Night Elfs should not be just and plot device to teach the horde a lesson and then be happy tree elfs again.
The Horde has to face consequences for their murdering.
Of course not, how would horde feeling bad about them selves make Night elfs or even players of Night Elfs happy?
No one in the Horde apologized to Night Elfs to what they done to them. They did not pay reparation or offered any help to rebuild the Night Elf nation.
The Horde feeling bald about their warchief was never about Night Elfs, it was entirely about telling a story about the Horde, like it or not.
You keep telling yourself that while conveniently ignoring the sheer thermonuclear reaction that happened when Calia got introduced.
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Which in itself sounds unrealistic. Was was going for how long? A year? Two? Countries managed to maintain conflicts for decades in various ways and havent dropped into defeatism or "man i rather just give up then fight another day". Especially after a genocide and continued unapologetic Horde behavior there shouldnt be THAT many pro-peace night elfs.
It would make more sense if Stormwind or the rest of Alliance tried to force them into peace, rather then them having some major anti-war group.
There are potential ways the key plotpoints could have been achieved through use of basic logic and storytelling principles. It's the writer's job to solve the problems preventing them from having the payoffs they want. It's on the Director/Producer, if the core concept is fucked, which it was too, but the writing seriously did not help.
You are naive to think that anything that happens in the lore will reflect meaningfully in game.
It will be ignored for 2 years only to be retconned via the text description of a follower mission.
That is at least expected when you get a character from the opposite faction trying to be the leader of the race you play
oh wait, "elf fans" don't get that because both of their leaders are unlikable are are alive since vanila, a luxury not many races have
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Yeah, not making Sylvanus warchief and having the alliance attack first, that alone could solve so many problems
But no, they just went straight up to mop 2.0
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>implying the horde was not used as a plot device just to tell the players how war is bad again
Come on.
The horde will face shit, because one, no one can "force" then consequences, and two, they keep getting fucked by the writers.The Horde has to face consequences for their murdering.
Why they should be happy when no one is fucking happy about it? it was a clusterfuck that everybody got fucked, no one liked bfa, just because "elf fans" scream louder don't mean they got worseOf course not, how would horde feeling bad about them selves make Night elfs or even players of Night Elfs happy?
Thrall did apologize, do you wnt the players to do so? what reparations will be offered if it was Sylvanas doing?No one in the Horde apologized to Night Elfs to what they done to them. They did not pay reparation or offered any help to rebuild the Night Elf nation.
The writers wanting to tell the story of how war is bad and in the process, using horde as retards for plot device is not rly something to point at as "horde story".The Horde feeling bald about their warchief was never about Night Elfs, it was entirely about telling a story about the Horde, like it or not.
You mean as the ones who attacked the orcs first without even talking to them because they were cutting down trees for lumber to build their homes, complete with siccing a demigod on them? And then later unilaterally called off a peaceful trade agreement after the orcs were framed by the Legion?
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
It means nothing, because we'll get Topper Mcnabbs book about how its the horde blocking the night elves, from his point of view.
Pretty much this, it will be handled as thoroughly as it was when the Horde got defeated in the "Wolfheart"-book in Cataclysm, in other words: Not at all.
In-game, Ashenvale will still be a Horde-wrecked (And -infested hellhole), and that throwaway line in a lore book will be all the "They're totally getting their lands back" we're likely to get, until it gets updated for the Horde's inevitable next invasion, that is.
No it would not. I said as a example. Not the definitive answer :S. Man people on forums/internet/real world these days. I also did not say that it would justify it. I said they could fixxed the bad story.
So to be clear ( because apperently the word example does not mean what i think anymore).
They could have made the start of the war less horde is insane/evil again. By making some suggestive missions for the horde. Where alliance ( or maybe planted evidence by sylvannas) attacks several horde stuff. Burned down a few schools. Set of some bombs etc.
Teldrassil would still be bad. But the catalyst that set of the war could have been more grey. instead of horde bad, zug zug. ( and this comes from a allaince player).
Lol that would be even worse story. A mind game, moving of pawns. that is what would have made it all great. And she was bad before...Hell even genn felt sorry for all the undead in arathi that died.What they should have done in any case is to show that Sylvanas and had all the leaders grabbed by the balls. Or even easier not to do all that Teldrazzil shit. Remove the two initial accessories and voila.
Sylvanas is not "bad" until she uses mind control.
At this point, I really doubt that nelfs have even the necessary manpower to enforce that blockade. Not that they need to worry about the bunch of Alliance sycophants and/or idiots sitting in Org anyway, and at all rates the Scourge running amok everywhere looks like a far more pressing issue.
obviously the travel ban will be overturned soon after Tyrande also goes to follow the holy religion of Anduinism and she will also share love and peace with Baine and Thrall
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
I mean there's no way Teldrassil is gray in wow. I mean, the only way to be "gray" is for the Alliance to do something this horrible first. But that would make the Alliance absurdly bad. (So we're on the same thing)
We could go as far as trying to say that the Alliance makes a renegade genocium but it is still clearly evil. (Although maybe not for some Blizzard writer)
No I was talking about the Orcs that raided Ashenvale at least twice, happily murdered civilians from Ashenvale to Teldrassil without any remorse and steal resources without asking and blight the land with their allies.
To think that Orcs have any moral high ground or if all of that was in any way morally gray and I'm including the Cata stuff here. You are either a troll or you have a very distorted world view.
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They lost very little military compared to the Horde.
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Exactly and that's why I don't see why Nelfs should forgive them or let them enter their land (and that's actually already a consequence).
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