They're hardly getting away scott free? They're getting the same type of fines Google and Facebook are getting. What do you want? To close the business as punishment? The goal is not to destroy them, the goal is to make them follow rules. And we'll start throwing CEOs in jail when you start booking Zuckerberg. Go ahead, you start.
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It's the company's money not theirs, if they don't have a succession plan they don't deserve to be in business. The united state broken and unfair judicial system is not something to aspire to. If that's the type of too rich to jail system you want then I guess everything is fine.
My point is if this was a small business the ceo would be headed to jail no one would be giving them a slap on the wrist.
The issue here, to make this clear, is not price-fixing. The only thing that happened is that these companies talked about tank sizes for the catalysator agent. And apparently, according to VW, those talks never led to any actual design implementations. These companies got punished merely for talking to each other.
Think about what you're asking for here. You want the CEO of the biggest automaker on the planet (they are constantly fighting with Toyota over the title, but I think currently they are it) for talking to a competitor.
This is Pandorra's box. Especially since many of these automakers work together to improve things for the consumer. Especially in the fields of car safety.
I think you are overreacting and quite possibly still out to late-punish VW for Dieselgate. A scandal for which people did go to jail.
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Which crime?
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You are right those poor executives had no intent or knowledge in the whole debacle they are innocent by the way I have this bridge for sale you seem to be type of person who would buy it.
I am sorry I couldn't help it you just walked into that one on a serious note though since you look to the American justice system for guidance this is fine.
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They just talked! Nothing was implemented! Do you understand these words? Blink twice if yes!
Edit: Amazing, I just found out that this forum has an actual caps lock filter. That's pretty fucking funny.
Also edit: Without any design changes happening due to these talks, there is no criminal action. The only intent you have for your ficticious criminal fraud charge is... intent to talk. That's not enough. If I ask you if you could steal a car for me and you say "Sure, I could do it... I know how to break into a car." and then I go "Fine, good to know!" that's not you nor I colluding in Grand Theft Auto. That's us having probably the most useless conversation in the history of crime...
Also, also edit: Putting the CEO in jail wouldn't change anything. Companies like Volkswagen are family-run businesses. You need to understand that your American turbo capitalist metrics do not work in Germany.
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Not sure why y'all are claiming this besides as a face saving measure.
VW and BMW already made the calculus here, and that is their gain by breaching the regulation exceeded the potential losses due to fines. If the fine were actually threatening to a company's bottom line then it would be more than a sufficient deterrent. See: Google and Microsoft bending the knee regarding GDPR.
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Better question is why you think it's okay for rich people to get away with breaking the law as long as they have employees to hide behind.
BMW doesn't create the demand for its products. If it goes belly up, another company will take its place, which is how it should work in instances where business practice results in either insolvency or worse, lawbreaking - if it's too big to fail, it's too big to exist.
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Nothing was implemented because Daimler ratted everybody out before they had a chance to implement it. There is such a thing as conspiracy to commit a crime, even if the crime itself didn't end up taking place.
Yes, I'm sure that was the entire extent of their discussions/collusion
No idea what you're on about here, but putting the lead people who are responsible in jail would most certainly make things like this less likely to happen in the future.
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When u was younger I couldn't tell the difference between VW and BMW. Makes sense.
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