1. #1421
    Echo were better on Painsmith & have looked better on Sylvanas, but I don't see how they get that 5% before reset. Gingi has a point - If Limit catch up to them on Sylvanas prog, it'll just come down to Limit getting the reset first & dropping it on Tuesday.

    Everything post-Painsmith has turned this from a super interesting race to a super bland one.

  2. #1422
    Quote Originally Posted by BrioWoW View Post
    Honestly it is stupid for it to be at 45% on mythic instead of just giving her more health and keeping it 50%.
    That's where the issue lies with me.

    It's just a completely baffling change that only exists to be annoying.

    Most people would assume the fight ends at 50%, just like in any other mode, especially because Blizzard said there's no secret phase or anything.

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    lmao @ echo sitting there crying. They're all bitching like children
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sofo1 View Post
    It still sucks for a race to be determinated by who gets a reset faster, if that is the case ^^
    Yeah thats never ever happened before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clozer View Post
    How you know? Raider.io and WoWhead are saying hotfixed 2 days ago:

    "This spell was hotfixed in on July 16th"
    It was datamined on the 16th, it was hotfixed in on the 8th.

  6. #1426
    No one wants the race to be purely decided by who gets the reset first. It is still likely the guilds will be able to change things around and min/max their composition for P3 damage. This tier is obviously a little strange because of domination shards/sockets RNG.

    Best thing we can do is keep pestering Blizz for a global release... or somehow convince Echo to play on NA servers, but obviously that isn't ideal.

  7. #1427
    To be fair it can have happened before and still suck now

  8. #1428
    well, see you tuesday. I don't see either of these guilds finding another 5% (more like 10 because of her high hp)

    And lol at the people crying that Blizzard 'stole' the kill because it ends after X hp instead of Y hp.
    It ends whenever it ends.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  9. #1429
    Quote Originally Posted by BrioWoW View Post
    Honestly it is stupid for it to be at 45% on mythic instead of just giving her more health and keeping it 50%.
    I guess adding extra health would share that between phases, this way they guarantee it all in the burn phase.

  10. #1430
    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    Yeah thats never ever happened before!
    It's happened in Nathria, but Limit were arguably on the same level (& at times higher) than Echo throughout. Echo have been the better guild this tier, & to have it decided by reset would be harsh, & deprives us of a potentially very interesting race.

    What a terrible final boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkthugal View Post
    It was datamined on the 16th, it was hotfixed in on the 8th.
    Exactly, see https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...g19fb73x5/simc

    for World of Warcraft 9.1.0.39335 Live (hotfix 2021-07-08/39335, git build e48e016a76).
    The sim I linked above is even timestamped 9th of July, so they couldn't have "guessed" the hotfix number in advance.

    The spell that people are linking to: https://www.wowhead.com/spell=359430/sylvanas mentions on the right side: Added in patch 9.1.0.39335

    This was already there, likely, Blizzard realized the HP might be too low for Sylvanas and hotfixed it through a lower % rather than higher HP. Maybe because Blizzard did not want to affect P1%, we don't know. They'll likely tell us AFTER the race is finished.
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  12. #1432
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    well, see you tuesday. I don't see either of these guilds finding another 5% (more like 10 because of her high hp)

    And lol at the people crying that Blizzard 'stole' the kill because it ends after X hp instead of Y hp.
    It ends whenever it ends.
    No new mechanics, there is literally NO REASON for it to be 45%. Blizzard's trash design handed the win to Limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toybox View Post
    It's happened in Nathria, but Limit were arguably on the same level (& at times higher) than Echo throughout. Echo have been the better guild this tier, & to have it decided by reset would be harsh, & deprives us of a potentially very interesting race.

    What a terrible final boss.
    The fight looks awful and is so easy it was never interesting. Like if it did die at 50, it wouldn't have lasted a reset and be done in less pulls than any final boss except xavius

  14. #1434
    Quote Originally Posted by awadh View Post
    No new mechanics, there is literally NO REASON for it to be 45%. Blizzard's trash design handed the win to Limit.
    Having it end at 45% adds all the extra health to the last phase, rather than spreading it across the entire fight like increasing her health would do. Stop being salty.

  15. #1435
    3 days of nothing in a race

  16. #1436
    If it's 45 %, then its auto win for Limit after re-clear. The boss isn't hard enough for them to fail for like 10 hours straight before Echo gets their reset.

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    Echo's acting so entitled "if it was 45% they would tell us, if we call they'll tell us right" ?
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  18. #1438
    Who's gonna get world first legit KT?

  19. #1439
    God I hope it's 45%, it'll be the perfect karma for protecting a nonce and escaping blame by ditching their old name and using Sco as a scapegoat I guess

  20. #1440
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenzha View Post
    I guess adding extra health would share that between phases, this way they guarantee it all in the burn phase.
    They could have her transition at any point though. That is much less of a concern than changing when she is defeated.
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