know. LOL.

They're exceptionally rare but they do exist. I've only encountered one toxic player and they were a healer who refused to heal me(I was the tank) and was pretty much only DPSing. When I said "Can I get some heals, please?" they said "Lol no. I wanna dps."

Wait, how does it go? What do you normally say?

ThIS Is A lIE and DIdnT HapPEn!!11!1!!!!

I always pull my weight.

I will resub literally tonight and log on and run and some content with you. Let's do it. I promise I won't say a single word to you unless you ask.

I played FF14 when it came out like 2014 or something? So I played a tank and all I could do to do threat was casting some aoe blind that did no damage. Then I googled if you get better stuff at higher levels but it said you basically spam this blind forever. So I stopped playing at level 25 or so and went back to WoW.

I understand that WoW classes also started extremely dull and got better and more interesting over time. Are FF14 classes more complex now like WoW classes got more complex in Wrath or Cata for example?

Thankfully it's much better now (ARR PLD (aka 2014 Gladiator/Paladin press AOE blind that did no damage) was the most awful design I think I've ever seen in gaming history). They're not more complex than WoW (as measured by depth and synergy of abilities), but they're significantly more refined than they were in 2014. If you're looking for the most engaging experience in FF14 I would strongly recommend a DPS though, as they have the most complexity of the 3 roles IMO of course.

For instance, in dungeons as a PLD tank now has access to 2 rotational AOE moves that you alternate for a physical rotation and every minute you have access to insta-cast AOE spell rotation where you spam the same ability (it's beautiful and effective) and then end with a culmination ability that is one of the most satisifying abilities to press!