Spoiler I can't believe it. Tyrande did something.

[Eazy]

Again, she landed only one hit and that did absolutely nothing to Sylvanas. Other than that just like Sylvanas' tricks with arrows didn't pan out, Tyrande's tricks like exploding her weapons on Sylvanas' ass didn't pan out either.

And how many hits Tyrande had? Zero.
The melee combat? She was in the constant defending position and couldn't do anything.
With the bow? The best ranger couldn't hit a weaponless priest even once.
When Tyrande was choking her she was in panic untill she realized that Elune's power was waning.

Tyrande was clearly winning and it's wrong to state otherwise.

You do realize Sylvanas at that point was already in league with the Jailer and was waging a war in the manner that would lead to the most casualties possible, right? Now, I wonder, what would lead to more casualties: personally duking things out with Anduin and his posse or luring the Alliance into the city under false sense of security by making them think they won and then exploding that city on them?

That's the reason why she didn't kill them when she was fighting with Saurfang yup? She just ran away then.
Anyway, if more casualities the better - then she should've stood and fight intead of saving her horde.
So that means she's even more stupid that I thought she is.

Nice, you're already moving the goalposts away from "she wasn't able to kill him" to "she wasn't able to kill him or was too stupid". A sign of a strong argument, to be sure. Never mind that you still haven't established why on earth she wouldn't be able to kill an old, limping (or "casually walking" in your Bizarro world) man who turned his back to her.

I am not moving from anything. Just trying to understand your point of view, if you think that she was able to kill him... then that means she's a strategically moron.
More casualities - better? Then why she didn't kill Genn back then? Why she didn't want to spark a flame between the Horde and the Alliance? O WAIT, because she's imbecile or simply couldn't kill him.

Also, Sylvanas not wanting to have a war with the Alliance at that specific moment is not only immaterial to the point on multiple levels (starting with how her killing Genn wouldn't have changed anything in this department as his actions already opened hostilities between the factions), but Sylvanas, while wanting war in general, was not yet ready for it even after the events of Legion. Which she stated on multiple occasions even when talking in confidence with Nathanos.

Why? It wouldn't matter if they die or not, they would still be in the Shadowlands. Even better... actually more people would've gone there with her and haste up the Jailer plan.

Except this isn't Dragon Ball, last time I checked. It's a setting where even individuals as powerful as Malfurion get wrecked by something as simple as an axe to the back, because they are still mortals. But somehow the force of a throw this strong wouldn't have affected him because reasons (read: convenience to your grand argument).

Except Sylvanas(who was sooo strong ) died with... a simple bullet.
And actually yes, we've seen people throwing each others and still winning fights. That "b-but she just threw him across the 5 yards/meters/whatever" argument is just simple stupid and doesn't prove anything.

And they don't show the same thing for squat. In game (in the whooping three seconds between Saurfang spawning and him turning Malfurion into minced meat) Malfurion is standing right over kneeling Sylvanas and spamming Druid spells at her. In the story he gets hauled the fuck away and crashes into dirt far away from Sylvanas. These two are not mutually inclusive no matter how hard you try to bend over backwards in regards to this topic.

Of course they don't show the same thing. But that doesn't mean other things aren't canon. The scene that happened in the game could be the scene that happened a few seconds before Saurfang threw his axe. Just as the things in the Elegy and A Good War are interwined. It's not a complex concept to understand actually.

And they didn't show it in the story at all. Going by your logic if they meant to have Sylvanas be the losing side in the story, they would have shown that. Then again you made it rather clear that your logic is malleable to say the least.

But they shown that in the game, which is enough. Blizzard didn't show plenty of things in their books but we've seen them in the games. Does that mean they aren't canon? lol

Character speeches are infinitely more than the grand total of absolutely nothing in the story supporting your claim.

Character speeches are just their own opinion about situations, nothing more. It's logically wrong to actually take them as facts.

If with her Elune free powerup she was wining...she would have won the fight, thats what you are suggesting isn´t it? This is why all of this is nothing but speculation.

You have no idea what wining is then, or you just refuse to believe your own eyes. /shrug

At this point I wish Sylvanas would have just shot her in the back and be done with it when, now dumb Tyrande, turns around mid fight.

Suit yourself….however:

That's not even speculation, that's a fact. Analyze their fight. Sylvanas was clearly losing up untill the moment Tyrande lost her powers. Sylvanas was almost all the time in the defending position, couldn't fight in the melee. Tried to use ranged abilities and failed, tried to run away and failed.
If you don't count that as losing then there's something wrong.

[Mehrunes]

And how many hits Tyrande had? Zero.
The melee combat? She was in the constant defending position and couldn't do anything.
With the bow? The best ranger couldn't hit a weaponless priest even once.
When Tyrande was choking her she was in panic untill she realized that Elune's power was waning.

Tyrande was clearly winning and it's wrong to state otherwise.

You mean Tyrande didn't get hit by Sylvanas' chains? Fascinating. Where did you get that alternate version of the cinematic? DeviantArt? Also, whooping half a second passes between the time when camera shifted to Sylvanas' face and the time when she stopped struggling and started to smile because she realized Tyrande's power waned. And somehow you got her panicking out of that sliver of time.

That's the reason why she didn't kill them when she was fighting with Saurfang yup? She just ran away then.
Anyway, if more casualities the better - then she should've stood and fight intead of saving her horde.
So that means she's even more stupid that I thought she is.

Just because Sylvanas was feeding souls to the Maw at the start of BfA doesn't mean she was still doing that at the end. Come on, even Lor'themar pieced it together that she bailed out because she no longer needed the Horde to achieve her goals. And would you look at that, he was right as she waltzed up to ICC, shattered the sky and opened a portal to Jailer's gimp realm. And I'm not sure how Blizzard making Sylvanas gargle on the idiot ball for the sake of Alliance characters is supposed to be an argument against Sylvanas rather than those Alliance characters in the context of this discussion.

I am not moving from anything. Just trying to understand your point of view, if you think that she was able to kill him... then that means she's a strategically moron.
More casualities - better? Then why she didn't kill Genn back then? Why she didn't want to spark a flame between the Horde and the Alliance? O WAIT, because she's imbecile or simply couldn't kill him.

Yes, changing your tune from X to X or Y is indeed not moving from anything. And I already gave you my point of view on the event? It was plot contrivance because Blizzard didn't want Genn dead at that moment. Also, you're again jumbling different arguments together. There's no evidence Sylvanas was already trying to kill as many people as possible at the time of Stormheim. At the time she was pretty keen on the "let's make myself and the Forsaken immortal" plan and she was pissed about it failing even months after Genn broke her magic lamp.

Except Sylvanas(who was sooo strong ) died with... a simple bullet.
And actually yes, we've seen people throwing each others and still winning fights. That "b-but she just threw him across the 5 yards/meters/whatever" argument is just simple stupid and doesn't prove anything.

And Malfurion got turned into sashimi with an axe that wasn't even magical. What's your point? Other than bringing up a completely different event than what you're replying to right here in order to mask how you don't have anything to address what was actually being discussed, that is. Also, that argument is so stupid that you had to reduce the distance Malfurion got hauled at least sevenfold in order to claim that it doesn't prove anything. Very convincing /s

Of course they don't show the same thing. But that doesn't mean other things aren't canon. The scene that happened in the game could be the scene that happened a few seconds before Saurfang threw his axe. Just as the things in the Elegy and A Good War are interwined. It's not a complex concept to understand actually.

And if grandma had wheels she would have been a bike. Again, the scene in game happens whooping three seconds prior to in-game Saurfang slicing in-game Malfurion with in-game axe. Your attempts at forcing some significant time window (supposedly not shown in the story) here in order to explain the significant differences between the both versions of the fight does not pan out because that time window simply doesn't exist. Both versions show events happening immediately before Saurfang did his throw of honor. Both of these events happening immediately before Saurfang's throw (i.e. at the same time) are significantly different. Starting with the distance between Saurfang and Malfurion. As such the idea they don't contradict each other falls flat on its face.

But they shown that in the game, which is enough. Blizzard didn't show plenty of things in their books but we've seen them in the games. Does that mean they aren't canon? lol

If the events of the book are contradicting the events of the game and the books came later, then the in-game events aren't canon, yes. This shouldn't be complicated. Yet, it is for you. For "some" reason.

Character speeches are just their own opinion about situations, nothing more. It's logically wrong to actually take them as facts.

Way to deliberately address only the much less important half of that paragraph...

[cirdanx]

That's not even speculation, that's a fact. Analyze their fight. Sylvanas was clearly losing up untill the moment Tyrande lost her powers. Sylvanas was almost all the time in the defending position, couldn't fight in the melee. Tried to use ranged abilities and failed, tried to run away and failed.
If you don't count that as losing then there's something wrong.

/sigh
I already did in case you didn´t read it. But you are right, there is something wrong: with the idea she is wining and with the fight in general, namely Sylvanas actions.

One will always be defending in a sword fight, against the one initiating the attack, we have seen this in her fight with Sadfang as well when he went all “you can´t kill hope” blabla. It even makes sense, they never fought and you have to study your opponent in a fight. That´s not losing.

In fact, Sylvanas never once attacks, not once, she only deflects and doesn´t get aggressive at ALL. Only when she is shoved away, she uses her chains...she could have blasted her like Sadfang. Tyrandes glaive throw and explosion does nothing to her. Old Elune fan does manage to dodge three arrows shot out of running, but how long can she keep that up? At that point she has no weapons, is in open field and now Sylvanas is directly aiming at her, steady…pure speculation: she is dead meat.

BUT wait it gets even better. The horn goes off and Sylvanas lowers her bow and that dumb nut Tyrande turns her back to her. Now by all logic she is dead in this situation, it´s almost as if Sylvanas has NO intention of killing her. Which I have to assume is true, because she just casually flies off.

However, Syl clearly didn´t expected what came next and looks rather surprised when they tumble to the ground. There is zero, none, indication that she tries to rip off her head or that she would even be able to do that. Nor does Syl look stressed out, at any point in the fight. Blizzard really tries to do a good job with their facial animation these days...i think they would have gotten that right. Instead we have Sylvanas talking thru her choke-hold and Tyrande losing her support from Elune.

There is no wining from Tyrande at any point in this damn fight, not even a scratch on Windrunner and it doesn´t even look like as if the banshee has any interest in fighting or killing her. It looked like she was merely playing with the priestess. She didn´t use any relevant power we know her to be capable of in this fight against her opponent, think about that.

[Syegfryed]

Tthat's a speculation based on a few facts: she lost her weapon(threw them away) and said that she's going to get the banshee's head.

I mean... I am just trying to bring logic to that Blizzard writing. Trying to somehow advocate Whisperwinds decision.
Either that or Tyrande was just too focused on her rage she forgot about Sylvanas being undead..

yeah, thats kind of the main problem here, bring logic to the scene, when tis more of a deliver of a dbz scene with plot device

the fact that, if it was not sylvanas, or any undead, it would make sense the chocking, just make it funny

[Biske]

Why does strangling an undead being that doesn't even need to breathe work, anyway?

Edit: Oh, oops, saw this was already brought up.

[Jastall]

What makes it particularly weird is that five seconds earlier Tyrande asked Elune for that one last bit of extra power so she could sacrifice herself to kill Sylvanas, something clearly happens in response vide all the lights "dribbling" towards her face and she launches herself after Sylvanas. If Elune was going to depower her immediately afterwards, why answer her plea in the first place?

None of the theories mentioned throughout the thread so far really make sense in the light of that. Elune wanted Sylvanas survive for one reason or another? Why give Tyrande the extra juice she needed for lift-off at all? She wanted Tyrande to survive (either the suicidal attack or the toll of the Night Warrior's power in general)? There's not only the same concern as above, but now we also get the part where she depowered Tyrande so hard Sylvanas overpowered her, which put Tyrande in danger. The most I can think of is that once Tyrande caught up to Sylvanas Elune realized the suicidal attack wouldn't be enough and Tyrande's sacrifice would have been pointless, but that's still not without flaws.

Unless Elune is just a massive troll and simply enjoys toying with mortals.

I see few ways to make sense of it all as well. If Elune didn't want Tyrande to die, why make her the Night Warrior in the first place given that it's an automatic death sentence? If instead she didn't want Sylvanas dead, why even buff Tyrande in the first place rather than just allow the banshee to flee? Does she want to give Tyrande some lesson about not letting rage overpower her? Still seems stupid because as someone said Sylvanas could then seemingly have killed a now vulnerable Tyrande had Ysera not intervened.

Elune being a troll is pretty much the most likely explanation, which does the story little credit.

[Nerovar]

I see few ways to make sense of it all as well. If Elune didn't want Tyrande to die, why make her the Night Warrior in the first place given that it's an automatic death sentence? If instead she didn't want Sylvanas dead, why even buff Tyrande in the first place rather than just allow the banshee to flee? Does she want to give Tyrande some lesson about not letting rage overpower her? Still seems stupid because as someone said Sylvanas could then seemingly have killed a now vulnerable Tyrande had Ysera not intervened.

Elune being a troll is pretty much the most likely explanation, which does the story little credit.

It's probably just like Sylvanas says. Elune is getting weaker for some reason and her power slipped away at that moment because she didn't have any more to spare.

Seems silly and very convenient but it's what Sylvanas' smart-ass dialogue implies.

[Stormdash]

Tyrande deserved her L for using her ultimate to try to strangle to death a banshee inhabiting an undead body

[Feanoro]

I see few ways to make sense of it all as well. If Elune didn't want Tyrande to die, why make her the Night Warrior in the first place given that it's an automatic death sentence? If instead she didn't want Sylvanas dead, why even buff Tyrande in the first place rather than just allow the banshee to flee? Does she want to give Tyrande some lesson about not letting rage overpower her? Still seems stupid because as someone said Sylvanas could then seemingly have killed a now vulnerable Tyrande had Ysera not intervened.

You've put more thought in it than the writers, who clearly go for MCU flashy moments and "clever" dialogue.

Elune being a troll is pretty much the most likely explanation, which does the story little credit.

Nah, the most likely explanation is the writers have stated they find continuity constraining, and as such just write whatever sounds cool at the moment.

- - - Updated - - -

Elune is getting weaker for some reason

Namely that Danuser is boosting his beloved waifu. "Even the one deity in WoW is no match for muh kween!"

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight]

I'm so tired of Sylvanas as a villain and of her lack of karma since Cataclysm, it will be a relief when she's gone for good.

[ohwell]

Elune not letting Tyrande kill Sylvanas is interesting. Maybe it's a timeline thing and she's not allowed to kill her?

Only the Azeroth champion is, canonically. Something something First Ones = Time

Something something....ummm she's not a first one or else she'd be "mother" not "sister"

[Kithelle]

Even before that, the fight was hardly one sided, until Tyrande activated her suicide charge, also Sylvanas never threw one of her typical hissy fits when things don't go her way. Because ultimately pretty much everything went the way Sylvanas wanted, in that sense Saurfang had a better fight than her, because he got under her skin, despite being steamrolled

Tyrande did not win in their battle in terms of power, because it ran out and she became weaker and the sigil got stolen as planned. So she lost on every aspect, which for all that hype around the night warrior is quite pitiful, but in the end hilarious, since blizz was trying to sell a win here

Trying to sell a win? If it wasn't for the fact that Sylvanas is waifu and needed for the story she'd be dead...you and I both know they wont kill Sylvanas or the white knights will howl in rage.

[Jastall]

It's probably just like Sylvanas says. Elune is getting weaker for some reason and her power slipped away at that moment because she didn't have any more to spare.

Seems silly and very convenient but it's what Sylvanas' smart-ass dialogue implies.

Even deities become weaksauce when they dare to threaten Sylvanas-stan's existence. Makes sense from a Doylist point of view, plot armor checks out once again.

If only all this nonsense served an actually charismatic villain instead of an endlessly annoying cardboard cut-out with no remaining personality to speak of.

[PenguinChan]

Well made cinematic, but it meant nothing in the end - as is tradition. Every time Blizzard has a way to make a cinematic impactful they just kind of ... Don't. It feels like they make these cinematics well after the story is plotted out, so they can't actually fulfill what seemed to be the intent of the entire animation. Clearly Tyrande should've killed Sylvanas, or if they were going with the power loss theme - it makes little sense why Sylvanas wouldn't just kill Tyrande, especially after hearing of Nathanos' death and the inevitable secrets the jailor is keeping (shocker!).

Which if that's the case, why don't they pick better moments to animate and leave these for the mediocre in-game ones if that's how they're going to treat the interactions - fruitless?

I guess Tyrande lives, and at the moment, succeeded in nothing.

[Eazy]

One will always be defending in a sword fight, against the one initiating the attack, we have seen this in her fight with Sadfang as well when he went all “you can´t kill hope” blabla. It even makes sense, they never fought and you have to study your opponent in a fight. That´s not losing.

She was so much studying her opponent she received a blow and had to use her bow because she didn't have any chances in close combat. That's losing.

In fact, Sylvanas never once attacks, not once, she only deflects and doesn´t get aggressive at ALL. Only when she is shoved away, she uses her chains...she could have blasted her like Sadfang. Tyrandes glaive throw and explosion does nothing to her. Old Elune fan does manage to dodge three arrows shot out of running, but how long can she keep that up? At that point she has no weapons, is in open field and now Sylvanas is directly aiming at her, steady…pure speculation: she is dead meat.

Of course she didn't, because Tyrande was on the offensive almost all the time. She only tried to use chains which were useless against Tyrande. After seeing that she broke it easily. She wasn't fast or powerful enough to actually harm Tyrande in any way.

BUT wait it gets even better. The horn goes off and Sylvanas lowers her bow and that dumb nut Tyrande turns her back to her. Now by all logic she is dead in this situation, it´s almost as if Sylvanas has NO intention of killing her. Which I have to assume is true, because she just casually flies off.

Not really. That's your own opinion... and if that's true, then Sylvanas is even more stupid. Who wouldn't finish his opponent when they had a chance?
And Sylvanas seriously wanted to fight with her. "Show me Elune's wrath", but ultimatelly she didn't even harm her in any way.

However, Syl clearly didn´t expected what came next and looks rather surprised when they tumble to the ground. There is zero, none, indication that she tries to rip off her head or that she would even be able to do that. Nor does Syl look stressed out, at any point in the fight. Blizzard really tries to do a good job with their facial animation these days...i think they would have gotten that right. Instead we have Sylvanas talking thru her choke-hold and Tyrande losing her support from Elune.

She was in panic and couldn't do anything untill she saw that the Elune's power was waning.

There is no wining from Tyrande at any point in this damn fight, not even a scratch on Windrunner and it doesn´t even look like as if the banshee has any interest in fighting or killing her. It looked like she was merely playing with the priestess. She didn´t use any relevant power we know her to be capable of in this fight against her opponent, think about that.

You're just trying to twist the facts to make it look like Sylvanas stood any chance. While she was losing for the whole fight. Don't be ridiculous. Every of your argument was proven wrong.
What's else are you going to write? Its like saying "The people from Stratholme didn't lose to Arthas, they were just tactically trying to outsmart him but didn't have enough time"

You mean Tyrande didn't get hit by Sylvanas' chains? Fascinating. Where did you get that alternate version of the cinematic? DeviantArt? Also, whooping half a second passes between the time when camera shifted to Sylvanas' face and the time when she stopped struggling and started to smile because she realized Tyrande's power waned. And somehow you got her panicking out of that sliver of time.

Getting hit and getting entangled are two different things.
And yes, she was in fact in panic and couldn't do anything for that moment.

Just because Sylvanas was feeding souls to the Maw at the start of BfA doesn't mean she was still doing that at the end. Come on, even Lor'themar pieced it together that she bailed out because she no longer needed the Horde to achieve her goals. And would you look at that, he was right as she waltzed up to ICC, shattered the sky and opened a portal to Jailer's gimp realm. And I'm not sure how Blizzard making Sylvanas gargle on the idiot ball for the sake of Alliance characters is supposed to be an argument against Sylvanas rather than those Alliance characters in the context of this discussion.

Okay. But still that makes her stupid, because she could've feed much more souls to the maw. She eventually screamed "Horde is nothing", which is making her even more stupid. She had a whole army that could help her bring even more people to the afterlife, but then she decided to go emotional and lose that opportunity. (inb4 "she fed maw with enough souls" - lmao)

Yes, changing your tune from X to X or Y is indeed not moving from anything. And I already gave you my point of view on the event? It was plot contrivance because Blizzard didn't want Genn dead at that moment. Also, you're again jumbling different arguments together. There's no evidence Sylvanas was already trying to kill as many people as possible at the time of Stormheim. At the time she was pretty keen on the "let's make myself and the Forsaken immortal" plan and she was pissed about it failing even months after Genn broke her magic lamp.

Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? If that's how you're actually discussing then I already see why some people despise you on this forum(I received 3 private messaged that I shouldn't even discuss about anything with you and I am not even joking). I just "moved from one thing to another" to prove that your point of view isn't changing that much for my arguments, it's making them more complicated, while in fact my points still stands. And the argument "Blizzard wanted them to live", is just as sensible are "Blizzard just wanted Sylvanas to live, so they decided they will erase Elune's power before Tyrande destroy her".

And Malfurion got turned into sashimi with an axe that wasn't even magical. What's your point? Other than bringing up a completely different event than what you're replying to right here in order to mask how you don't have anything to address what was actually being discussed, that is. Also, that argument is so stupid that you had to reduce the distance Malfurion got hauled at least sevenfold in order to claim that it doesn't prove anything. Very convincing /s

I was just answering for your useless argument(or whatever that was supposed to be?) about "that powerful Malfurion getting almost killed with an axe", same thing happened with Sylvanas, she received even smaller piece of metal that actually killer her, lol.

And if grandma had wheels she would have been a bike. Again, the scene in game happens whooping three seconds prior to in-game Saurfang slicing in-game Malfurion with in-game axe. Your attempts at forcing some significant time window (supposedly not shown in the story) here in order to explain the significant differences between the both versions of the fight does not pan out because that time window simply doesn't exist. Both versions show events happening immediately before Saurfang did his throw of honor. Both of these events happening immediately before Saurfang's throw (i.e. at the same time) are significantly different. Starting with the distance between Saurfang and Malfurion. As such the idea they don't contradict each other falls flat on its face.
If the events of the book are contradicting the events of the game and the books came later, then the in-game events aren't canon, yes. This shouldn't be complicated. Yet, it is for you. For "some" reason.

I am not forcing anything. I am just saying that things in the game and books can be slighty different but that doesn't mean the rest isn't canon. You're the one who's wrong here. It's' just obvious that some things are explained in books and others are explained in the game. The things that happened in the game are just as canon as the things that were happening in the books. It's impossible to present the whole war/fight in a few pages or in a few minutes of the game. They're not contradicting with each other. Things that wasn't explained in the novel were presented in the game and things that weren't in the game were presented in the novel.
It's like saying "Why there are 100 NPCs in the whole Orgrimmar while there are thousands of them in the real scale? "
You expect them to have the same scale in the game as in the book? Are you for real? Get a grip.

[ravenmoon]

So does this mean that I see lots of dead people every day?


Yeah, I liked the action in it.

And Tyrande. Tyrande! Its been a while since I've seen her in this (moon)light in a long long time. She was boomin.

Not to mention Elunes Power also made her tits bigger. That's the power of Elune as my guildie said it :P

You noticed the tits too.. I was like.. omg look at those knockers..

yeh.. it's the sort of ferocity I expect of night elf females in battle.

This has always set them apart.. you see, I never thought NElves were uncivilzied, because i read their lore of their great civilization etc, but I thought they were different from the other elves and humans because of how tenacious and ferocious the women were.

There soft female voices "we are ready mistress", in total contrast to when they charge into battle (like when confronting Grom).. Tyrande brooks no nonsense when she frees Illidan, killing wardens and a keeper to get it.. she felt gutsy, with a razor edge.. and WotA showed she had a very gentle priest-like side...

to me it is these contrasts that mark night elves and fascinate.

The men on the other hand are the opposite, they are mostly calm, calculated, and caster types (roles in fantasy usually held by women), but they are not womanised at all, because they are described as forces of nature of incredible strength and power when they get angry.

Which is what made wow classic weird. we didn't see the aggressive side ot he night elves, especially the female side. It was weird, you should get the impression the females are the military force and the priesthood are these awesome caster/fighters/rangers that lead the sentinel, warden and order of Elune - forceful and aggressive, though having their feminine side - just like Tyrande in this video.

so i was quite pleased to see Legion and BFA presentations, Wardens, sentinels in battle, hey looked tougher, also was lovely to see their civilization, and the Highborne, moonguard and Nightborne accurately representing their level of advancement, expertise and power in magic.

Finally the demon hunters were also great. I have always perceived the sentinels warriors and demon hunters are the really ferocious/savagely angry types (wardens/sentinels), but the druids are the really soft, benevolent types mostly, and mages the intellectual types - these mages and druids are mostly male. For females, it's the Moon Priestess leaders that have this more serene soft side, until they go all Tyrande type.

Mostly Males: mages, druids, demon hunters
Mostly females: Priests, warriors, hunters, rogues (warden)

[Jackstraw]

ITT: people started comparing plot armors.

Lads, bury that hatchet. Tyrande should have died much like Genn or the entire Alliance cast, the rule of cool superseded any common sense in the cutscenes.
I mean, Jaina showed feats to the level of dragonflight leaders in the Battle of the Undercity. Come the fuck on.

And @Eazy, if we want to discuss the overall mental state of people in any given sequence, if Sylvanas didn't fire any arrow when Genn and Tyrande both offered their backs in different occasions and is thus stoopid, then I'd have a much harsher evaluation of the thought process of a ten millennia old warrior priestess who can't even use a proper technique to constrain or otherwise rip (and tear?) limbs from an opponent in a mounting position.

[voidox]

People like you are the real problem though. We see them in plenty on fansites like mmo-champ - having unhealthy emotional attachment to the game and it's story and getting triggered whenever it doesn't go the way you wanted it to go.

Let people enjoy a fancy cinematic and side dish story (because story in MMORPG is exactly that and always has been just a background) without your dramatic overthinking of every tiny bit of it, ok?

or you can let people voice their criticisms of the writing and story

no one is asking for the story to "go their way", we want a better written story that makes sense. We are free to voice our opinions, so you can go elsewhere if you can't handle that

[Super Dickmann]

I see few ways to make sense of it all as well. If Elune didn't want Tyrande to die, why make her the Night Warrior in the first place given that it's an automatic death sentence? If instead she didn't want Sylvanas dead, why even buff Tyrande in the first place rather than just allow the banshee to flee? Does she want to give Tyrande some lesson about not letting rage overpower her? Still seems stupid because as someone said Sylvanas could then seemingly have killed a now vulnerable Tyrande had Ysera not intervened.

Elune being a troll is pretty much the most likely explanation, which does the story little credit.

Considering you later have to turn off Tyrande because she's overcharging with moon juice it makes even less sense and they would've been served just as well by swapping it around. Instead of running out of power Tyrande'd begin glowing more, you can have light effects around Sylvanas to get across that she's being fried then Tyrande loses control and looses her grip and Sylvanas takes this time to fuck off while Ysera has to step in to put Tyrande in stasis.

As for the explanation that isn't just plot contrivance necessitating the raid boss get out to be fought later like Garrosh vs. Taran Zhu, the in-story explanation can go one of two tracks. One is that Sylvanas is right and Elune's juice is running out, which given that in BFA Elune was seriously taxed blessing some random set of drums a quest NPC gives you could be possible, but isn't as Blizzard don't remember that quest and the follow-up implies Elune has a plan for the souls. The second explanation is that Elune deliberately depowered her so she could then apply that power later on, presumably with the help of the other nelf souls and that she did so because even if Tyrande had killed herself blasting Sylvanas that wouldn't have actually made a difference to the objective since Anduin would still have stolen the plot device and Sylvanas doesn't actually appear for the rest of the patch story until the raid anyway.

On an entirely different note, the framing of the cinematic much like Terror of Darkshore before it is strange in that it goes entirely against the rest of the storyline which beats the drum that being angry about your people being genocided is bad. The line about the wrath being all Tyrande's own and how Tyrande is actually entirely composed through most of it and has the upper hand psychologically until the plot juice runs out flies completely in the face of the excruciatingly long preceding chapters that have gone on and on about how she's irrational and acting because of outside factors. It's probably why I like both because only in them is Tyrande allowed agency as regards to her grievances. Right after the cutscenes she's back to being beat over the head about how she should be more nice and we all know her story this patch terminates with her embracing Anduinism.

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I liked it too. There wasn't a single moment in the fight where Sylvanas was winning. She was on the defense the whole time. Tyrande just shrugged off the chains that bound other strong heroes. I do think they they can't let Tyrande kill Sylvanas (and not the players) , especially in a cinematic, or the player base would riot.

Problem is, they most likely won't let the players do that either.

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as pointed out
when she does the star jump she says in darnassuin
"My life for hers"
and one of the big theories is elune cares for tyrande too much to make that deal, and so she refuses her the kill
"I care for you too much to accept that deal, I am not letting you give up your life for hers"

In such a crucial moment too. Imagine if Sylvanas just fucking shanked her there and then. Welp, there goes that plan... thanks Elune!