Activision-Blizzard Sued By California

**Acidbaron** · 2021-07-28, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Rennadrel

Hoeg Law does good really good videos, he's definitely a worthy follow if you are into legal stuff in the tech industry.

He breaks it down rather nicely, while it gets technical it gives you a better understanding of what they are actually getting sued for, what case they actually have based on the information we got now and so forth, he has been putting out quite a lot.

**Rennadrel** · 2021-07-28, 11:12 AM

So reading through the opening arguments, I'm left a bit perplexed. The prosection cites a couple of articles that have literally zero to do with workplace culture to establish their case. It's pretty dubious to use articles that are literally about GamerGate in a case about toxic and abusive workplace cultures because I don't think those two things are all that relatable. Especially since one issue is about consumer backlash and the other is workplace behavior and culture. Unless of course you are naive enough to believe that what people do on their own time in their private lives is in anyway similar to how some people behave at work or run their companies.

**Saltysquidoon** · 2021-07-28, 11:18 AM

Big Bobby B coming in hot with the capitulation to the proles. I guess they were worried the employees were seriously considering unionising so they tossed some bread to the unwashed masses.

Also, so much for the 'unproven allegations' and 'what about innocent until proven guilty' arguments, at this point they've done everything short of directly confirming the truth of the allegations. Given this (depending on the procedural rules in California) I expect blizzard might not even file a response and proceed straight to settlement.

**Bakis** · 2021-07-28, 12:20 PM

Wish I had a pirate server of Classic again

**Draco-Onis** · 2021-07-28, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon

Big Bobby B coming in hot with the capitulation to the proles. I guess they were worried the employees were seriously considering unionising so they tossed some bread to the unwashed masses.

Also, so much for the 'unproven allegations' and 'what about innocent until proven guilty' arguments, at this point they've done everything short of directly confirming the truth of the allegations. Given this (depending on the procedural rules in California) I expect blizzard might not even file a response and proceed straight to settlement.

Bobby is coming out because the stock price took a dive, he may lose a few millions out of his billions.

**zEmini** · 2021-07-28, 03:59 PM

Bobby does not care about the employees at all. Just his money and the investors.

I am not really pro union, but this is a case where I think unionization should be strongly considered for the employees at Blizzard.

**Draco-Onis** · 2021-07-28, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by zEmini

Bobby does not care about the employees at all. Just his money and the investors.

I am not really pro union, but this is a case where I think unionization should be strongly considered for the employees at Blizzard.

He only cares about his billions not the investors since he regularly screws the company using stock manipulation and being one of the most overpaid CEO in the US.

**Flower Milk** · 2021-07-28, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by zEmini

Bobby does not care about the employees at all. Just his money and the investors.

I am not really pro union, but this is a case where I think unionization should be strongly considered for the employees at Blizzard.

Which is exactly why the same law firm, Wilmer Hale, that stopped Amazon workers from unionizing is the one Blizzard has called in to deal with this.

https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/...er-at-the-doj/

Also, it's the same law firm Ion Hazzikostas used to work for.

**Specialka** · 2021-07-28, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by matheney2k

How can people be against unions I have never understood this? And how could this situation not be a picture-perfect example of why a union is good?

Because you do not have know unions really well. For instance, union in Germany are great, always willing to compromise to negotiate while unions in France are terrible since they do not want to compromise. Unions are not always a good idea.

**Edge-** · 2021-07-28, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by matheney2k

How can people be against unions I have never understood this? And how could this situation not be a picture-perfect example of why a union is good?

Because they buy into all the bullshit slander against unions and think that because there are some pretty corrupt unions that all unions are corrupt.

Fuck, man. I used to have long discussions with my conservative grandfather about this topic. He strongly opposed unions...despite spending much of his life working in a federal union and retiring on the pension and benefits of said union (in addition to his wife's smaller pension and some smart investments/frugality). I'd have to constantly remind him of the benefits he enjoyed thanks to the unions. He'd usually kinda stop arguing after admitting that only some unions are bad but that both the idea/history of unions and the majority of unions around now (my father, his son, was also in a union most of his life) he'd drop it for a while.

People just see the bad parts of it because it serves their world view.

**Specialka** · 2021-07-28, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by matheney2k

That sounds like a problem with practice, not the idea itself. I can overuse soap on my body and make my skin suffer as a result, does that now mean soap is bad? C'mon..

Oh the idea of unions is great, of course. But I am a practical man. Theory is fine but practice is better. Careful what you wish for.

**Edge-** · 2021-07-28, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Specialka

Oh the idea of unions is great, of course. But I am a practical man. Theory is fine but practice is better. Careful what you wish for.

Everything is bad "practically" - see companies grossly abusing employees like in this very thread. This is kinda a pointless sentiment since it doesn't really take any position and uses pretty lazy "logic" to justify the anti-union stance without extending that same "logic" to employers.

Also, unions are a bit different in different countries. See China, where unions are more like company fan clubs than workers rights organizations. When we're talking about unions in the US/relating to US companies, we're talking about the US brand of unions, not the German, Chinese, or French brand of unions.

**Specialka** · 2021-07-28, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Edge-

Everything is bad "practically" - see companies grossly abusing employees like in this very thread. This is kinda a pointless sentiment since it doesn't really take any position and uses pretty lazy "logic" to justify the anti-union stance without extending that same "logic" to employers.

Also, unions are a bit different in different countries. See China, where unions are more like company fan clubs than workers rights organizations. When we're talking about unions in the US/relating to US companies, we're talking about the US brand of unions, not the German, Chinese, or French brand of unions.

It does not change much in that regard. Unions are meant to defend the employees against the employers. But sometimes, they forget that the employers need the employees as much as the employees need the employers.

**TEHPALLYTANK** · 2021-07-28, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Specialka

It does not change much in that regard. Unions are meant to defend the employees against the employers. But sometimes, they forget that the employers need the employees as much as the employees need the employers.

No, the employers need the employees more than the employees need the employers. You thinking otherwise is you disregarding reality as relevant; a company with zero employees produces literally nothing.

Employers often push the lie that they're more valuable than the employees(ex. anytime someone spouts bullshit about wealthy people being "job creators"), you having bought into a lie doesn't make it true.

**Specialka** · 2021-07-28, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by TEHPALLYTANK

No, the employers need the employees more than the employees need the employers. You thinking otherwise is you disregarding reality as relevant; a company with zero employees produces literally nothing.

And you still need a leader to run a company. Even companies run by employees only need a leadership.

**Cruor** · 2021-07-28, 06:35 PM

This whole thing is ridiculous. Women were "subjected" to cube crawls? Like the men put a knife to their throats and make them do it? Bullshit. Bet they had fun at the time.

Next complaint: "women in a male dominated industry complain men were being men and didn't change themselves to suit the female minority" they complained men talked about women within earshot of them... oh boo ho.

People came to work hung over. So? You focus in you, if you have good performance and get your pay check who cares? Something doesn't get done blame it on drunkie.

As for the sexual harassment why do we keep hearing how strong women are yet almost never hear of them standing up for themselves and telling the guy to fuck off? It's always 10 years later they gang up and go after the guy when he's already in trouble. Sounds to me they didn't care enough until they can get money out of it.

This shit is going to ruin gaming. Gaming is male dominated. It's just how it is, so of course games are going to be feared toward males and have mostly men making them. If you don't like it, pick another profession. I don't want to have to be playing games from 2000 to 2015 in 2025 because rather than pick the BEST game makers companies have to fill the woman/minority quota and have a "safe sensitive" work place and churn out garbage SJW games.

**Edge-** · 2021-07-28, 06:50 PM