How advanced is Goblin's technology and science compared to Gnomish's one ?

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight]

How scientifically, chemically and technologically advanced are the Goblins in comparison to their rivals and Alliance counterparts that are the Gnomes ?

Are the Goblins' really equal to the Gnomes or are the Gnomes truly ahead of them in these areas ? What are the domains where Goblins are closest to or perhaps even more skilled and knowlegeable than Gnomes ? What are the domains where Gnomes are really better ?

What are the most advanced invention or weapon they have created ? What's the most technologically advanced invention made by Gnomes to compare ?

[Jackstraw]

I'd say about even.

In the Drustvar campaign we can see goblins and gnomes go toe to toe to about a stalemate up until Meccatorque confronts Gallywix, and Gallywix loses due to greed.

The usual conflict between the two is easily solved via their compared engineering: where the Goblins solve the problems via patch blasting, the Gnomes have an array of solutions at their disposal. Goblins are more ruthless in their approach, Gnomes are hyperfocused to the point of losing context of their surrounding.
Granted, to the Goblins the surroundings are nothing more than a collateral given that's bound to blow up with everything else should the need arise.

Most advanced? Eh, I'd say the mecha suit of Meccatorque for the Gnomes, and either the GMOD, the Mana Bomb (although that's a joint venture with the Blood Elves) or the earliest Azerite plans that the Alliance steals to deploy their own Azerite tanks.
If I could cheat I'd add some of the stuff Blackfuse made. A genius in his own right.

[Dhrizzle]

I'd say about even.

In the Drustvar campaign we can see goblins and gnomes go toe to toe to about a stalemate up until Meccatorque confronts Gallywix, and Gallywix loses due to greed.

The usual conflict between the two is easily solved via their compared engineering: where the Goblins solve the problems via patch blasting, the Gnomes have an array of solutions at their disposal. Goblins are more ruthless in their approach, Gnomes are hyperfocused to the point of losing context of their surrounding.
Granted, to the Goblins the surroundings are nothing more than a collateral given that's bound to blow up with everything else should the need arise.

Most advanced? Eh, I'd say the mecha suit of Meccatorque for the Gnomes, and either the GMOD, the Mana Bomb (although that's a joint venture with the Blood Elves) or the earliest Azerite plans that the Alliance steals to deploy their own Azerite tanks.
If I could cheat I'd add some of the stuff Blackfuse made. A genius in his own right.

I see it as Goblins having a "good enough" approach to tech while Gnomes think "never good enough."

[Syegfryed]

they said they are in the same levels, and they always try to "steal" things of the enemy.

BUT

Gnomish tech is more refined and safe, Goblin tech is more destructive power, including autodestruction.

[FelPlague]

How scientifically, chemically and technologically advanced are the Goblins in comparison to their rivals and Alliance counterparts that are the Gnomes ?

Are the Goblins' really equal to the Gnomes or are the Gnomes truly ahead of them in these areas ? What are the domains where Goblins are closest to or perhaps even more skilled and knowlegeable than Gnomes ? What are the domains where Gnomes are really better ?

What are the most advanced invention or weapon they have created ? What's the most technologically advanced invention made by Gnomes to compare ?

So there is actual multiple questlines that talk about this.

Gnomish technology is far more advanced, far less likely to fail.

but goblin technology is far more "officient"

Gnomes are better at making machines and technology like teleports and power armor.
but goblins are better at making guns and explosives.

so for example mekkatorque has his "P.L.O.T.ARMOUR" which makes him basically invulnerable, but its damage? not that high.
Gallywix has his "G.M.O.D." (Btw i love the names, so fucking funny) which can deal heavy damage and "riot control" but tanky wise? not that great, rattles and rumbles all the time, and cant take a beating well.


Think of it this way, gnomes make tanks, goblins make nukes. gnomes make teleporters, goblins make death rays.
that is the best way to say it.

yes gnomes are technically more advanced, but goblins are also advanced in their own way, being experts of explosives and destruction, while at the same time not caring if things break down.

you can make a car go MUCH faster then fancy sports car if you don't care about "it may fucking explode and break down at this speed"

[melzas]

The story portrays goblin and gnome engieering as "about even in power" though for different reasons.

That one quest in Exlie's Reach sums it up great - On alliance version, gnome gives you a "boar enlarger ray", you test it 3 times to tune it up, then get yourself huge boar to trample ogres. On Horde side the plan is the same - goblin gives you an enlarger but it malfunctions into some kind of death ray and the goblin is like "screw enlarging boars, let's just zap them to death".

They both get the job done with engineering, but their methods are quite... different.

[Razion]

There are a lot of quests with Goblin and Gnome engineering rivalry.

It's pretty cemented that the two races are constantly at odds trying to out-invent each other.

One will call the other's technology worse only for you to interact with the other one and to find out they're badmouthing the other's.

We find often that their engineering is a little bit like differing ideologies.

The best examples of these types of quest are in the Thousand Needles and Tanaris. On the Speedbarge, and in Gadgetzan, you will find Gnomes and Goblins fighting for supremacy in engineering.

So far to date the most dangerous invention of the Gnomes and Goblins would probably have to be the mech suits of Gallywix and Gelbin respectively -- both represented and used powers far deadlier and more catastrophic than any other invention to date. Yes, even more powerful than the bomb that hit Theramore. Azerite was this influential and dangerous to the war effort. It being the prime ingredient that allegedly destroys N'Zoth and put an end to the Black Empire, you can see how dangerous these kinds of mechs and inventions are in totality. Old Gods can be world-level threats, and already these mechs wield powers comparable enough to potentially destroy them with enough of it. The only other Goblin or Gnomish inventions that really come close that I can remember would be the inventions that "increase the size" of a person, when in reality from context we know that these inventions are likely shrinking the entire world instead. And, considering the strength of a world like Azeroth, shrinking it and everything on it all at once (or even, potentially, the rest of the universe) would be quite the feat indeed. For further clarification, such inventions have been said to be involved with one of the infamous questlines, "The Day Deathwing Came." Though, this quest is largely parody in nature, we have seem other instances of such technology being used before - so its potential shown in this quest to be involved with having enough influence to exert a fair match against Deathwing would put this kind of technology on the world-breaker level as well.

You could probably also argue that inventions that "turn things inside out" might be among some of the more deadly inventions as against any kind of mortal foe this would mean instant death. These are also very dangerous.

But I think in terms of power source, in terms of potential, the Azerite mechs carry the most raw output considering the infinite scaling of the source power literally being Azeroth and its blood - similar to that of the Well of Eternity. The Azerite mechs may be comparable to something like, say, the combined might of all the Moon Guard, for example. But that'd just be some personal speculation, there. Still, compared to someone like Illidan or Arthas I wouldn't think the mechs would be anything of a match for them at their prime potential, but the mechs can theoretically keep scaling up with Azerite... kind of like how Illidan or Arthas can scale up in their own ways as well. In terms of Gnomish and Goblin engineering, I think Azerite application represents the greatest of feats they've been able to ever harness.

But if we really want to be granular, a lot of the Titan facilities around Azeroth are by Mimiron, a kind of mecha gnome. His inventions, like the Reorigination Beam, is a world-threat as well. Consistently the mechagnomes of Ulduar have made threats far more powerful than regular Gnomish kind. By extention, with Gnomes and Goblins so close normally, we could extrapolate and say that the mecha gnomes of Ulduar would be superior to both.

[Hobbidaggy]

Goblins are smart with the finesse of a hammer. Gnomes are smart, prone to failure, but the finesse of a surgeon. Both combined are a force to be reckoned with. Look at that couple the goblin and gnome one from Before the storm novel. Apart they were good and could do great things. Together they were unstoppable.

[Garymorilix]

They are pretty much equal.

Gnomes have a "sci-fi" theme to their technology.
Gobling have an "industrial" theme to theirs.

As we can see these are very successful design choices by Blizzard, hence the existence of this thread.

The only difference between the two is that while Gnomes prefer reliable tech, Goblins are willing to give up some safety for that extra oomph of power.
In-game they have been shown to be exactly even during recent expansions.

But let's not forget to mention that while Gnomes still couldn't figure out how to re-habitate Gnomeregan the Goblins still have a massive inter-continental cannon in Azshara aimed at Stormwind that is fully functional.

[Selastan]

Goblins. Gnomes don't even understand how a samophlange works.

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

Dwarven engineering. It just werks and isn't overengineered or spontaneously explodes in your face because you bumped the wrong thing. Mortars, tanks, big rifles and maybe one day they'll figure out machine guns.

[VinceVega]

Right now they can go to to toe.
But the goblins are regressing right now due to the lack of the mineral that gave them the higher brainpower in the first place.
So give it a few years and they are basically apes again while the gnomes are titan creatures who do not regress back into anything.

[Alanar]

They are even for obvious reasons...

[masterjc]

How scientifically, chemically and technologically advanced are the Goblins in comparison to their rivals and Alliance counterparts that are the Gnomes ?

Are the Goblins' really equal to the Gnomes or are the Gnomes truly ahead of them in these areas ? What are the domains where Goblins are closest to or perhaps even more skilled and knowlegeable than Gnomes ? What are the domains where Gnomes are really better ?

What are the most advanced invention or weapon they have created ? What's the most technologically advanced invention made by Gnomes to compare ?

for gameplay reasons,they are equal with small differences. mostly if both races are used as antagonists or concurrents of each other
for example
Mechagon
Thousand Needles
and some similar stuff

Goblins seem to be more skilled in Explosions and alchemy, than Gnomes
while Gnomes seem to build more safe and stable constructs.

if we take whole warcraft franchise, gnomes seem to be better engineers,as their creations last better

Gnomes use flying machines and submarines in wc2 while goblins help horde by adding rockets to captured sea turtles.
and both races use scouting zeppelins

wc3 goblins still go for destruction. use explosives (goblin mines and sappers), flying (zeppelins), mecha suits (shredders and tinker's ultimate robogoblin)
while gnomes use flying (flying machines that can scout and fight)

in wow goblins produce cars and trikes. both can make bikes
and gnomes use mechastriders
which seem pretty higher tech for me

goblins continue use excavators and shredders zeppelins and lots of explosives
whike gnomish inventions are more unique
also when not using GvG format, gnomish bases have some lazer guns, airfields and lots of defensive and domestic robots which are automatic
goblins can build rockets (area 52 and azshara) and their inventions manage to increase Intellect (kajacola. experiment nine) and these rockets seem to able to fly (exp. 9 uses it to leave azshara and fly to cosmos) probably only place where goblins beat gnones is rockets for space and explosions

gnomes seem to be much clever

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight]

for gameplay reasons,they are equal with small differences. mostly if both races are used as antagonists or concurrents of each other
for example
Mechagon
Thousand Needles
and some similar stuff

Goblins seem to be more skilled in Explosions and alchemy, than Gnomes
while Gnomes seem to build more safe and stable constructs.

if we take whole warcraft franchise, gnomes seem to be better engineers,as their creations last better

Gnomes use flying machines and submarines in wc2 while goblins help horde by adding rockets to captured sea turtles.
and both races use scouting zeppelins

wc3 goblins still go for destruction. use explosives (goblin mines and sappers), flying (zeppelins), mecha suits (shredders and tinker's ultimate robogoblin)
while gnomes use flying (flying machines that can scout and fight)

in wow goblins produce cars and trikes. both can make bikes
and gnomes use mechastriders
which seem pretty higher tech for me

goblins continue use excavators and shredders zeppelins and lots of explosives
whike gnomish inventions are more unique
also when not using GvG format, gnomish bases have some lazer guns, airfields and lots of defensive and domestic robots which are automatic
goblins can build rockets (area 52 and azshara) and their inventions manage to increase Intellect (kajacola. experiment nine) and these rockets seem to able to fly (exp. 9 uses it to leave azshara and fly to cosmos) probably only place where goblins beat gnones is rockets for space and explosions

gnomes seem to be much clever

I agree Gnomes are imo smarter and more advanced in pure engineering and science, though Goblins seem more practical in the military use of their inventions and weapons given their greedy, mercantile and more ruthless mindset with them being focused on getting results with their inventions so they will be able of selling them or using them to get gold and treasures while Gnomes are more focused on research, and the possible effects and uses of their inventions.

It also means that gnomish inventions are generally safer to use than goblins' ones but that when they backfire it's more spectacular and dangerous that a simple explosion.

This is also one of the reasons why Gnomes' partnership with the Dwarves is so good and useful as Dwarves are generally more level-headed and pragmatic than their cousins, and so help their cousins focus on the more pragmatic uses of their inventions.

[Grazrug]

They should be about equal.