Rae'shalare, Death's Whisper

[Ielenia]

Malleable Goo 50,000 yd range — Professor Putricide bounces a Malleable ball of Green Goo at the target, inflicting 14625 to 15375 damage and slowing attack and cast speed by 200% for 15 sec. Instant

Mutated Plague 50,000 yd range — Inflicts damage every 3 seconds. Instant
During Phase 3, every 10 seconds Putricide puts one stack of this debuff on his target

You're really reaching if you're going to say words like "bounce" and "put" indicate non-magic.

[Dwimmerlaik]

This is beyond ironic.

Let's "use Google", shall we?

"Death Knights were once virtuous defenders of Humanity. However, once the Paladin ranks were disbanded by the failing Alliance, many of these holy warriors traveled to the quarantined lands to ease the suffering of those left within the plague-ridden colonies. Though the Paladins were immune to disease of any kind, they were persecuted by the general populace who believed that they had been infected by the foul plague. A small band of Paladins, embittered by society's cruelty, traveled north to find the plague's source. These renegade Paladins succumbed to bitter hatred over the course of their grueling quest. When they finally reached Ner'zhul's icy fortress in Northrend they had become dark and brooding. The Lich King offered them untold power in exchange for their services and loyalty. The weary, vengeful warriors accepted his dark pact, and although they retained their humanity, their twisted souls were bound to his evil will for all time. Bestowed with black, vampiric Runeblades and shadowy steeds, Death Knights serve as the Scourge's mightiest generals."

Welcome to the definition of the second generation of death knights, the precursor to the playable class, which is the third generation.

Imagine that - we're both right.

[Glazey]

Imagine that - we're both right.

Technically, you were sort of correct. You implied that the second generation DKs never existed.

[Ielenia]

Imagine that - we're both right.

No, you're just plain wrong. You said that the death knights prior to Wrath were all orc warlocks risen by Gul'dan and that none of them were human ex-paladins, and that is simply objectively false.

[FelPlague]

That tells u everything, the only thing death knight have that necromancers do is summon a ghoul/the dead, everything that makes the necromancer a necromancter, the wizard who study necromancy, the robe wearing guy, the staff user, the one that completely focusing on spellcasting and summoning minions, compared to a melee juggernaut plate user who base combat is fighting with a big ass 2h weapon.

the fact that you can't see before someone walking you trough the things rly shows it

so this aint a necromancer?

[LemonDemonGirl]

Guldan died in 7.1
rastakhan died in 8.1
fucking yog fucking sarron died in fucking 3.1
illidan died in 2.1
we have had countless plot devices die early.

Also the weapon drops in normal/heroic/mythic.

He was pretty much killed off to promote his daughter. It's a shame, really

[Syegfryed]

so this aint a necromancer?

with a shield and a scythe? he does not look like the archetype, those do:

[ro9ue]

with a shield and a scythe? he does not look like the archetype, those do:

Definitely this - closer to warlock:

[Zyky]

I doubt we will kill her

It's pretty much confirmed that we won't. Every Hall of Fame where you kill the last boss has been "Famed Slayer of XXXXXX". This title is "Famed Bane of the Banshee Queen". There's also a Sylvanas book coming out in February of 2022. In my experience with Blizzard this is all but saying she's going to survive the raid.

[username993720]

Let me see if I can get this straight: despite having been shown that your methodology is flawed at best, you're sticking with it?

There's no other method, really, is there?

One does not preclude the other. Also, I must remind you that, in Scholomance-- which is a necromancer school-- we have alchemy being taught to necromancer acolytes.

Could be. But, Alchemy doesn't apply to necromancy only. There are Goblins style of alchemy, and Troll style of alchemy and other styles. So, to put it all in a Necromancer would be out of place.

You're really reaching if you're going to say words like "bounce" and "put" indicate non-magic.

Why not? It doesn't say cast.

Definitely this - closer to warlock:

Where is this from?

It's pretty much confirmed that we won't. Every Hall of Fame where you kill the last boss has been "Famed Slayer of XXXXXX". This title is "Famed Bane of the Banshee Queen". There's also a Sylvanas book coming out in February of 2022. In my experience with Blizzard this is all but saying she's going to survive the raid.

People have a hard time of grasping it.

[Syegfryed]

It's pretty much confirmed that we won't. Every Hall of Fame where you kill the last boss has been "Famed Slayer of XXXXXX". This title is "Famed Bane of the Banshee Queen". There's also a Sylvanas book coming out in February of 2022. In my experience with Blizzard this is all but saying she's going to survive the raid.

no one saw that coming, plus be redeemed, for extra cheesiness

[Zyky]

no one saw that coming, plus be redeemed, for extra cheesiness

Blizzard loves reusing their redemption stories, so probably.

[Alkizon]

Why you people still continue invented bicycle?
<Necromancer> <Spells>
I understand that Blizzard is very vague in its implementation within this game (lore), already mentioned Diablo looks much more adequate and with more formalized boundaries of possibilities, but why not turn to available more competent "sources"?

ps. In the end, even here on forum there're concepts that look more or less reasonable. I don't see much point in such quarrels
<aside> and it also has nothing to do with current topic...

[HugeMurloc]

Anyone knows the Drop Rate of the Bow?

[Teriz]

Do you think this is a sign of dark rangers coming at some point? maybe not this expansion.

Or do you think its just something to give us because she is a raidboss and will ofcourse drop her weapon upon being killed. I think its a pretty cool drop and it does look pretty wicked

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186414/...per?bonus=6805

I think it’s the exact opposite honestly. I see this as a sign that the Hunter class will get more Sylvanas HotS abilities moving forward.

[Ielenia]

There's no other method, really, is there?

That's a fallacy. Read about "argument from incredulity": I can't see any other way, therefore mine is the correct explanation.

Could be. But, Alchemy doesn't apply to necromancy only. There are Goblins style of alchemy, and Troll style of alchemy and other styles. So, to put it all in a Necromancer would be out of place.

Whoever said to "put all things alchemical" into the necromancer concept? What you're doing is saying "all things cooking" must go to the monk class because they can brew ale.

Why not? It doesn't say cast.

By that logic, those tooltips don't say "uses/drinks a potion", either.

Where is this from?

It doesn't exist. It's a fake. At least, as far as I could search.

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I think it’s the exact opposite honestly. I see this as a sign that the Hunter class will get more Sylvanas HotS abilities moving forward.

Like the warglaives of Azzinoth and Sargeras' blindfold were a sign that the rogue class would get more demon hunter abilities in the future?

[Teriz]

Like the warglaives of Azzinoth and Sargeras' blindfold were a sign that the rogue class would get more demon hunter abilities in the future?

Rogues weren't the only class that could use the Warglaives or the Blindfold. Only Hunters are able to effectively use the bow/quiver and its abilities.

Also Hunters have a history of getting Dark Ranger stuff (Black Arrow, Dark Ranger talent, Dark Ranger Hood).

Update:
It appears that both Rae'shalare and Dark Ranger's Quiver are only available to the Hunter class now;

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186439/...ver?bonus=6805
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=186414/...per?bonus=6805

[username993720]

That's a fallacy. Read about "argument from incredulity": I can't see any other way, therefore mine is the correct explanation.

Not necessarily. But, if i want to predict a class i have to use something, rather than just blindly expect one.

Whoever said to "put all things alchemical" into the necromancer concept? What you're doing is saying "all things cooking" must go to the monk class because they can brew ale.

Don't expect a cooking class.
But, i see what you mean.

By that logic, those tooltips don't say "uses/drinks a potion", either.

"Guzzle Potions 50,000 yd range — Professor Putricide starts to drink every potion on the table. 4 sec cast"

[Maljinwo]

and we can be dark ranger with the new bow, easy peasy

Throw in a black hood and BAM.

Dark Ranger

[ro9ue]

Where is this from?

It's fake, I had a post about what I thought Necro would be a while ago:

I've been consistent on this for years. Necromancer = Warlock Glyph.



The archetypal Necromancer is a light armored, plague and disease wielding, undead raising magic caster. DK is a melee fighter first, so it's not an appropriate substitute. DK is the Paladin to the Priest. It's much cleaner to just do a Warlock enhancement vs design a completely new class and have to balance more specs or try to force a DK into becoming a caster via a 4th spec.

First and foremost.... mechanics. Warlocks are mechanically inline with what a Necromancer is. Primarily a magic user, one who uses dark magic to raise undead, spread disease and rot their opponents with strong DoTs. We already have that foundation built with the Warlock. What's nice about this, vs a DK 4th spec is instead of 1 spec, you now have 3 specialized Necro specs:

Demonology - Demons = Undead, and the spec becomes a Necromancer who focuses on controlling an undead army as his or her primary expertise.
Destruction - Fire = Frost, destro would become the equivalent of a Lich, and let people explore a Kel'Thuzad-style Necromancer.
Affliction - Shadow/Void based DoTs = Blood/Disease based DoTs, this is the DoT based Necromancer who would prefer to rot away opponents with disease and poison.

Shadowlands would be a perfect time to add something like this. I'll list out some examples of specific changes I think would happen, and these art assets already exist in game and many more options are being added in the upcoming expansion.

Your Demons will convert to Undead:
Voidwalker (tank) - Skeletal Warrior
Felhunter (interrupt/dispell) - Skeletal Assassin
Succubus (cc/invis) - Skeletal Archer
Felguard (AOE dps) - Abomination with radiating plague damage.

Grimoire of Supremacy can jack up all of those base models to use some of the really cool Shadowlands undead minions.


Void/Shadow magic and Fel/Fire magic becomes Blood and Frost:
Incinerate - Icy Bolt
Immolate - Deathchill
Cataclysm (Talent) - Death and Decay
Corruption - Plague
etc

Some things still fit just fine:
Drain Life / Soul
Life Tap
Ritual of Summoning
Curses
etc

My end argument is that I view a Necromancer as primarily a magic user. And I view Warlocks as a Mage who will use forbidden magics. I simply view Necromancer as a specific TYPE of Warlock. A single glyph that modifies the flavor of your spells basically completely fulfills the fantasy.