Florida passes bill asking students to disclose political affiliation

[Elegiac]

I agree with you completely

Then stop complaining about a non-issue.

"I had to use my brain in English class one time" is in no way a reasonable premise to conclude "classrooms run the risk becoming a cesspit of political infighting".

[Cthulhu 2020]

Or, you don't like the implications, that you too favor politically charged indoctrination, just you know for your team, because you fight valiantly for your team, and your team is good and if someone isn't cheerleading for your team than they are evil incarnate.



AH, yes, of course, you'd never say that outright, or very few of you would. Your problem is with parents who aren't dutiful voters for your brand identity... I mean party. People whose views or cultural habits are not amicable to you and who are aesthetically unpleasant for whatever reason.

You guys define everyone outside of your clique as 'bigots', you might as well have said 'Look we aren't destroying the Middle East! We are just fighting terrorists! You aren't pro-terrorist are you!"

You guys do love your weaselly language tricks. And I do admire it, its a nice skill.

Theo. Enough with the devil's advocate. There's a point where you just go too far and look really really bad. Again, nobody is arguing any of the things you claim they are. You've created the most ridiculous of situations where, once again, it is only the most severe and ridiculous of conclusions. Nobody is arguing the things you say they are. That you have created this really extreme, ridiculous argument that nobody is making is the literal definition of what a strawman is.

[Theodarzna]

Theo. Enough with the devil's advocate. There's a point where you just go too far and look really really bad. Again, nobody is arguing any of the things you claim they are. You've created the most ridiculous of situations where, once again, it is only the most severe and ridiculous of conclusions. Nobody is arguing the things you say they are. That you have created this really extreme, ridiculous argument that nobody is making is the literal definition of what a strawman is.

I will always look bad in your eyes for not being a super gung how Democratic Party cheerleader, so I don't really care what I am in the eyes of you and people who post here. The idea of ever getting good faith responses does not even enter my mind here.

[unfilteredJW]

I will always look bad in your eyes for not being a super gung how Democratic Party cheerleader, so I don't really care what I am in the eyes of you and people who post here. The idea of ever getting good faith responses does not even enter my mind here.

Giant. Eyeroll.

[shimerra]

I will always look bad in your eyes for not being a super gung how Democratic Party cheerleader, so I don't really care what I am in the eyes of you and people who post here. The idea of ever getting good faith responses does not even enter my mind here.

And since I feel I'll have to explain it, I mean your victim card. Jesus Christ. From the person who acts like any time they stub their toe the cause could only be that Nancy Pelsoi must have broken into their house and moved their furniture around you really have zero room to complain.


I'll explain the actual issue most have with you, and it's not the strawman you've made to justify your massive victim complex. It's the lies, excuse making for objectively bad conservative behavior while crucifying any dem, arguing in bad faith, and plagiarism. All while you complain that people who call you out on this are just mad you don't have your bumper covered wall to wall with DNC bumper stickers.

[Endus]

And since I feel I'll have to explain it, I mean your victim card. Jesus Christ. From the person who acts like any time they stub their toe the cause could only be that Nancy Pelsoi must have broken into their house and moved their furniture around you really have zero room to complain.

I'll explain the actual issue most have with you, and it's not the strawman you've made to justify your massive victim complex. It's the lies, excuse making for objectively bad conservative behavior while crucifying any dem, arguing in bad faith, and plagiarism. All while you complain that people who call you out on this are just mad you don't have your bumper covered wall to wall with DNC bumper stickers.

Hell, I'm not even American. I'm Canadian. And a socialist at that. What allegiance would you think I have with the frakking Democrats? I'll shit all over people like Manchin. I'm not exactly a fan of Biden. About the only Democrats I really like are people like AOC and the Squad, and even there, they're pretty middle-of-the-road and only stand out because of how right-wing the Democrats generally lean.

[Masark]

Some CRT proponents make some very good points, that should be listened to. Some are mad. Some buy into it and do stupid stuff like this.

Reading and giving any credence to the Moonie Times is an exceedingly stupid thing to do, but I fail to see how "buying into" critical race theory would lead to that.

[Flarelaine]

Also, who the fuck thinks kids have real political leanings? Maybe the grade 12s if there's an election the year they're turning 18.

Most of us at my high school were pretty immersed in politics right from the start. I could claim it was because I started high school the year we had our first multi-party elections in half a century, so it was pretty much all around us - but then, politics are all around all the time now.

[Beefhammer]

For K-12 students? Probably not, as they're not adults, and don't have full freedoms. Also, who the fuck thinks kids have real political leanings? Maybe the grade 12s if there's an election the year they're turning 18.

For college students? Questionably, and they'd certainly have the ability to respond with stuff like "Jedi" or "post-libertocialist conservibal" if it were.

As somone who was reading newspapers in middle school, I was politically aware at 11-12 years old and it was pretty apparent Republicans and conservative ideals were shit. Assuming kids before 12th grade don't have political leanings is pretty naive especially in today's climate.

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Most of us at my high school were pretty immersed in politics right from the start. I could claim it was because I started high school the year we had our first multi-party elections in half a century, so it was pretty much all around us - but then, politics are all around all the time now.

Politics are tightly interwoven into life and have been forever. People just choose to ignore it.

[Draco-Onis]

As somone who was reading newspapers in middle school, I was politically aware at 11-12 years old and it was pretty apparent Republicans and conservative ideals were shit. Assuming kids before 12th grade don't have political leanings is pretty naive especially in today's climate.

Politics are tightly interwoven into life and have been forever. People just choose to ignore it.

Mathematically you are not the average teenager, even when you go older the least politically active people are the young 18-24 year old bracket.

[ScipioMoroder]

Mathematically you are not the average teenager, even when you go older the least politically active people are the young 18-24 year old bracket.

Most people are not very political, older people often have the time and resources to be moreso, but even then generally I find most people refrain from political discussion. However, I would say most people begin to develop their political and ethical ideals in their adolescence, and I would even go as far as to say it's a part of the developmental process from child-to-adolescent-to-young adult.

Granted this, this is entirely anecdotal, but based on observing pretty much everyone I grew up with, most people within my generation and right before seem to have began developing political beliefs between the ages of 13 and 16.

[Fugus]

Most people are not very political, older people often have the time and resources to be moreso, but even then generally I find most people refrain from political discussion. However, I would say most people begin to develop their political and ethical ideals in their adolescence, and I would even go as far as to say it's a part of the developmental process from child-to-adolescent-to-young adult.

Granted this, this is entirely anecdotal, but based on observing pretty much everyone I grew up with, most people within my generation and right before seem to have began developing political beliefs between the ages of 13 and 16.

It’s not just you. It has been studied. People’s political beliefs typically are established before their mid 20s and don’t change much after that outside of major events that force their views to adjust.

The whole, “people get more conservative as they got older” stuff was completely wrong, what they saw wasn’t people getting more conservative as they got older, it was conservatives just getting older.

Remember, the Republicans have lost every presidential election by will of the people but 1 since 1988 and that was Bush Jrs second term riding the coattails of 911.

[Beefhammer]

Mathematically you are not the average teenager, even when you go older the least politically active people are the young 18-24 year old bracket.

Least active sure. But claiming they aren't political or don't have leanings is just not true.

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Most people are not very political, older people often have the time and resources to be moreso, but even then generally I find most people refrain from political discussion. However, I would say most people begin to develop their political and ethical ideals in their adolescence, and I would even go as far as to say it's a part of the developmental process from child-to-adolescent-to-young adult.

Granted this, this is entirely anecdotal, but based on observing pretty much everyone I grew up with, most people within my generation and right before seem to have began developing political beliefs between the ages of 13 and 16.

My daughter's graduating class this year of 500, many of them were in political groups in school dating back to their freshman years. It starts early, especially these days with 24/7 information, instant access to it all and the recent attention to the political landscape directly affecting teens.

[Draco-Onis]

Least active sure. But claiming they aren't political or don't have leanings is just not true.

You have a lot of leanings sure but your brain and body is yet to be fully formed until 21-25ish, a lot of your views are rather fluid.

[Beefhammer]

You have a lot of leanings sure but your brain and body is yet to be fully formed until 21-25ish, a lot of your views are rather fluid.

I don't disagree but of all the people I know that leaned one way as teens, only 1 changed.

[Draco-Onis]

I don't disagree but of all the people I know that leaned one way as teens, only 1 changed.

It probably doesn't help that the educational system is pretty awful when it comes to political identification. Heck most adults don't get the difference between a social democrat and a democratic socialist. It's always black and white capitalism best everything else bad not a lot of nuance teachings.

[Edge-]

It's always black and white capitalism best everything else bad not a lot of nuance teachings.

FACEBOOK IS WHAT SOCIALISM IS LIKE!

But...it's literally a capitalist company operating in a capitalist environment...

okbuddy

[ScipioMoroder]

You have a lot of leanings sure but your brain and body is yet to be fully formed until 21-25ish, a lot of your views are rather fluid.

While it is true that the frontal lobe isn't fully pruned until 25, most of your mental capacity is on par with adults at around 15-16. A lot of your views and personality actually form under 25, and once you turn around 25-30 you're brain actually begins to slow down and relies heavily on what you processed between the ages of 15-24.

[Levelfive]

Facebook is a monument to the gullibility of the electorate, really. If people weren't so quick to believe everything they read on Facebook, politics might not be quite the mess it is at the moment...then again, who knows for sure?

There are dumb, shitty, gullible people on the right and left--what's happening on the right is buy-in. In other words, they're on board with the lies, regardless of how preposterous or crazy, as long as it's in furtherance of the white nationalist authoritarian project. The persistent and condescending idea that it's primarily rubes and suckers is blinding people to what's really going on.