...you're the one who just cut out 90% of a post to give a random pat on the back to yourself.
A poster came in to complain about how "BUT MEN GET HARASSED TOO". Which literally no one denied. At all. At any point. Again, just a weird attempt to go "victim card!".
Azerate responded to them calling them out on such a bad faith post, saying that when there's large corporation harassment of males we'll talk about it, but right now this is about what happened to females at ActiBlizz. Didn't deny that males get harassed, again. Key point there. Just a simple fact that it's not what happened here so it's a weird thing to bring up.
To which you came in to make a weird claim that "men are expected to just accept it". Went on about the suicide rate of Norway and somehow tried to draw a connection between men harassing women and men killing themselves, which makes little to no sense.
And then you got mad and called it "useless" when it was pointed out that nothing you said had anything to do with Blizzard.
Is that a good enough recap for you?
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But yeah. There's obviously horrible situations going on in the world in general, I don't know why they think it's being denied.
It's like the huge debate that happened in a discord I was in. Some guildies were mocking the protest in game, and saying "There's better ways to show protests", but kept making it a "you do one or the other", not like you could protest in multiple ways.
Granted, I do get it comes off a bit odd to protest in game at first, but it did get articles about it which draws more attention to the case.
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I won't hold my breath honestly. It is suspicious to do that, but honestly in a similar situation I'd probably be paranoid enough to check even if I know I'm innocent.
But I wouldn't hold my breath because everyone that seems to be the most at fault so far are the older members. Although Kaplan is also pretty quiet so far and not mentioned as far as I know.
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Racism? Dont use words you dont understand. Morons like you diluting the meaning of the word are the reason issues like that arent taken seriously in the first place. Are you sitting there, defending a country with institutionalized slave labour and concentration camps? A country that violates human rights on a secondly basis?
let me guess, its okay when china does it?
I repeat: anyone working for a china owned company doesnt have the right to morally grandstand.
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No you dont understand, he was only trying to search the document to see if he wasnt wrongly accused :^)
There is no way in hell coke-fiend metzen wasnt in on this.
I wonder how many old guard over the years were asked to leave, so blizzard could save face. Ill wait and see who is proven guilty and who was not.
I see nothing wrong. Please provide actual evidence old Blizzard (all of them, in your words) did the things claimed by some on these boards.
Cause right now I just see someone bitching and blaming a big group of people over the actions of a few unproven claims.
Why should I use time to discuss with someone that does it in bad faith? If someone are trying to pinpoint something at me, I just leave because no way I am gonna spend time discussing with such person.
And then you got mad and called it "useless" when it was pointed out that nothing you said had anything to do with Blizzard.
Is that a good enough recap for you?No, because what you wrote or base the post about, isn't what Azerate wrote.Stop trying to make everything about you/men. Once a huge systemic harassment in some company is found against men, we will then be discussing it. Until then, leave this incel-gamer stuff out of here please.
And yes, its useless because you try to pin a victim card on me, without actually trying to discuss.
Do you want me to recap?
I said the thing about men and mental health issue, because I was making a point that somehow women are the only victims of said cases. That poster literally wrote that "Once a huge systemic harassment in some company is found against men, we will then be discussing it. Until then, leave this incel-gamer stuff out of here please."
Again you think thats a fair post to write to anyone pointing out that males are getting harrassed and treated badly? Maybe men are tired of being ignored, could that be it?`So when they see people massively generalizing they kind of don't like that? Again, you try to pin some opinions on me in the other posts, which I didn't write anything about, or to. I didn't even comment on that.
"Going mad" you wrote. The only one who went mad was the one who just ignored everything and then came with an insult with no bearing on the posts, thread or context whatsoever.
There is your recap. Someone went ballistic when someone wrote something they didn't like, so they make up opinions and what people wrote to feel better about themselves. Thats a fucking pad on the back right there, not the one who just try to avoid to discuss more because the other poster, as in you, are discussing in bad faith.
Where did I defend Blizzard?
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Ewh... he had nothing to do with any of this. It is not the upper manager´s fault to have rotten apples at lower management levels.. on even at pair levels..
All we should care about is that through his time, specially before Actishit bought them (his mistake big time, and he admitted so), these people delivered a master piece of a game.
The rest, has literally nothing to do with the game.
Doffen, just because there are other injustices going on in the world, doesn't mean you bring them up when someone else is having a worse time. It's like going to someone's birthday party and saying, well it's also Joeys! You are taking the attention away from the person that currently needs it.
You pull everyone else up to your level then work on moving up. If we can't help women and minorities get the same BASE level of respect that most males get (and you'd be pretty disingenuous to say that we men aren't afforded more opportunity in life simply based upon gender in certain professions like gaming) then why should others help us with our problems?
We are all a community and if we let one person suffer needlessly, we are failing them. Let these women have their time in the spotlight and after they get where they need to be I'm sure they'll be more than willing to help stomp out other harassment as well. Just stop trying to take away their resources, as few as they are.
It's after the fact. It's meaningless. Nice try though. Too late to save face. FFIV is calling, New World, and AofC is calling. It was a good run while it lasted
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Don't conflate respect with courtesy. Respect is earned. You don't get to demand that people be nice to you.
I do hope he wasn't. But chances are high he at least knew of it. But that's just my hope, the reality seems less than likely.
That's twice now you just took something I said about your post to repeat it. Just for the record.
It is. I made sure to re-read it several times.
I'm not "trying". If you come into a thread and start complaining about your own woes that aren't relevant, that's playing the victim card.
Are you also going to go to someone's parent's funeral and like, "Oh, I lost my parents years ago though, and no one cared" despite no one saying anything about it?
Doesn't seem like I had a choice, but by all means.
Again, irrelevant because no one said that women are the only victims.
I repeat.
No one said women are the only victims.
They just said it's not relevant right now because men weren't the victim here. I'd be saying the same if the topic was about male mental health if someone came in about women.
Except they didn't "point out males are getting harassed". They called people sexist and hypocrites.
They also said this gem of a quote-
So they don't even consider harassment a crime. Not sure why that's someone you'd want to agree with.But i hope the victims of a real crime, and not just harassement gets compensation and the bullies land in jail for some years.
You're the one who cut out 90% of my post, I've repeatedly addressed everything you've said.
How are you genuinely still ignoring what Azerate replied to in the first place? Like, this is just beyond me. Again, you keep saying that Azerate was responding to someone who was who was pointing out males suffer too, but no.
They were responding to someone who said "harassment isn't a crime" basically. Someone who said "Females aren't worth more than men, so they should get bullied/harassed too" basically. They never said they wanted harassment fixed.
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