isnt this whole argument close to the whole "Violent video games make people more violent" bs that anti-video game people keep parroting?
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
No, please put the strawman away.
All it means is that trying to hide behind "it's just part of the story/aesthetic" isn't a valid defense and that people should be questioned as to their motives for making X piece of media.
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They did, is the thing. Or else this thread wouldn't exist.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
please follow along with the quotes before replying, as you are not following the context of a conversation. thank you.
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you dont think people who hate another person /view them as lesser for whatever reason, but are able to control themselves exist? oof. lmfao
We're not just talking about "aesthetics I want". We're talking about "aesthetics that do not express problematic interpretations/outlooks by the author/creator".
It's like you literally do not understand framing and its importance."The creator cannot claim immunity by saying "it's a creative choice", or indeed, even "that's what the character thinks/would do""
yes, yes they can, like every horrible scene ever made. rape, murder, torture etc. none of that being present means the creator would do those things. total lunacy.
Showing a woman being objectified and going "woo woo, shake it baby!" in full celebration of that objectification, without irony, that's an expression of misogyny.
Showing a woman being objectified where the framing is that the objectifier is wrong to be doing so, that's a completely different thing because of the context of that framing.
Frankly, it has everything to do with what's being discussed, since we're talking about creators, and what makes it into their work is entirely relevant to their character.and finally, your whole, entire, complete post, has NOTHING to do with that was being discussed.
If you bothered paying attention, he explains and justifies that opinion.
So yes; it's a supporting argument, and all you're doing here is admitting you can't make a counterpoint.
Again, framing.once again, every horrible scene ever made including rape, murder, torture etc. , the presence of those scenes does not mean or indicate in ANY WAY that the creator would do those things.
Basic shit.
It's why a movie using stereotypes of black Americans and glorifying the plantation life of slaves would be roundly critized as blatantly racist (see Disney's Song of the South, which Disney won't release on home video because of how atrociously racist even they know it to be), whereas a movie calling out the horrors of that slavery would not be considered racist, like 2013's 12 Years a Slave. Same basic concepts, many similar factors, but the framing makes all the difference, and expresses authorial intent.
It's more like the argument that child pornography, even if it's drawn rather than of live subjects, should be criminal. You don't get to hide behind "it's just my aesthetic"; wanting that aesthetic says something about both the author and intended audience.
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The topic is the accusations against Blizzard. Those responsible for the aesthetic choices expressed through their games fall directly into the categories of creators I'm talking about. They're being accused of misogyny, and if their aesthetic choices demonstrate misogyny, that's absolutely relevant.
I'm not off-topic one bit. The entire point I'm making is "it's just an aesthetic choice" is a nonsense argument, since a creator of fiction (and particularly speculative fictions like fantasy or sci fi) is beholden to no reality, and any choices they make in the expression of their work is entirely the author's in origin; it may have been an "aesthetic choice", but it was still the creator's choice.
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then every shooter game developer wants to muder their co workers, anyone developing a game with hunting/gathering wants to destroy the environment, any game developer who makes a game where a woman dies wants to eliminate women. and obviously, if you make a game with thin, conventionally attractive women, you want to harass any you work with. lmfao your correlation as asinine.