Activision-Blizzard Sued By California

[unfilteredJW]

As I've already said:

Which says literally nothing.

Stop. Victim. Blaming.

[Saltysquidoon]

A lawsuit is just a lawsuit. If someone did something wrong and it is proven in court, then let them answer for it as is prescribed by the law and that's it.

See this is why I think it's crazy California does regulatory actions like this. Pleading a lawsuit in a civil court gives the impression this is manifestly less serious than it is.

This is not actually 'just a lawsuit' this is a regulatory action being carried out by a government regulator in accordance with the penalty sections of the relevant act(s).

[Ripster42]

How is it kind of toxic? You one of those "believe everyone who says they are the victim" type? Cause if you are then I guess you'd be too far up your own ass to hear any of the words I'm sending in your direction, but in the event you are not, how do I determine who is the victim? By at least, questioning their motives and trying to see what they might have to gain from being seen as the victim aside justice.

"We should assume people are innocent until proven guilty, that's why I think this person is perjuring themselves." Let me know when you figure it out.

[Elegiac]

how do I determine who is the victim?

I dunno, but it certainly isn't the people who have been investigated by the state of California for the past two years.

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As I've already said:

Yes, we know.

It doesn't matter how "reasonable" you attempt to make your victim blaming sound, it's still victim blaming.

[Ripster42]

See this is why I think it's crazy California does regulatory actions like this. Pleading a lawsuit in a civil court gives the impression this is manifestly less serious than it is.

This is not actually 'just a lawsuit' this is a regulatory action being carried out by a government regulator in accordance with the penalty sections of the relevant act(s).

Using an adversarial system instead of a peremptory one that inevitably leads to the case being addressed in an adversarial system. Just obviates a step.

[Magnagarde]

The problem is not, and has never been, people sending consensual nudes. The problem is, and always has been, people receiving those nudes then sharing them with others without the consent of the person who sent them.

This is rank victim blaming.

It isn't victim blaming and I feel like the point is missed again; I'm trying to tell people to never let themselves slip up and believe that they can place their privacy in someone else's hands that easily. It doesn't matter if whoever shares your pictures illegaly has to pay a fine or goes to jail; they'll still have shared your picture and you'll still go through the trauma.

[Elegiac]

It isn't victim blaming; I'm trying to tell people to never let themselves slip up and believe that they can place their privacy in someone else's hands that easily.

Sorry that you're single, I guess.

And you can do that without saying that people who get their nudes leaked without their consent are to blame for said leak, as well. That's the difference: the sin is the leaking, not the taking of the picture in the first place. This is bordering on puritanical.

[unfilteredJW]

It isn't victim blaming and if it comes across as it, then the point is missed again; I'm trying to tell people to never let themselves slip up and believe that they can place their privacy in someone else's hands that easily.

You are describing victim blaming lol.

[Magnagarde]

Yes, we know.

It doesn't matter how "reasonable" you attempt to make your victim blaming sound, it's still victim blaming.

If I wanted to victim blame, I'd just outright victim blame. It's not like I have something to hide here lol

[uuuhname]

How is it kind of toxic? You one of those "believe everyone who says they are the victim" type? Cause if you are then I guess you'd be too far up your own ass to hear any of the words I'm sending in your direction, but in the event you are not, how do I determine who is the victim? By at least, questioning their motives and trying to see what they might have to gain from being seen as the victim aside justice.

I believe the victims after they go to the state and ask the state itself to do an investigation to where they find sufficient evidence of systemic sexual abuse. which is exactly what happened here. YOU assuming they have ulterior motives is you projecting your own biases of the subject onto people who as far as ANY of us know have done exactly what they should have done in this circumstance.

[Elegiac]

If I wanted to victim blame, I'd just outright victim blame.

Yeah, we know. Why do you think people have been asking you to stop doing it? Lol.

Y'all really need to step back and take a look at yourselves if you're at the point of actively defending sexual harassment because you're worried it'll impact your video games.

[Magnagarde]

You are describing victim blaming lol.

No, I'm describing being cautious about who you trust. No law or punishment for the perp can replace that.

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Yeah, we know. Why do you think people have been asking you to stop doing it? Lol.

I don't know why to be honest with you. I'm basically asking people to be careful with what they do, but I guess telling people to not trust others easily with their privacy, especially if they're sensititive about it, is a bad thing.

At this point it's just going back and forth. I'll just let it rest.

[Saltysquidoon]

"We should assume people are innocent until proven guilty, that's why I think this person is perjuring themselves." Let me know when you figure it out.

There is no supreme law stating breaches of the equal pay act or "FEHA" could not be dealt with by way of specialised tribunal or division of the Court or indeed drafted so that the penalty sections attracted criminal liability. The way such cases are presently handled is a direct decision by the legislature at the time of enactment.

My point is pleading the case in a general division gives the perception to the public this is a compensatory matter and not a regulatory one.

[EbookofEnoch]

The big thing that fucks me over again and again is Blizzard's virtue signalling.

[Forogil]

So it's not like Murillo Cuellar wasn't a contributor to the harassment. Your link lends support to the existence of a toxic culture, when one of the people who participated in it admits it ("joke about my sexism...").

I don't see that statement as confirming that that he was actually sexist, but read it as there were jokes about him being sexist (and likely sexist against women as part of machista culture) due to racial prejudice - while neither confirming nor denying that he was sexist.

Especially as the statement isn't "joke about my sexism" but "joke about my sexism, or natural inclination to be sexist, ..."

Basically assume he wasn't sexist - but there were jokes about him being sexist, wouldn't you find that statement sort of natural in that case? Or how would you describe it - without coming off as a try-hard.

[muto]

People defending Blizzard like someone made a twitlonger... this isn't a single person with a grudge, Its a whole frikkin state, with a two year investigation under their belt... Come on you bleepy bloops wake up and get that tin foil off your heads.

And given that the investigation started two years ago means this “frat boy” culture was probably going on long before their investigation, which makes me wonder about other people that have left Blizzard over the years, that they were maybe trying to get out because they were involved or were innocent and didn’t want to be there when shit inevitably hit the fan.

[Magnagarde]

Y'all really need to step back and take a look at yourselves if you're at the point of actively defending sexual harassment because you're worried it'll impact your video games.

You've just pulled out a strawman. Nobody is defending sexual harassment; anyone who is found to be guilty should be punished. I personally only want to see people being careful with what can possibly hurt them in the end. No punishment for the guilty can reverse the trauma. My advice comes from a place of care for the well-being of others.

Take care of yourselves people.

[Endus]

Taking a picture of oneself being nude always comes with the risk of said pictures being leaked. This is something everyone needs to know and understand. Wether someone else is punished for it or not is irrelevant to the point of the trauma that the owner of the photos has to go through.

In the same way that walking down an alleyway has risks. Or having a shared bank account. Or ordering something online. Or driving a car, well, literally anywhere.

That there are risks does not mean that those exploiting or creating those risks are not at fault for doing so, or that those who have a negative outcome due to said risks are not victims.

You're victim-blaming. That's your entire argument, here. Blame those who made it risky to begin with, not their victims, dude. It's not that fuckin' hard.

[Magnagarde]

In the same way that walking down an alleyway has risks. Or having a shared bank account. Or ordering something online. Or driving a car, well, literally anywhere.

That there are risks does not mean that those exploiting or creating those risks are not at fault for doing so, or that those who have a negative outcome due to said risks are not victims.

You're victim-blaming. That's your entire argument, here. Blame those who made it risky to begin with, not their victims, dude. It's not that fuckin' hard.

Do I really have to tell you that I too believe that anyone who shares someone's private pictures without that someone's consent should be punished? Did this really elude you from everything I wrote above? Seriously.

The point is that people need to draw a lesson from this and that is to be careful. Yes, that includes going down a dark alley in whatever city you find yourself in and yes, this includes having a shared bank account. Try to walk down a path that's well-lit and try to have a private bank account, because no amount of punishment for whoever does you ill in a dark alley will revert the stress not being careful will give you.

Victim blaming would be saying that it's the person's fault for taking a picture of their private parts, which is what I am not doing. What I am doing is saying that everyone should be extra cautious when doing so.

[Paranoid Android]

Ah yes!

Activision Blizzard Hires Former Trump Administration Member Once Decried As ‘Bully’

I won't get political on the General Forums, but seems fitting to what looks like a toxic culture at Blizz-Activision.