Activision-Blizzard Sued By California

[Edge-]

Dude, people were doing "ingame protests", protests.inside.the.game, like wtf

People who already had time paid for, who were also raising money for a charity for marginalized women. On a RP server.

It was actually pretty rad when you look at the specifics and and beyond the admittedly silly premise of holding an in-game protest in the game made by the people you're protesting.

[Elegiac]

It remains yet to be seen which parts are true or not. The charges themselves seem rather weak, as in a lot of anonymous hearsay and speculative accusations. They even seem unable to put names on most of the defendants. Which is rather lackluster after 2 years of 'investigation'.

The only thing of note and substance that stands out are the Afrasiabi accusations, and the mishandling by HR of the mess he made. Still I would prefer detailed accusations over what he did rather than 'he made inappropriate comments'.

I mean if he made comments like this then they certainly would have been inappropriate:

They were the wokest of the woke companies. The only thing that could've made them even more woke and LGBTQ friendly would've been if Metzen had flashed his cock at little kids at a pride parade.

Remind me what position you think you're arguing from, again?

[Elegiac]

I don't see what was wrong with my statement, I still find it very true and funny.

Maybe this has something to do with you not finding an environment chock full of sexual harassment problematic.

Just saying.

[Syegfryed]

People who already had time paid for, who were also raising money for a charity for marginalized women. On a RP server.

It was actually pretty rad when you look at the specifics and and beyond the admittedly silly premise of holding an in-game protest in the game made by the people you're protesting.

who says they will not keep paying subscription? cause i definitely see they doing that, they could not buy any promotions and donate that money for charity too

Im still in the mindset of "protesting" with the wallet.

[Muzjhath]

It never had a damned thing to do with "journalistic ethics", because no journalistic ethics were even violated.

It was nothing but an outburst of bigotry. Which is where you get to "wrongthink", defending bigotry by misusing terminology invented by a socialist SJW, to condemn exactly the kind of abusive horseshit that Gamergate amounted to.

Gamergaters never had a valid position. It was just regressive bigotry.

Well, there are arguments about unethical games "journalism". That they act more like a marketing arm etc. Super Bunny Hop did a great video on it back in the day. But it didn't focus on almost any of the typical gamergate stuff. It looked at "review events", "swag" and all that.
You remember, the things GG almost never mentioned in favour of yelling about how Sarkesian will ruin video games, yet the thing that the worst GGers hid behind whenever they were accused of being horrid shitstains for all the crap they did.

[BrintoSFJ]

Now senior game producer Alex Klontzas claims that paid customers are part of their rape cult!

https://twitter.com/azgaz/status/1419398240105996288

People pay them to make good game, instead of making good game, they spend their time raping and sexually harassing women in office, then they have the gull to claim that paid customers are part of their rape cult, motherfucker!

If they were more focused on the game and less on human interaction, maybe, just maybe they would not have turned into rapists!

[nocturnus]

Now senior game producer Alex Klontzas claims that paid customers are part of their rape cult!

https://twitter.com/azgaz/status/1419398240105996288

People pay them to make good game, instead of making good game, they spend their time raping and sexually harassing women in office, then they have the gull to claim that paid customers are part of their rape cult, motherfucker!

If they were more focused on the game and less on human interaction, maybe, just maybe they would not have turned into rapists!

Eh, actually he’s right. If you’re complaining about the down-time due to this issue, you’re not valuing the issue enough and thus are a cunt, like the rapist cunts at blizzard.

[Yuujin]

Now senior game producer Alex Klontzas claims that paid customers are part of their rape cult!

https://twitter.com/azgaz/status/1419398240105996288

People pay them to make good game, instead of making good game, they spend their time raping and sexually harassing women in office, then they have the gull to claim that paid customers are part of their rape cult, motherfucker!

If they were more focused on the game and less on human interaction, maybe, just maybe they would not have turned into rapists!

Well, no. That's not what he said at all.

I take it you're one of the people who are going to complain the next patch is going to take longer so now you're trying to rile up everyone else to make yourself feel better about not giving a shit about what's happening to their female workers.

[Millyraynge]

Should we all cancel our subscription to WoW?

to follow the trend of recent years: yes

[Flarelaine]

Should we all cancel our subscription to WoW?

The argument can be made that we all should.

But that would hurt a lot of low- and mid-level employees, including the ones who were harrassed while management would probably be cushioned from the financial fallout.

[Big Thanks]

Now senior game producer Alex Klontzas claims that paid customers are part of their rape cult!

https://twitter.com/azgaz/status/1419398240105996288

People pay them to make good game, instead of making good game, they spend their time raping and sexually harassing women in office, then they have the gull to claim that paid customers are part of their rape cult, motherfucker!

If they were more focused on the game and less on human interaction, maybe, just maybe they would not have turned into rapists!

For the love of God, he is not saying "gamers are part of the problem"...i'm pretty sure he is referring to "humans on planet earth" and "society" in general.

Either way, i also want to say we have known for a long time Blizzard is a souless, greedy, disrespectful, abusive, liar company who will gladly step on humans for profit.
So...dunno bro...not even have a conclusion.

[Orange Joe]

It never had a damned thing to do with "journalistic ethics", because no journalistic ethics were even violated.

It was nothing but an outburst of bigotry. Which is where you get to "wrongthink", defending bigotry by misusing terminology invented by a socialist SJW, to condemn exactly the kind of abusive horseshit that Gamergate amounted to.

Gamergaters never had a valid position. It was just regressive bigotry.

To me this is the same as saying antifa and blm never had a valid position just chaos and riots.


But we are clearly going to have to agree to disagree on gamergate.

[Saltysquidoon]

That twitter post is such a pathetic thing to write, and ridiculous deflection (not to mention a creepy look at how corporatism has twisted society to the point companies feel safe enough to shit on consumers).

Oh no some unnamed talking heads on the internet complained a patch may take longer, "Clearly WE'RE the real victims!". Jump off a cliff, it's not the consumers' fault blizzard is a shitty place to work at unless you're the white guys (and to be fair and balanced single woman) at the top.

Further, I can't imagine why a lawsuit would impact the day-to-day goings-on at a company like blizzard? Unless he is implying the harassment was so endemic entire teams are being dismantled and restructured.


EDIT:
RE gamergate.

It was an example of how to radicalise people and how extremist groups infiltrate into society. They took a legitimate issue, that games 'journalism' was, is, and always will be predominantly limp uncritical outsourced PR (it was literally born as PR the first big magazines were all owned by Nintendo, Sega and Sony). Then they mixed in a whole bunch of shit about women and minority groups 'ruining games'.

Classic grifter move, start from a reasonable position and slowly mix in the bullshit. That way people not paying attention won't taste the poison they're drinking.

[Big Thanks]

To me this is the same as saying antifa and blm never had a valid position just chaos and riots.


But we are clearly going to have to agree to disagree on gamergate.

The simple fact there is a derogatory term for "Social Justice" on planet earth speaks volume how this planet sucks ass.
People could spend their time and energy fighting against oppression and injustice...but no...lets fucking fight against "Social Justice".

The only social justice that is "wrong" is when people LIE for PERSONAL GAINS.

Planet earth is doomed...yeah...lets keep fighting againt those "SJW's"....those bastards

[Orby]

For me Blizzard is tainted at its roots, Blizzard as a company needs to be shut down, and rebuilt, new name and new management and better HR. Blizzard as a brand is tainted, Activision too. The name Blizzard Entertainment is forever going to be looked upon as that rapist, sexist, abusive, company. ITs not the place where my favourite games come from anymore.

I have decided to just give up on Blizzard, I already quit WoW back in January and was contemplating to come back if WoW got better, or maybe wait until the next expansion comes out but now with this news the decision has been made for me. Its a case that hits close to home and I cannot for good faith return to this company. Sucks for all the innocence people in the company that did nothing but I was complaining before all this about how the game doesn't feel like the game I used to know, and now I feel like the game I used to know is just lies too because its those people that left that made the game.

Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft all those games are work of abusers and thugs, I been a fan of Blizzard and their games since 1994, I feel cheated and lied to, the whole company can just burn for all I care. I will not be playing anymore.

[Levelfive]

To me this is the same as saying antifa and blm never had a valid position just chaos and riots.


But we are clearly going to have to agree to disagree on gamergate.

It's like saying Proud Boys never had a valid position, just chaos and riots, which is true.

I was here when the original thread was "Five Guys Burgers and Fries" because a woman had the temerity to fuck whomever she pleased, and I was here for the retcon(s). Endus is absolutely right.

[Svifnymr]

The argument can be made that we all should.

But that would hurt a lot of low- and mid-level employees, including the ones who were harrassed while management would probably be cushioned from the financial fallout.

I haven't given money to Blizz in years, so I'm not emotionally invested in any of it. That said, yeah the games involve a lot of people that didn't have anything to do with the issues cited, so just cutting them loose via cancellations will blow up a lot of workers in the death star...
Of course, the main thing that needs to be done is a house cleaning, which must come from higher ups and they will only react to stock-holders threatening their jobs, I'd think. If the boycott is large enough to attract that attention it'll be worth while. I'm sure plenty of people don't even know about the case.

Leaving aside the illegal stuff, could you imagine being a shareholder and reading about the keg parties during work hours? Then add on all the rest, and for the cold hearted, the imminent fines when California inevitably wins their case. The only real issue will be once the reaping starts, if they'll have enough qualified/ talented people left, or if most of their talent were shitbags to start...

[Cracked]

The simple fact there is a derogatory term for "Social Justice" on planet earth speaks volume how this planet sucks ass.
People could spend their time and energy fighting against oppression and injustice...but no...lets fucking fight against "Social Justice".

The only social justice that is "wrong" is when people LIE for PERSONAL GAINS.

Planet earth is doomed...yeah...lets keep fighting againt those "SJW's"....those bastards

Lol, words mean nothing, slogans are co-opted. What social justice warriors do and what they say are two different things, which are both miles away from the ideology of what "social justice" could mean to a virgin mind. I guess because national socialism has negative conotation also means this planet sucks ass? Just becauise something has X in its name doesn't mean it has anything to actually do with X. Much less today. Look for actions, not words.

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Leaving aside the illegal stuff, could you imagine being a shareholder and reading about the keg parties during work hours? Then add on all the rest, and for the cold hearted, the imminent fines when California inevitably wins their case. The only real issue will be once the reaping starts, if they'll have enough qualified/ talented people left, or if most of their talent were shitbags to start...

Clearly shareholders don't give a fuck, since the stock is more expensive than it was when this news broke.

[Iliena]

Here's Jim's view on this, I used to think he was a bit extreme in his views of the games industry, but I'm starting to come round with yet more reports of sleaze and predatory practices, add on top of that with the amount of 1/2 finished games being put out, cash shops, loot crates, DLC and other egregious shit they put in games to tempt you into buying extra shit! Being a gamer used to be a lot more fun.

I hope this doesn't ruin Blizzard totally, as the vast majority of its employees will be decent people, but I hope those who perpetrated and those at the top who turned a blind eye are kicked to the kerb/prison.

[Big Thanks]

Lol, words mean nothing, slogans are co-opted. What social justice warriors do and what they say are two different things, which are both miles away from the ideology of what "social justice" could mean to a virgin mind. I guess because national socialism has negative conotation also means this planet sucks ass? Just becauise something has X in its name doesn't mean it has anything to actually do with X. Much less today. Look for actions, not words.

The fact the term exists is still mindboggling.
Is an incridibly powerful term.

Is completely impossible for someone to point out a simple social injustice without being called that term at least once.

And i have no clue why there is MILLIONS of dedicated groups to "fight" against SJWs.
Please explain to me why such groups even exist.

Why would anyone spend a second of their life to fight against...this?

People who dedicate their life to fight against this "evil identities spawned from hell" called SJW...is not only a waste of energy and time...they are also INCREDIBLY mudding the water and making everyone confused.
Not only is a pointless "fight", it is also not helping anyone and it ends up creating more tribalism.

IMO