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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    I think you misunderstand him. By "open-minded" he merely means "empty-headed."
    Oh, I get it. I just see "open-minded" misrepresented, constantly. I'll ask people, for the data, and they'll fire back with "why aren't you more open-minded?" Like, I asked for the data. That's being open-minded. If you're expecting more, you're asking me to be a gullible idiot, and I'm simply not going to play that game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    cmon people like pc2 keep this forum alive. They say insane and clearly wrong things that everyone gets to dunk on. Orlong used to be the king but pc2 is up there now.
    Yeah well people don't seem to realize that if there is nobody like me who disagrees with the OP or the mainstream opinion then there is no conversation to be had. People get bored very quickly in an echo chamber. Not that I ever disagree merely to disagree. It really is wrong when society forces young people(students) to do what it wants based on the threat of punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Yeah well people don't seem to realize that if there is nobody like me who disagrees with the OP or the mainstream opinion then there is no conversation to be had. People get bored very quickly in an echo chamber. Not that I ever disagree merely to disagree. It really is wrong when society forces young people(students) to do what it wants based on the threat of punishment.
    Yep, parents should just let their toddler wander onto the train tracks rather than risk scolding the child and withholding a reward as punishment for not listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Oh, I get it. I just see "open-minded" misrepresented, constantly. I'll ask people, for the data, and they'll fire back with "why aren't you more open-minded?" Like, I asked for the data. That's being open-minded. If you're expecting more, you're asking me to be a gullible idiot, and I'm simply not going to play that game.
    Now you're getting it! When they retort "why are you being so close-minded?" when you make a cogent argument with good data to back up your claim, all they're saying is "hey, your head is so full of the smarty brains I can't even believe it!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    cmon people like pc2 keep this forum alive. They say insane and clearly wrong things that everyone gets to dunk on. Orlong used to be the king but pc2 is up there now.
    ...until machismo shows up.

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    Once again we are reminded where Republican priorities truly lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Yeah well people don't seem to realize that if there is nobody like me who disagrees with the OP or the mainstream opinion then there is no conversation to be had. People get bored very quickly in an echo chamber. Not that I ever disagree merely to disagree. It really is wrong when society forces young people(students) to do what it wants based on the threat of punishment.
    there is disagreeing
    arguing in good faith

    then there is what you've been doing
    being a contrarian


    and teaching children something they arent interested in isnt "punishment"
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Yep, parents should just let their toddler wander onto the train tracks rather than risk scolding the child and withholding a reward as punishment for not listening.

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    A toddler should not be scolded or punished for wandering onto the train tracks... The parents are the ones who should be scolded for putting their toddler in a scenario where that can happen... Also the parents aren't forcing the toddler to go anywhere in your scenario so I don't see how your point is relevant to public school for K-12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    A toddler should not be scolded or punished for wandering onto the train tracks... The parents are the ones who should be scolded for putting their toddler in a scenario where that can happen... Also the parents aren't forcing the toddler to go anywhere in your scenario so I don't see how your point is relevant to public school for K-12.
    But you've arguing that parents can't keep their toddler away from the train tracks. If the parents are not letting the toddler go near them, that's not functionally different from not letting your 5 year old quit school; the parent is making choices and the child has to accept them. The parents are forcing the toddler to be in certain places, for its safety. Your claim that it's "not the same" is just false. A lie.

    Like I said; you like to spout maxims, but inevitably, you can't even hold yourself to the nonsense you're proposing, and you always prove yourself to be a complete hypocrite, when push comes to shove. You don't believe any of this stuff, as demonstrated by your refusal to abide by your own supposed principles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Yeah well people don't seem to realize that if there is nobody like me who disagrees with the OP or the mainstream opinion then there is no conversation to be had. People get bored very quickly in an echo chamber. Not that I ever disagree merely to disagree. It really is wrong when society forces young people(students) to do what it wants based on the threat of punishment.
    Some conversations are not worth having. Taking an absurd stance on an issue for the sake of 'having a conversation' isn't what is happening though. You want to have a specific conversation, so you're pushing for it.

    There are thousands of conversations that could be had on this topic, none of which being the USA should hide it's incredibly racist history so people, specifically sensitive individuals of a specific gender, color, and political leaning, who for some strange reasons always seem to sympathize with the oppressors historically and not the victims, can wake up and look at themselves in the mirror without feeling bad.

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    I think its amazing how one poster set the entire tone of this thread to be everyone to argue against him instead of talking about the topic....

    It's kind of sad how much power this poster has to be able to do that.... then again I can't blame the other posters tbh because if no one calls this stuff out more onlookers will come away from thing thinking that the viewpoint is valid.... which for the sake of sanity we should do anything possible to avoid that from happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinstorm View Post
    I think its amazing how one poster set the entire tone of this thread to be everyone to argue against him instead of talking about the topic....

    It's kind of sad how much power this poster has to be able to do that.... then again I can't blame the other posters tbh because if no one calls this stuff out more onlookers will come away from thing thinking that the viewpoint is valid.... which for the sake of sanity we should do anything possible to avoid that from happening.
    What is there to discuss on the whole though? Representatives of a party which has thrown its lot in with white supremacy is trying to promote the spread of their ideology by trying to strip away requirements to teach children accurate history. They'll wave the banner of freedom to give people the tools to muddy the water with nonsense, but this isn't being done to promote childism. It's very overtly being done to create a more white-friendly version of US history. It's not an abstract issue either, if they get away with this for just a few years it helps them to spread their shit around, helps to give more cover to more racists.

    I don't think anyone who is paying attention to this on either side is confused about what is happening or why, the only real thing left is to attack the BS justification. It's not really a derailment, frankly every point that buffoon tried to make has been countered already. In a way it doesn't matter because the people who buy that crap are going to buy it no matter what, but I dunno. I think helping to spread the effective counter-argument at least helps to arm those of us who talk to the people who aren't paying attention, to help unravel the silly narratives the racists in this country are trying to spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinstorm View Post
    I think its amazing how one poster set the entire tone of this thread to be everyone to argue against him instead of talking about the topic....

    It's kind of sad how much power this poster has to be able to do that.... then again I can't blame the other posters tbh because if no one calls this stuff out more onlookers will come away from thing thinking that the viewpoint is valid.... which for the sake of sanity we should do anything possible to avoid that from happening.
    As I see it, there are two type of people, those who want the immorality of the KKK to be taught in school, and white supremist who don't. If dude wants to be the latter, he get's what's coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    it's unethical to coerce kids into learning about the KKK or any other topic.
    You don't have a very firm grasp of ethics.
    /s

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    Guys, listen. You're arguing with someone whose viewpoint in this circumstance is literally that KNOWLEDGE IS A FUCKING PUNISHMENT. Does that not sum up the uphill battle you're facing when dealing with this? Let me repeat "KNOWLEDGE = PUNISHMENT" is what you're up against here. So, let him wallow in his ignorance. After all, you're not enlightening him with information - you're punishing him with facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    Guys, listen. You're arguing with someone whose viewpoint in this circumstance is literally that KNOWLEDGE IS A FUCKING PUNISHMENT. Does that not sum up the uphill battle you're facing when dealing with this? Let me repeat "KNOWLEDGE = PUNISHMENT" is what you're up against here. So, let him wallow in his ignorance. After all, you're not enlightening him with information - you're punishing him with facts.
    Why are you trying to punish us with knowledge about this individual? How morally bankrupt of you!





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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    As far as government mandated "requirements" there shouldn't be any because it's unethical to coerce kids into learning about the KKK or any other topic. It should be voluntary and purely based on extra credit.
    Your entire argument could be used for math, writing, and reading. The entire point of school is to teach them when they absolutely do not want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    It really is wrong when society forces young people(students) to do what it wants based on the threat of punishment.
    You're right. Rather than punish them by making them learn things that they should learn about we should instead just let them tank their own futures! A FAR lesser punishment that being forced to sit in a class about something they don't care about as teenagers . I'm guessing you're still in middle or high school if you think being forced to take certain classes is "punishment".

    I don't know what it is you're smoking, but I'm guessing it must be some good shit if you think we live in a world where kids have the maturity and forethought to know what they need to learn in order to be successful adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Of course it should be allowed, they'll learn much faster if they learn about the things they're interested in learning about. When you force kids to learn about all these topics at certain times when they're not interested in them then you're slowing down the rate at which they gain knowledge.
    It's about rounding out a child's knowledge so they don't say "Mississippi is a made up place and not a state" or other stupid shit. That and by introducing it into their lives they might learn to enjoy it. What don't you get?

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    What the hell? What's next, seriously. Teaching the inner greatness of national socialism?
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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