Sanctum of Domination Race to World First

[Barzotti]

Nerzhul alone will take average guilds 50+ pulls and thats only 4th boss...you can't make a raid that will take Limit more than 2 weeks without it being impossible. Dunno how there's still people that haven't realized this by now.

Limit didn't upgrade their legendaries yet, didn't do heroic splits, didn't do M+15 for 236 ilvl items and I'm not sure if they opened their vault. They still have a lot of potential power increase. Their overall ilvl for Nerzhul was only 231.

[Kallisto]

Nerzhul alone will take average guilds 50+ pulls and thats only 4th boss...you can't make a raid that will take Limit more than 2 weeks without it being impossible. Dunno how there's still people that haven't realized this by now.

Because it's the same as the temporarily embarrassed millionaire effect. They genuinely don't believe that they are that far behind Limit/Echo etc. It's the "Well I could do it but I xyz." mentality looking for any excuse why they are so far behind outside of their own skill or their raids overall skill.

[MrPaladinGuy]

Ermahgurd they finally brought Hunters in.

[antelope591]

Limit didn't upgrade their legendaries yet, didn't do heroic splits, didn't do M+15 for 236 ilvl items and I'm not sure if they opened their vault. They still have a lot of potential power increase. Their overall ilvl for Nerzhul was only 231.

I'm talking purely from a co-ordination standpoint, it will be a hard fight for most guilds. So then the only argument is "make the numbers so high its impossible below a certain ilvl". Which is a dumb way to tune stuff.

[DazManianDevil]

Because it's the same as the temporarily embarrassed millionaire effect. They genuinely don't believe that they are that far behind Limit/Echo etc. It's the "Well I could do it but I xyz." mentality looking for any excuse why they are so far behind outside of their own skill or their raids overall skill.

I run into this all the time. Buddy of mine doesn't appreciate how hard he carries his guild's dps, until I point out their kill times are a full 2 minutes slower than another similarly progressed guild.
Their dps are straight awful and can't even see it.

[Popsickle]

Ermahgurd they finally brought Hunters in.

Came just to let you know!

[Jdance]

yeah so everyone is memeing hunters but i havent seen any yellow classes in how long?

[Jastall]

I think you vastly overestimate / underestimate the players.

No, we're living in reality where the vast majority of even Mythic guilds can't hold a candle to the skill, knowledge, organization and preparation of the very top guilds. A boss that takes them a month+ would be, like, original M KJ without any nerf or slight nerfs, and means close to nobody else has even a chance of downing them.

[enigma77]

Alliance doesn't show up until the mid of page 3

lol..

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You son of a bitch, you got me. Was waving a pillow near my near to shoo it away

That makes me very happy

[Woobels]

I think you vastly overestimate / underestimate the players.

You're massively underestimating how big the difference between the average guild and a top 50 guild is, let alone the enormous fucking gulf that separates an average guild with the top 2-5. And it's not just time invested.

[Mascotte]

yeah so everyone is memeing hunters but i havent seen any yellow classes in how long?

Yeah at this point rogues need a raidwide buff of some sorts to even get a slot again.
Its not that their damage is bad but at the top end there is no reason to just bring a class that just does damage.

[gHouLwiNg]

How come the 12hours gap isnt fixed yet, in 2k21? Imagine calling it a race, when a side has 12hours headstart. After so many years, they did nothing about it.

[Mascotte]

How come the 12hours gap isnt fixed yet, in 2k21? Imagine calling it a race, when a side has 12hours headstart. After so many years, they did nothing about it.

Because there is no answer besides making it an actual event, locking every guild into a single building somewhere (hence timezones are removed) for god knows how long. That would be an insane money pit running at a total loss.
After a few days these races always even out because fatigue sets in and you end up with a few topguilds competing regardless of zone.

[Roxinius]

How come the 12hours gap isnt fixed yet, in 2k21? Imagine calling it a race, when a side has 12hours headstart. After so many years, they did nothing about it.

yeah cause its not like within that 12 hour gap NA isn't beta testing and fleshing out bugs and eu gets to watch kills smooth brains still crying about this "head start" are pathetic

[Popsickle]

Limit 6 healing! Soulrender

[Clozer]

yeah cause its not like within that 12 hour gap NA isn't beta testing and fleshing out bugs and eu gets to watch kills smooth brains still crying about this "head start" are pathetic

True, even Limit players complaining about the headstart, pathetic.

[DazManianDevil]

Limit 6 healing! Soulrender

6 heals, have we ever seen that besides maybe Kael'thas in recent years?

[Clozer]

6 heals, have we ever seen that besides maybe Kael'thas in recent years?

I thought the adds had to be killed ASAP? They can afford to run 6 healers? :O

[Popsickle]

6 heals, have we ever seen that besides maybe Kael'thas in recent years?

No clue brother, no fucking clue. I just think about Blood Legion with 8 (I think more) Healers on Thok staying in the phase and it being hot fixed to stop that mid pull.

[epigramx]

Nerzhul alone will take average guilds 50+ pulls and thats only 4th boss...you can't make a raid that will take Limit more than 2 weeks without it being impossible. Dunno how there's still people that haven't realized this by now.

Limit didn't upgrade their legendaries yet, didn't do heroic splits, didn't do M+15 for 236 ilvl items and I'm not sure if they opened their vault. They still have a lot of potential power increase. Their overall ilvl for Nerzhul was only 231.

I'm talking purely from a co-ordination standpoint, it will be a hard fight for most guilds. So then the only argument is "make the numbers so high its impossible below a certain ilvl". Which is a dumb way to tune stuff.

You're massively underestimating how big the difference between the average guild and a top 50 guild is, let alone the enormous fucking gulf that separates an average guild with the top 2-5. And it's not just time invested.

I feel like they should still design unkillable bosses for at least a month by the best guild; it makes the game more epic to have unkillable stuff; then after the first 3-4 clears when their ilevel becomes extremely better they should be able to kill that final hard thing.

BUT: in order to do that well I believe you need an Ulduar-esque system of in-encounter switches so that mythic can still clear: later you would still enter in mythic and then it could become EVEN HARDER if you kill a boss a different way (with extra rewards).