Twitch no longer credible?

[GreatNameForSmurfingExTee]

Twitch is an American video live streaming service that focuses on video game live streaming, including broadcasts of esports competitions. In addition, it offers music broadcasts, creative content, and more "in real life" streams.

Twitch used to be Justin.tv which was much like the category “Just Chatting” where people streamed anything they wanted. As Twitch has evolved they realized that people want to stream their real life activities, so a category “In Real Life” (IRL) was created for them.

If I'm not mistaken, Just Chatting is a category since 2016. Why does it bother you now?

What can you see? Live Streams. Don't wanna see Girl's talking? Don't click it. Easy as that.

[Razorice]

Twitch isn't a "game streaming platform" and hasn't been for years.
Personally I don't care because it doesn't affect me in any way.

[bluesock]

In other words, YOU HAD TO ACTUALLY PLAY GAMES.

As background noise? It being effectively the same. Twitch has evolved past gaming streams only years ago, it's been a general streaming site for so long now.

Ive given this much thought actually and from watching famous streamers...at least...in my perception...i see them being something they are not all the freaking time.
I dont think many people have the luxury to just "be yourself" on stream and be famous.

You have to become someone you are not normally...

From my perspective...at least thats what it seems to be happening

Well, yeah. I don't think there's a single person out there that has a default persona of perpetual entertainment. Of course a lot of people adapt exaggerated personas when streaming. Not many are "fake" from what I've seen, just more energetic than usual. Streamers like xQc and Asmongold, are cocaine versions of their normal selves on stream. But personalities like Dr Disrespect take on a whole new character.

Bottom line is, you can't expect to be an entertainer without putting in the effort to be entertaining.

[Azerate]

Twitch wants to be a streaming platform, rather than a game streaming platform. It makes much more sense from almost any kind of point of view you can think of. If that makes it less credible in your eyes...too bad.

YouTube is also not gaming only and somehow everyone is fine with watching videos on it. I don't get the problem.

[Fitsu]

Twitch, the premier games streaming platform, is the embodiment of everything wrong with gaming today. It has gotten too mainstream.

The top most viewed "game" on Twitch is 'Just Chatting'... so, not a game. The platform has basically become a test of who has the most real life skills (confidence, charisma, bewbs) rather than in-game skills... The top 1% streamers are so detached from the norm that it's like real-life capitalism. Okay, it is real-life capitalism. The top 1% are making millions, while most of the streamers are not even getting a 10th of that viewership. Celebrities start up Twitch and get an instant 1k viewers, while hard-working people streaming for months are struggling to break 20 viewers.

Has Twitch become a microcosm of everything wrong with gaming today?

Twitch has always been a popularity contest? People are watching it to be entertained, outside of tourmaments or world 1st races almost nobody is watching someone stream 12 hours of CS:GO or League because there really good. You might watch a clip but the people you stick with are the people you like watching.

The weird porn stuff that's going on I do whole-heartedly disagree with but otherwise Twitch to me seems the same as it's ever been. Games still make up the majority of the viewership, like ok the top is "Just Chatting" but for 1. You've picked a time when the majority of big streamers are not streaming and 2. comparing the viewer base which is playing games vs isn't games still come out on top.

[Ivarr]

The platform should strictly be for gaming and creation (tutorials and Arts), and everything else banned.

Twitch takes a share of the donations and the thotts get those more than the gamers.

[Rennadrel]

Why are you guys so quick to defame the girls? The Chosen Few guys are pulling in 10k viewers by "reacting" to video clips. Twitch is so unfair.

Women have it a lot easier on Twitch than guys do when it comes to getting viewers. Males are the dominant viewer crowd on Twitch, it is also VERY easy for women to get their attention just by dressing and acting provocatively. Like, a lot of these Just Chatting streamers are some of the most vapid and talentless people on the internet.

Twitch is a platform of double standards, hypocrites and there's a lot of complete whackjobs on there as well. This is the same site that has promoted people with some serious mental illnesses to their community safety council, meanwhile the entire site is still a dumpster fire of people who don't follow the rules and the admins not enforcing rules equally.

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Twitch wants to be a streaming platform, rather than a game streaming platform. It makes much more sense from almost any kind of point of view you can think of. If that makes it less credible in your eyes...too bad.

YouTube is also not gaming only and somehow everyone is fine with watching videos on it. I don't get the problem.

YouTube didn't start off as a gaming streaming platform, and has never attempted to market itself as that exclusively. And at least when it comes to standards of behavior and attire by people who stream on YouTube, they at least hold everyone to the same standards of being appropriate.

[Saltysquidoon]

1. When was twitch credible? Like legit twitch chat has always been a cesspool
2. They need to take all the ASMR ear fucking cam girl shit onto another website, it's really skeevy to target teenage boys by hiding softcore cam girl nonsense on a 'videogame' website.
3. This has nothing to do with the girls, the market is there grab that bag (hell maybe play some video games while you reach your 'dance' subgoal). But they should be regulated to a website that owns that style of content.
4. Parasocial relationships are going to screw up zoomers.

[cozzri]

Both. Twitch is an example of what's wrong with the gaming industry.

Games becoming mainstream is a huge problem. Investors flocked to it, and now it's about spreadsheets and not creative and innovative -- fun -- design.

Twitch is owned by Amazon, so you can't really expect anything less out out of them. The best you can do is be mindful of which developers, services, etc. have sold out and went corporate. There's plenty of game companies out there that have private investors and make games just fine; it's the publicly traded companies you have to look out for and avoid; companies with public oversight are almost always required to maximize profits for shareholders, this is where you start to see the downward spiral of most gaming developers with game issues like scope, creativity, storytelling, art, etc. etc. To be completely honest, we were blessed with Blizzard receiving as much autonomy for as long as it did. The shuttering of blizzard north pretty much says it all; corporate shut down an amazing studio to consolidate and increase numbers; the necessary evil to boost profits.

[VinceVega]

A gamer is a gamer is a gamer.

Horny bastards all of them. Look how they react if there is a female character in a game that is NOT a supermodel. Bam! SJW reeeeee

The gaming community is sadly quite focused on boobs. And the Weebs even more so. There you have the common thotstream watcher of twitch. Blowing money away on those girls sitting in a bathtub.

And honestly i cannot even be mad about those girls. That is incredibly easy money.

So... i don't think twitch is to blame or should do anything against it. They should even lessen the rules imho.

[OokOok]

Not trying to turn this into a sexuality discussion, just trying to highlight that luck is the deciding factor of success on that platfom.

It really has nothing to do with luck, it's all about your connections or your appearance. If your friends with Asmongold or in that little click you know... Soda...asmon...mizkif...esfand... then your stream will build all on it's own. Mconnel or whatever his name is doesn't even stream and he has over 2000 subs cause he plays WoW with Asmongold, literally doesn't stream.

Women? Have a nice face, have a body you have no issue showing off, and do something that grabs attention and your stream will build on it's own. Indiefoxx, she's not wrong, she did do normal streaming for awhile like 1-2 years and she could barely break 100 viewers, then she started the hottub meta and blew up. That's not luck, it's called starting a trend and using your body. If Indiefoxx was overweight or ugly she never would of got anywhere

[Rennadrel]

A gamer is a gamer is a gamer.

Horny bastards all of them. Look how they react if there is a female character in a game that is NOT a supermodel. Bam! SJW reeeeee

Ah yes, that's why dudes love badass but still feminine looking girls with muscles like Cammy, Chu Li and Sonya Blade

I do enjoy seeing people like you overreacting because some people didn't like one fucking character in one fucking game and start generalizing a whole group of people because some hated it while arrogantly ignoring all of the other characters in the industry that people actually like that are similar.

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It really has nothing to do with luck, it's all about your connections or your appearance. If your friends with Asmongold or in that little click you know... Soda...asmon...mizkif...esfand... then your stream will build all on it's own. Mconnel or whatever his name is doesn't even stream and he has over 2000 subs cause he plays WoW with Asmongold, literally doesn't stream.

Women? Have a nice face, have a body you have no issue showing off, and do something that grabs attention and your stream will build on it's own. Indiefoxx, she's not wrong, she did do normal streaming for awhile like 1-2 years and she could barely break 100 viewers, then she started the hottub meta and blew up. That's not luck, it's called starting a trend and using your body. If Indiefoxx was overweight or ugly she never would of got anywhere

It's funny though. Twitter feminists would have you believe that sexy females aren't allowed in video games and need to be covered up yet Twitch thots objectifying themselves is somehow empowering and shouldn't be criticized for being mediocre softcore porn.

[Azerox]

I see Twitch as the platform for noobs.
All people i know that watch streams have no skill in games.

[Sorshen]

Was it ever? It's softcore porn & millionaires creating drama now.

[Clbull]

Twitch losing credibility? Haven't they been slowing doing that over the past few years anyway. Their ban policies show serious double standards and hypocrisies.

It's a shame that Microsoft pulled the plug on Mixer. I think if they took even half the money they spent on Shroud and Ninja to sign exclusivity deals with dozens of smaller streamers, they'd have a niche. Nobody's going to tune in for one or two lesser stars, especially when all the other streams have like... 5 viewers at most.

Then again, everything about Mixer screamed "Twitch clone", even down to their very partner program. I think if they made their program easier to access and had lowered criteria, more new and upcoming streamers would have been active there.

[Saltysquidoon]

It really has nothing to do with luck, it's all about your connections or your appearance.

Any sort of career that relies on fame always has some element of luck, having connections and being hot can carry you a loooooong way but at the end of the day if you make your play at the wrong time or with the wrong content or if you're just boring it can all fall over.

I'm sure for every non streaming friend of Asmonbald with 2000 subs there's a graveyard of other 'streamer friends' who tried it and never got more than 100 veiwers. I bet for every ASMR titty streamer with 8000 veiwers there's 100 with 8.

[Chilela]

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The top most viewed "game" on Twitch is 'Just Chatting'... so, not a game.[quote]

The other 13 games in that top 14 appear to be games. So there's that.

(As an aside, IDK how LoL still gets high viewer numbers, watching people play it honestly made me lose any interest in actually trying it myself)

The platform has basically become a test of who has the most real life skills (confidence, charisma, bewbs) rather than in-game skills...

This has been the case for years now. People generally value personality over raw skill in terms of watching streams for entertainment.

The top 1% streamers are so detached from the norm that it's like real-life capitalism. Okay, it is real-life capitalism. The top 1% are making millions, while most of the streamers are not even getting a 10th of that viewership.

I think this is pretty much any big content creation site, or, heck, even the Internet as a whole. There's no shortage of alternate platforms of any given type, but few can actually keep a sustainable level of users. Similarly, there's no shortage of content creators, but people will rather just go with what is already known. Real unfortunate, there's some real gems in the rough, you just have to dig a bit to find them.

Celebrities start up Twitch and get an instant 1k viewers, while hard-working people streaming for months are struggling to break 20 viewers.

That's because they're already well-known. For the streamers you speak of, the gods of fate just haven't blessed them with that "big break". That's just reality.

Has Twitch become a microcosm of everything wrong with gaming today?

Yes, but in a different way, IMO. For me, it's more stuff like changing one of the site's most iconic emotes because the person depicted had a wrongthink, or the banning of terms like Simp. Incidentally, these things are both also a result of how mainstream the platform, and gaming in general, have become. I can deal with people using it for nonsense reasons, but their rules of engagement are making me seek out other platforms, should I ever decide to stream.

Side note, (relatively unmoderated) chat is one of the few redeeming factors of the site at this point (See also: E3).

[Bigbazz]

Twitch, the premier games streaming platform, is the embodiment of everything wrong with gaming today. It has gotten too mainstream.



The top most viewed "game" on Twitch is 'Just Chatting'... so, not a game. The platform has basically become a test of who has the most real life skills (confidence, charisma, bewbs) rather than in-game skills... The top 1% streamers are so detached from the norm that it's like real-life capitalism. Okay, it is real-life capitalism. The top 1% are making millions, while most of the streamers are not even getting a 10th of that viewership. Celebrities start up Twitch and get an instant 1k viewers, while hard-working people streaming for months are struggling to break 20 viewers.

Has Twitch become a microcosm of everything wrong with gaming today?

There has never been a time where streaming wasn't a popularity contest, the only difference is it became more about money over time.

[notJoyful]

The fact that that categories is an option just means you can easily weed out what you don't want to see. People that feel that this is a big issue is always hilarious to me since it literally means nothing except more traffic to the platform....

[Onikaroshi]

The way I see it, Twitch is a streaming platform. It gained its popularity because of videogames, which, being an interactive, and often online, medium, is logical. But people have since created all kinds of content around the concept of live streaming, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I think they should definitely separate certain kinds of content (bewbs) into its own thing. Possibly even a different website. Use the existing restricted content rules for the current platform, and take all the softcore stuff into a Twitch-branded camsite, which could then allow more explicit content, and earn them a ton of money along the way.

They're trying to have their cake and eat it at the same time with unclear, often hypocritical rulings: "Sponsors wouldn't like us to allow porn into our platform, but thousands of people throwing money at girls in bikinis is fine".

Other than that, I have no issue with people streaming themselves chatting, studying, eating, drawing or whatever.

Twitch used to have rules and standards, you couldn't stream yourself not gaming for long or you'd be taken offline, you had to be playing games.

That said, I don't go around twitch looking for things to piss me off, I stick to streamers I like.