Employee Response to Bobby Kotick, Additional Information on Cosby Suite

[MoanaLisa]

Those points aren't being said.

With all due respect that was precisely what was said in the post I quoted. Make your points on someone else's post. Don't deliberately misunderstand mine.

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Protesting in and out of game - is great, but all the people demanding the end of WoW or promoting the end of WoW because of this - they need to remember that the vast vast majority of WoW creators are victims or innocent, and throwing them under the bus along with the perpetrators - not good.

They're just vultures that think they see a body.

[Drench]

Good god stop harnessing greg street morons. You wanna get mad spam alex.

It makes 0 sense he somehow knew the very unknown at the time public opinion of cosby (who was still doing well and having shows and traveling.) To post on his business focused twitter with rape jokes.

You can add this to list of people's lives your idiot witch hunts messed up in recent times.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

Abusers will always try to protect abusers to make sure there's no chance they'll be next.

One of the best things to come out of the MeToo movement (and it also benefits all) is how it highlights HOW damaging arbitration and NDAs are in industry. It's v-e-r-y "anti-competitive" and designed to protect larger corporations. Amazon, for example, can't simply move their warehouse into a locale and not pay ANYTHING, while not paying a living wage, too. If workers complain, they get sacked and lose references too (so all this talk of, "Don't like it quit" does NOT help employees and careers).

People stating such things to simply quit never worked outside McDonald's. Game dev is a career you simply don't "quit" before dressing up your CV and references -- and lining up job opportunities.

[qwerty123456]

He has literally been spending this entire thread calling this lawsuit a sham and how they shouldn't get sued for "mean comments". Once again, if you want to believe an obvious liar then that's on you. But I'm not going to humor this with you anymore.

And an abuse victim can't be a troll? About 1/3rd of childhood abuse victims end up becoming abusers themselves.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

With all due respect that was precisely what was said in the post I quoted. Make your points on someone else's post. Don't deliberately misunderstand mine.

I did. YOURS.

[agentsi]

lol what a shit show.

They really think employees get to dictate company policy? Do they have any idea how many people would kill for their job at Blizzard?

Fire them, get new folks. Done.

[chorx]

This "bro culture" nonsense is over the top and dilutes the real harassment claims. Can we stop focusing on dumb nonsense like this and listen to the women who have been harassed?

[TheRevenantHero]

One of the best things to come out of the MeToo movement (and it also benefits all) is how it highlights HOW damaging arbitration and NDAs are in industry. It's v-e-r-y "anti-competitive" and designed to protect larger corporations. Amazon, for example, can't simply move their warehouse into a locale and not pay ANYTHING, while not paying a living wage, too. If workers complain, they get sacked and lose references too (so all this talk of, "Don't like it quit" does NOT help employees and careers).

People stating such things to simply quit never worked outside McDonald's. Game dev is a career you simply don't "quit" before dressing up your CV and references -- and lining up job opportunities.

Yup, exactly. It's technically illegal for your previous employer to talk shit about you but in big industries like video games, I don't think anyone who quits Blizzard for harassment reasons would ever find a job again.

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And an abuse victim can't be a troll? About 1/3rd of childhood abuse victims end up becoming abusers themselves.

There's a different between being a jerk and actively trying to invalidate this entire lawsuit.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

And an abuse victim can't be a troll? About 1/3rd of childhood abuse victims end up becoming abusers themselves.

WOAH! No!

1/3 is from Child SEXUAL Abuse (CSA) can become perps, IF, they don't get treatment. If they do they can be helped.

CSA causes "soul murder" and it's particularly harmful.

NEVER use abuse as an excuse to claim "well they were abused so they were so-and-so...". It's patently offensive and wrong.

[TheRevenantHero]

lol what a shit show.

They really think employees get to dictate company policy? Do they have any idea how many people would kill for their job at Blizzard?

Fire them, get new folks. Done.

Translation: Blizzard shouldn't change anything. Just start hiring people who won't complain about being sexually harassed.

[uuuhname]

lol what a shit show.

They really think employees get to dictate company policy? Do they have any idea how many people would kill for their job at Blizzard?

Fire them, get new folks. Done.

you don't care if people get sexually harassed in the work place, we get it. I feel bad for anyone who has to work with or for you.

[kiramon]

"Do better" "be better"

These are buzzwords people are using to act like they are enabling change, when in fact it's just corporate babble.

Don't be better. Don't do better.

Act better. Act right. Do what's right.

Do right. Do good.

[Explosivo]

This "bro culture" nonsense is over the top and dilutes the real harassment claims. Can we stop focusing on dumb nonsense like this and listen to the women who have been harassed?

can you explain how it dilutes the claims?

[TheRevenantHero]

woah! No!

1/3 is from child sexual abuse (csa) can become perps, if, they don't get treatment. If they do they can be helped.

Csa causes "soul murder" and it's particularly harmful.

Never use abuse as an excuse to claim "well they were abused so they were so-and-so...". It's patently offensive and wrong.

thank you for this!

[justandulas]

If ghostcrawler was serious about his feeling guilty and should have spoke up… he’d do the unthinkable and turn witness for the state and testify against his friends and rat them out further

Anyone can give empty words like sorry, will do better blah blah blah. Meaningless PR, but actions speak louder than words. Really want to apologize? Prove it, by going to the state and telling them everything they don’t know yet

[Val the Moofia Boss]

"Group chat"

So what? Congrats on finding some guy's private, casual group chat. Boohoo. Company policy isn't made in there.

[chorx]

can you explain how it dilutes the claims?

Instead of the story being about the specific people who are harassed, the conversation has shifted to a private chat where no harassment happened. This Cosby room nonsense is taking the spotlight off of the specific claims that are actually actionable. Sorry a bunch of guys in a private chat bantered about banging chicks. To add to that you guys are pretending that Cosby wasn't a meme in 2011 (for very unrelated reasons). This isn't news in the slightest. Lets get back to the specific cases of harassment and find retribution for the people who have been wronged please.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

If after work, two guys go to a bar and start chatting and joking, is that representative of the company? Hell no. That's them acting as private individuals having fun talking to each other. That's not the company acting.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

Yup, exactly. It's technically illegal for your previous employer to talk shit about you but in big industries like video games, I don't think anyone who quits Blizzard for harassment reasons would ever find a job again.

It's like age discrimination in Tech. Hard to prove (like hiring 2 kids to replace 1 older worker). But everyone knows it's done.

Same with trying to prove WHY a worker didn't get hired, especially in gossipy professions (ALL Tech is).

THAT takes some digging around with other workers to find a pattern. When it happens it's just time before a lawsuit happens (and in jobs that pay 50k+ people due sue, as they lose a lot more money and can afford it ... compared to that McDonald's worker who can just quit and find another McDonald's to work at).

[The Oblivion]

Instead of the story being about the specific people who are harassed, the conversation has shifted to a private chat where no harassment happened. This Cosby room nonsense is taking the spotlight off of the specific claims that are actually actionable. Sorry a bunch of guys in a private chat bantered about banging chicks. To add to that you guys are pretending that Cosby wasn't a meme in 2011 (for very unrelated reasons). This isn't news in the slightest. Lets get back to the specific cases of harassment and find retribution for the people who have been wronged please.

more evidence the cosby stuff was not wide spread in 2013
https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...q=cosby%20rape