Qanon Followers are running for School Board around USA.

[beanman12345]

You can just say you are against kids not turning into bigots as adults, it'd be much easier.

[unfilteredJW]

If my post somehow upset you, I'm sorry.



Critical Race Theory is a college-level topic and isn't taught in public schools, re-shaping the way children view history with an emphasis on race is something that is happening in public schools within the United States. And please keep this within the context of what I previously mentioned, there is a drive to over-emphasize the importance of race to events where race isn't the primary driver.

Clown shoes don’t upset me.

[Kaleredar]

Yet you still can't point to a single concrete example of how.

If I had to guess, he thinks that the only reason that things like "racial issues" are big is because people talk about them, and if no one ever pointed out the systemic inequality, racism, and hatred in many systems within the US, both historical and extant, that everyone would just be happy because he doesn't believe that they exist, or at least, can't be overcome by simply "pulling oneself up by one's bootstraps."

[Endus]

Howard Zinn was a Marxist. Obsessed with the idea of the oppressed vs the unoppressed as a lens for history.

Marxist critique is, like, a massively influential component of modern critical analysis, in nearly every field in or tangential to the social sciences. "Ooh, he's a Marxist" isn't an argument, nor is it even a negative.

If you're attacking someone just for connections to Marxist thinking, you're the extremist who's pushing an agenda and trying to enforce your own bias upon education. McCarthyist fearmongering about the demon socialism is just as asinine and fact-averse as anti-marijuana "reefer madness" propaganda, and for much the same kinds of non-reasons.

It is happening.

Fascinating argument with absolutely zero support or reasoning attached.

I don't favor CRT, it's a fringe approach to understanding history. Do you support it?

It's hardly "fringe". And it isn't a question of "support", either. It's a tool. Not an ideological position.

[cubby]

I don't favor CRT, it's a fringe approach to understanding history. Do you support it?

It's fascinating that you would actually come out and admit you don't support reality. At this point it's pretty clear you don't know what CRT is, nor apparently what the word "fringe" means.

CRT isn't some "movement", it's the accurate teaching of history seen through more than just white people's eyes. You should really read up on something before commenting on it. As an ancillary bonus, it's also a beautiful litmus test to see just how bigoted someone can be.

[Kaleredar]

You write that as if it's a self-contained argument and like, it's not.

And I'm not sure what's objectionable about the quote?

Columbus was unarguably whitewashed and lionized for far, far too long. Thankfully, the history of him as a bumbling explorer, slaver, and frankly awful person who didn't in fact "discover" America, nor was he even the first European to make it to the North American territory.

Abraham Lincolns views on race aren't exactly unknown either. He too has been whitewashed and lionized as a champion of Black Americans and a guy without a racist bone in his body. He was opposed to slavery, and abolition, he was happy to wait for it to end naturally with voluntary emancipation, which would result in the former slaves leaving the United States to return to Africa.

I'll give Lincoln a little more credence here, in that his views on "gradual repeal of slavery" and supporting a former-slave colonization effort eventually changed and his course of action took the form of the emancipation proclamation and advocating suffrage and citizenship for former slaves. His perceptions on the matter were at least evolving in the right direction before his untimely end.

But yeah, Columbus was a nightmare. Even his contemporaries were like "this dude's fucked in the head."

[Glorious Leader]

Marxist critique is, like, a massively influential component of modern critical analysis, in nearly every field in or tangential to the social sciences. "Ooh, he's a Marxist" isn't an argument, nor is it even a negative.

If you're attacking someone just for connections to Marxist thinking, you're the extremist who's pushing an agenda and trying to enforce your own bias upon education. McCarthyist fearmongering about the demon socialism is just as asinine and fact-averse as anti-marijuana "reefer madness" propaganda, and for much the same kinds of non-reasons.



Fascinating argument with absolutely zero support or reasoning attached.



It's hardly "fringe". And it isn't a question of "support", either. It's a tool. Not an ideological position.

Its funny they don't get upset at Hegel just Marx.

[cubby]

Now to the meat of the matter. Its just blatant indoctrination of children. No normal human being would accept terms like white privilege, colonialism and systematic racism unless someone indoctrinated them.

It is fucking adorable that you think teaching reality to children is indoctrination. When you finally wake up you're going to feel really silly. CRT is merely the full version of history, instead of the edited version we've gotten the past couple of centuries.

[Mihalik]

Its funny they don't get upset at Hegel just Marx.

You can't be upset about something you do not know exists.

For all the harping they do about "Western classics" they sure as shit never ready any.

[Endus]

Its funny they don't get upset at Hegel just Marx.

Hell, they love calling me a Marxist, and pretty much exclusively by reference to the Communist Manifesto specifically. Never mind that my political/economic views are far more drawn from the likes of Mill or Proudhon (who largely predated Marx, since, y'know, Marx wasn't the guy who came up with socialist theory).

I've got a fair amount of respect for Marx's later work, particularly Das Kapital, but the Communist Manifesto, specifically? Eh. It's a pamphlet, not a scholarly treatise. It's one of his earlier works, and it's less refined than his later stuff. Of course there are issues. Everyone understands that. But that's the thing; I can talk about the differences between Marx's earlier and later works, I can talk about Engels and Hegel, I can point to earlier socialist writers like Proudhon, because I've actually read myself in. I really don't think many of those raging about "Marxism" have even read the Communist Manifesto they're so angry about, not in full at least, and almost certainly not anything else Marx wrote, even though Das Kapital is a far meatier and useful text, and far more rigorous and competently written.

[Glorious Leader]

Hell, they love calling me a Marxist, and pretty much exclusively by reference to the Communist Manifesto specifically. Never mind that my political/economic views are far more drawn from the likes of Mill or Proudhon (who largely predated Marx, since, y'know, Marx wasn't the guy who came up with socialist theory).

I've got a fair amount of respect for Marx's later work, particularly Das Kapital, but the Communist Manifesto, specifically? Eh. It's a pamphlet, not a scholarly treatise. It's one of his earlier works, and it's less refined than his later stuff. Of course there are issues. Everyone understands that. But that's the thing; I can talk about the differences between Marx's earlier and later works, I can talk about Engels and Hegel, I can point to earlier socialist writers like Proudhon, because I've actually read myself in. I really don't think many of those raging about "Marxism" have even read the Communist Manifesto they're so angry about, not in full at least, and almost certainly not anything else Marx wrote, even though Das Kapital is a far meatier and useful text, and far more rigorous and competently written.

Indeed, prudhon is more or less the father of all socialist thinking and you find as you study that their was in fact a lively debate amount the left thinkers. Bakunin and Marx disagreed bitterly for instance.

[jonnysensible]

they're so angry about

Tories get like that when they feel their power threatened by theories/facts/data that can explain things about the world more coherently and accurately than they can.

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Indeed, prudhon is more or less the father of all socialist thinking and you find as you study that their was in fact a lively debate amount the left thinkers. Bakunin and Marx disagreed bitterly for instance.

I can see you need to be improved by a good ole struggle session like Endus. I'll get the big stones, you start a list of your reactionary thoughts.

[jonnysensible]

CRT is apparently currently seen as something that is going to cause the Democratic Party to lose voters in 2022. The Republican Party seems pretty happy with this battlefront that was chosen.

i don't think far right republicans who think joe biden is a communist are the democratic base

[Dontrike]

Ill let anyone run for office/school board if it stops Critical Race Theory and its insane racism.

If CRT is about generalizing white people in a negative way then yeah it's racism just as it is for all other skin colors. If they don't generalize then CRT is fine.

One can't explain it and the other gets it wrong when explaining it.

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it is an anti-scientific theory.

Fuckin' what? In what way does it reject science? Do you enjoy spouting some of the dumbest things imaginable?

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Its just blatant indoctrination of children.

If you're worried about indoctrination I can point to religions, elephant political parties, and more. After all, you're so worried about that then you should be fine with learning as much as possible about history to open up a child's mind, right?

[DKjaigen]

i don't think far right republicans who think joe biden is a communist are the democratic base

No but the lower blue collar white working class are. And they make up the bulk of the blue wall. If you are continually being told that you are an oppressor and privileged while living in poverty while your problems are being ignored by both the mainstream democrats and the progressive types you will see a backlash. The democrats are following the same destructive route that the labour party of england did. So yes i can very much understand why the republicans are happy.

[PC2]

Fuckin' what? In what way does it reject science? Do you enjoy spouting some of the dumbest things imaginable?

It's not based on a scientific methodology. How can CR theory be scientific when the creators have decided it shouldn't be about a testable explanation? In truth it's not really a theory, it's an ideology.

[DKjaigen]

It is fucking adorable that you think teaching reality to children is indoctrination. When you finally wake up you're going to feel really silly. CRT is merely the full version of history, instead of the edited version we've gotten the past couple of centuries.

Good then the can learn that the current western humanist values are the best in the world. That it is invented by western society and nobody else. that western society abolished slavery improved LGBT and woman rights and created the modern democracy. They also can learn that communism and socialism are utterly worthless concepts that caused the death of millions.

[Calfredd]

Good then the can learn that the current western humanist values are the best in the world. That it is invented by western society and nobody else. that western society abolished slavery improved LGBT and woman rights and created the modern democracy. They also can learn that communism and socialism are utterly worthless concepts that caused the death of millions.

Which is funny because "western values" demonized LGBT at first and are now fixing what they screwed up.

[Dezerte]

I can't speak for CRT, but analysing history and being critical is important for developing critical thinking skills. This would also necessarily mean that children are taught the "less glamorous" past of western civilization, and racism is still an issue today making it even more relevant to touch that subject. In Sweden, critical thinking skills are taught from age 7.

[Draco-Onis]

If I recall correctly there was already an issue with south-americans and asians voting mostly for the Republican Party instead of Biden.

Where do you get your data?