View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #28941
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Hold on just one second Butler.

    Let's put this in perspective and compare the narrative of remainers at the referendum. Remember what they said would happen if we dared to Brexit? UK House prices would crash, the planes wouldn't fly, millions in the UK would be thrown on the dole, the City of London would face economic armageddon and these were amongst many other doomsday scenarios. So here we are, the UK has been out of the EU for months and the best you got? The only negative consequence of Brexit people can find is a poor lorry driver must now eat his lunchtime sarnie before trying to enter the EU lest they treat it as a WMD.

    With many other EU nations looking to see how the UK gets on after Brexit with respect to their own possible EU exits do you think that's enough to put them off leaving?

    I would say it's an encouragement for others to leave the EU hence, yes you guessed it, a brexit benefit.
    An average €9.2bn shares a day were traded on Euronext Amsterdam and the Dutch arms of CBOE Europe and Turquoise in January, a more than fourfold increase from December. The surge came as volumes in London fell sharply to €8.6bn, dislodging the UK from its historic position as the main hub for the European market, according to data from CBOE Europe.

    The shift was prompted by a ban on EU-based financial institutions trading in London because Brussels has not recognised UK exchanges and trading venues as having the same supervisory status as its own.

    Without this so-called equivalence to ease cross-border dealing, there was an immediate shift of €6.5bn of deals to the EU when the Brexit transition period concluded at the end of last year. It was about half of the amount of business that London banks and brokers would normally handle.
    https://www.ft.com/content/3dad4ef3-...3-f629a5b7d0aa
    I donno, feels like losing 40% of financial trade overnight was kind of what people were saying would happen.
    (and yes, London has trended up a little since this and now barely edged out Amsterdam by the thinnest of margins. That doesn't change the expected flight of trade happening as predicted)
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  2. #28942
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    https://www.ft.com/content/3dad4ef3-...3-f629a5b7d0aa
    I donno, feels like losing 40% of financial trade overnight was kind of what people were saying would happen.
    (and yes, London has trended up a little since this and now barely edged out Amsterdam by the thinnest of margins. That doesn't change the expected flight of trade happening as predicted)
    whats the date on yours

    A quick google search finds me this

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...op-trading-hub


    London Edges Back Ahead of Amsterdam as Europe’s Trading Hub july 2021



    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...taken-the-city
    Last edited by sircaw; 2021-07-25 at 05:45 PM.

  3. #28943
    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    whats the date on yours

    A quick google search finds me this

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...op-trading-hub


    London Edges Back Ahead of Amsterdam as Europe’s Trading Hub july 2021



    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...taken-the-city
    seriously its right there, read the entire fucking post.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  4. #28944
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    seriously its right there, read the entire fucking post.
    Yer and read the FUCKING Spectator one, its not o simple and clear like your trying to make out.

  5. #28945
    Quote Originally Posted by sircaw View Post
    Yer and read the FUCKING Spectator one, its not o simple and clear like your trying to make out.
    He said London had edged back ahead. Then you posted a response that said "you're wrong, London is back ahead" like it was some kind of gotcha.

    Can't be surprised when he gets annoyed at that. Try reading before you reply?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    He said London had edged back ahead. Then you posted a response that said "you're wrong, London is back ahead" like it was some kind of gotcha.

    Can't be surprised when he gets annoyed at that. Try reading before you reply?
    You might be expecting a tad too much from a brexiteer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    To Ireland? I thought this happened back in January in the Netherlands.
    I think the current one is about someone who may or may not have been trying to get to northern ireland..

    Wether it is true or not is another question entirely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    https://www.ft.com/content/3dad4ef3-...3-f629a5b7d0aa
    I donno, feels like losing 40% of financial trade overnight was kind of what people were saying would happen.
    (and yes, London has trended up a little since this and now barely edged out Amsterdam by the thinnest of margins. That doesn't change the expected flight of trade happening as predicted)
    Can't seem to see Amsterdam mentioned at all here, In fact doesn't seem much of note from anywhere in the EU.

    Leading financial centers globally as of March 2021

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...centres-index/

    Go on help a brexiteer out, what have I missed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Can't seem to see Amsterdam mentioned at all here, In fact doesn't seem much of note from anywhere in the EU.

    Leading financial centers globally as of March 2021

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...centres-index/

    Go on help a brexiteer out, what have I missed?
    That study was done during 2020.. A time before Amsterdam surged ahead by about 7 billion euro's worth, or London dropped about 6 billion

    I understand that reading can be hard, but you asking for help shows growth and a willingness to learn. Either that or it's a thinly veiled attack and you're using outdated information to do so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    That study was done during 2020.. A time before Amsterdam surged ahead by about 7 billion euro's worth, or London dropped about 6 billion

    I understand that reading can be hard, but you asking for help shows growth and a willingness to learn. Either that or it's a thinly veiled attack and you're using outdated information to do so
    So are you saying Amsterdam has leapfrogged Shanghai, Singapore, Hong Kong, Beijing, Tokyo, Shenzen, Frankfurt, Zurich, Vancouver, San Francisco etc etc etc to take second place to New York as a global financial centre all because of Brexit?

    Of course I'm willing to learn and grow and wowzer if I'm wrong what a win for you eurochums.

    I found Amsterdam btw, it was ranked no 28 in the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global..._Centres_Index

    When do you think wikipedia will be updated? Thanks for your help...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So are you saying Amsterdam has leapfrogged Shanghai, Singapore, Hong Kong, Beijing, Tokyo, Shenzen, Frankfurt, Zurich, Vancouver, San Francisco etc etc etc to take second place to New York as a global financial centre all because of Brexit?
    No, but it certainly rose a few spots because of it.

    Of course I'm willing to learn and grow and wowzer if I'm wrong what a win for you eurochums.
    Sure doesn't seem like it, what with you ignoring a bunch of posts disproving your points

    I found Amsterdam btw, it was ranked no 28 in the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global..._Centres_Index
    Based on a variety of factors, and not entirely on throughput of money. You will also notice that London, in that very post, dropped 23 points, while the two nearest to it only dropped 6 points.

    When do you think wikipedia will be updated?
    It appears up to date based on their own criteria, which is different from how the Financial Times based theirs.
    Thanks for your help...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbuttnos View Post
    So what you're saying is the trading blip London had while it pulled out the EU was short term.

    And you are surprised at that?

    London moved back to largest trading hub in all of EU shortly after.

    Sooooo........ what point are you trying to make?

    That political change affects the economy?

    Yes sure it does.

    If you are trying to say "Brexit bad" though, well this isn't a valid point at all is it.
    It is, considering London dropped 6 billion euro a day of throughput according to the FT piece, which is like 2/5ths of its throughput. That's a very, VERY significant number.

    Will it go up again? Probably. Will it go up as high as it was? Maybe, maybe not. We don't know. But what we do know is that it dropped 40% of it's volume in a matter of weeks or months. If that's not a fucking catastrophe, then I don't know what is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbuttnos View Post
    Not clear at all.

    Source or evidence needed please.
    https://www.ft.com/content/3dad4ef3-...3-f629a5b7d0aa
    Here you go, I realize that last page (or the third post on this page, in a quote) is a bit far to go digging, so I did it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yas-Queen Rochana View Post
    No, Londen just dropped all the way down the list because of Brexit. And Amsterdam climbed a few spots.
    So where do you think London vs Amsterdam will appear on this list when the next 6 monthly report is published in a few weeks? September it comes out I believe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global..._Centres_Index

    How far down has London fallen and how high will Amsterdam be? Not long to find out, do you think it can topple New York from top spot all because of Brexit?

    Meanwhile back in Northern Ireland and the poor chaps sandwich is put into some context....

    EU makes itself world laughing stock over claims N.I. goods threaten “integrity of Single Market”

    https://facts4eu.org/news/2021_jul_eu_laughing_stock#

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So where do you think London vs Amsterdam will appear on this list when the next 6 monthly report is published in a few weeks? September it comes out I believe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global..._Centres_Index

    How far down has London fallen and how high will Amsterdam be? Not long to find out, do you think it can topple New York from top spot all because of Brexit?

    Meanwhile back in Northern Ireland and the poor chaps sandwich is put into some context....

    EU makes itself world laughing stock over claims N.I. goods threaten “integrity of Single Market”

    https://facts4eu.org/news/2021_jul_eu_laughing_stock#

    [IMG]https://facts4eu.org/static/media/ni_lorry.jpg[IMG]
    What you miss is that -any- goods that aren't to par threaten. And any "holes" open where someone subverts rules open up for -everyone- to subvert rules based on WTO. Because if the rule subversion becomes the standard, it will be seen as the standard, and become the "lowest" entry and thus apply to all.

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  15. #28955
    It is indeed funny/sad how when the EU tries to protect it's sovereignty it gets blasted by some people. Though I suppose it was expected as well, self-reflection and taking responsibility for your own actions seem to be a quality some of these people lack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So where do you think London vs Amsterdam will appear on this list when the next 6 monthly report is published in a few weeks? September it comes out I believe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global..._Centres_Index

    How far down has London fallen and how high will Amsterdam be? Not long to find out, do you think it can topple New York from top spot all because of Brexit?

    Meanwhile back in Northern Ireland and the poor chaps sandwich is put into some context....

    EU makes itself world laughing stock over claims N.I. goods threaten “integrity of Single Market”

    https://facts4eu.org/news/2021_jul_eu_laughing_stock#

    I'm sure you wouldnt have liked Turkey exporting into the EU, without any checks while the UK was a member. This is not any different.

    It does threaten the integrity, if it's not upheld, it doesnt matter if it's a sandwich or 30 trucks. You're the ones who left, stop whining now that it has consequences, it's pathetic.

    And no one cares what some brexiteer nut cases write on a website, it's fucking ironic that it's called "Facts" yet they're posting opinions.

  17. #28957
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The heading should read:

    Tiny car tried to play chicken with big trucks.
    Big trucks didn't notice.

    There are single market rules in EU, they will be upheld - and the EU don't change them for 0.2% just because a non-member throws a tantrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    You know, I don't know why, but it bugs me that you refuse to capitalise "UK", and "England" in this case, whenever you mention them. Especially given that you generally always have good sentence structure and grammar lol UK always seems to get missed. Kinda curious why.
    Deliberately associating the country with the brexit-supporters - you might have noticed that their names don't use proper capitalization either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    The heading should read:

    Tiny car tried to play chicken with big trucks.
    Big trucks didn't notice.

    There are single market rules in EU, they will be upheld - and the EU don't change them for 0.2% just because a non-member throws a tantrum.


    Deliberately associating the country with the brexit-supporters - you might have noticed that their names don't use proper capitalization either.
    Not quite.

    UK demands last week from the EU a standstill period and today what do we have? EU pauses legal action against UK over NI Protocol.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/...r-ni-protocol/

    EU as expected caved.
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  19. #28959
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Not quite.

    UK demands last week from the EU a standstill period and today what do we have? EU pauses legal action against UK over NI Protocol.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/...r-ni-protocol/

    EU as expected caved.
    After the UK promised to not do anything unilaterally, so you didn't get it for free.

  20. #28960
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Not quite.

    UK demands last week from the EU a standstill period and today what do we have? EU pauses legal action against UK over NI Protocol.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/...r-ni-protocol/

    EU as expected caved.
    As always your point is defeated by your own article
    The goodwill gesture by the commission is in response to the Command Paper presented last week to the British Parliament by David Frost, the UK minster in charge of relations with the EU.

    It called for a "standstill period", during which the EU would not proceed with its legal actions against the UK, and the UK would not make any more unilateral moves to disapply parts of the protocol.

    During this period, the two sides would seek a new way forward on the operation of the protocol.
    So the EU has stopped legal action against the UK over unilateral action in violation of the WA because the UK has stopped with their threats of unilateral action and instead offered something to negotiate over.

    Nor has the EU 'caved' because
    The EU says it "confirms its readiness" to continue to engage with the UK, and consider any proposals that respect the principles of the protocol.
    So the WA and the Irish Border protocol that is part of it must still be respected in any proposal the EU considers.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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