Activision-Blizzard Sued By California

[Orange Joe]

“So known” there ya go!

Who named it? who is involved in that. Are you saying the whole company decided on one name for his room and it's not possible asfrabi (whatever his name is) didn't name it himself?

I mean, do you actually need the lawsuit to say the exact words "they knew" before you are capable of reading what's been quoted numerous times? "So known" is as close as you're going to get and means, exactly, "they knew" in the context of the sentence.

Either you are being extremely pedantic, or you're just not grasping the meaning of the sentence that's being quoted from the lawsuit.

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[Orange Joe]

Ah, I see you have grasped a nice handful of straws! Well done!

Can you answer any of those questions or not?

[The Oblivion]

That's not what the lawsuit says and second why are is GC cozy with the guy everyone knows openly molest women even at Blizzcon?

the lawsuit is not stating anything as fact. it is stating that his suite was now known as that (according to at least 1 person), not that in 2013 and earlier the meme was started as a joke about him raping women like bill cosby.

theres lots of potential options:

1. The original room containing a giant bill cosby picture was meme'd as the cosby suite. this is backed up by GC and the dozens of employee's with photos in their with the giant picture, joking about it on twitter, etc
2. the original room was right away called that as an innuendo to the raping they intend to do and everyone who ever mentioned it was "in on it"
3. The original room was named about the picture, and over time the name cosby suite warped to become more nefarious as cosby was exposed years later and individuals behavior continued or worsened
4. its fully revisionist and the cosby suite named in the lawsuit is based on a few certain individuals taking something out of context to fit their own agenda by revising history

[beanman12345]

Yeah you are the one who is wrong. It's kinda sad too


How about don't bother replying to me anymore till you can find the words "they knew" in the lawsuit. Cause I'm just gonna ignore your posts til I see them.

Feel free to ignore me, you already admitted to being wrong. Nothing more to be said.

[Draco-Onis]

SNIP

Let me ask the main important question.

why are is GC cozy with the guy everyone knows openly molest women even at Blizzcon?

I don't know if you ever worked in an office environment the thing faster than email is gossip so if HR, J. Allen and all the women he had to pull into that meeting knew about his behavior there's zero chance GC didn't know.

[The Oblivion]

Let me ask the main important question.

why are is GC cozy with the guy everyone knows openly molest women even at Blizzcon?

I don't know if you ever worked in an office environment the thing faster than email is gossip so if HR, J. Allen and all the women he had to pull into that meeting knew about his behavior there's zero chance GC didn't know.

to be honest, i dont really care. lol plenty of people are friends with shitty people or ignore the stuff they do. maybe he didnt know, didnt believe what he heard, didnt care, was part of it himself, didnt think it was a big deal, believed his friends version of the story. i dont know why, nor do i care unless he took part in harassing employees. so far, nothing says he did.

[beanman12345]

They knew. Being dumb or pretending to be dumb isn't a good look.

[Orange Joe]

Sure, why not. Based only on the one sentence that's been quoted repeatedly:

Who named it: Those who were aware of the harassment

Who is involved in that: Those who were aware of the harassment

Did Afrasiabi name it himself?: Possibly, the lawsuit does not specifically state an individual that named it, rather that it was colloquially known by that name because of the harassment and how similar it was to the crimes of Cosby.

This is all clearly spelled out in the one sentence you are refusing to address.



eta It's also likely that the name got around to people who weren't aware of the origin of the nickname, such as Olivia Grace. But the lawsuit does not talk about that because it's not relevant.

Ok well let me know when "those who" get named, and I'll be right here condemning them next to you.

[Kevyne-Shandris]

There’s also the arbitration issue. That shit allows companies to keep everything hush hush and there’s not much the women can do because they signed a contract.

Not all NDAs last forever.

I'm glad Biden has signed onto eliminating some "anti-competitive" NDAs.

My BIL is in Tech and he had a REGION WIDE NDA that blocked him working anywhere in his industry.

But he had the last laugh: the day the NDA ended, he had over a dozen contracts of his former company's clients -- as his company was bought out when his boss retired but those clients knew him for over 30 years and WANTED him.

That company thought they'd save money hiring two kids. They lost most of their BIG clients to grandpa, instead.

[The Oblivion]

Sure, why not. Based only on the one sentence that's been quoted repeatedly:

Who named it: Those who were aware of the harassment

Who is involved in that: Those who were aware of the harassment

Did Afrasiabi name it himself?: Possibly, the lawsuit does not specifically state an individual that named it, rather that it was colloquially known by that name because of the harassment and how similar it was to the crimes of Cosby.

This is all clearly spelled out in the one sentence you are refusing to address.

this is where you a very wrong, the paper alleges it was named after alleged rapist bill cosby. Now, this wording is very specific for a reason. Its the same as saying named after president donald trump, named after killer dahmer, named after actor john stewart. See when this was written, cosby had yet to over turn his sentence. So saying rapist bill cosby is a descriptor of the person it is named after, but does not infer or state in the slightest that was the REASON for the name.

You are inferring that, but in a legal sense, it in no way says that. The reason for this wording is very deliberate, this will be a case, that is fought, and the state is using language to illicit support by those without legal understanding.

My point being, in a LEGAL SENSE, all they are they saying is the suite was named after bill cosby. Their titling prior to his name is not actually pertinent and is something used when releasing information to frame an individuals thinking. They are out to win and any lawyer worth their weight will do the same.

[The Oblivion]

https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...q=cosby%20rape

trends also support that while some people might have known, most didnt, and it did not blow up until well after that photo

[Big Thanks]

Guys i found new stuff...i think..just randomly

Anyone remember "Joshua Mosqueira" from Diablo? I dont but maybe some of you do.
He said this:

https://medium.com/@jmosq/blizzcon-2...e-76e27cff6e4e

He first tells us the original statement he did that said this:

Back then, in 2013, the suite was named after Cosby because of the hideous carpet that reminded us of his sweaters and not, as we would all find out a year later, the allegations leveled against the actor that once played Dr. Huxtable

BUT

He corrects himself immediately after saying:

After making that statement, I learned that the suite was named after Cosby because of a previous party during GDC of the same year, which I did not attend.

[unfilteredJW]

https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...q=cosby%20rape

trends also support that while some people might have known, most didnt, and it did not blow up until well after that photo

Why are you using Google trends as evidence for this?

[The Oblivion]

Why are you using Google trends as evidence for this?

it clearly shows when the cosby stuff was breaking mainstream and becoming widely known. its fair to say, prior to 2014, most people did not know he raped women. Did some people know? Of course. some cases and law suits were waaaaay earlier, but his PR team and publicist did a great job keeping them from exploding. Could anyone have looked into it and found out he was a POS? Yep, but its revisionist to say most people knew prior to 2014.

[downnola]

Why are you using Google trends as evidence for this?

Because if the lawsuit got that allegation wrong it makes it easier to believe the rest of it is false too. That way we can all not feel so bad and that maybe the people who made the games we all spent 20 years playing aren't degenerate perverts.

It's similar to people who still stick up for Deshaun Watson despite the weight and volume of the allegations against him. They still want to see the guy throw a football around and that supersedes everything else.

[The Oblivion]

Because if the lawsuit got that allegation wrong it makes it easier to believe the rest of it is false too. That way we can all not feel so bad and that maybe the people who made the games we all spent 20 years playing aren't degenerate perverts.

nope, just trying to not lump random things into a bad situation. people are sensationalizing nonsense like the cosby suite

[Big Thanks]

The entire Joshua Mosqueira statement

Content Warning: this article contains references to Bill Cosby and his crimes, as well as references to harassment and discrimination.

By now you have probably heard about the “Cosby Suite” at Blizzcon 2013 and you may have seen pictures of me in attendance, holding up the poster.

I wanted to share what I wrote when I was asked for comment earlier today. It was a hard decision to request anonymity. On the one hand, as I say below, the last thing women need is more men taking up air time. On the other, I haven’t seen many people standing up to take responsibility. Everyone is just hoping not to be noticed, and this is not any way to change. This is why I am writing this now.

This is the statement I sent:

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I would rather keep this anonymous but I appreciate the opportunity to comment on this. Right now I think we need to listen and amplify all the voices that are really hurting during this time. The last thing they need is another male voice explaining what happened.

I am not defending these images, but I do want to offer context, as I attended that party at the “Cosby” suite. There must have been close to 100 people at the party, Blizzard employees and also their spouses, friends, and even family. Back then, in 2013, the suite was named after Cosby because of the hideous carpet that reminded us of his sweaters and not, as we would all find out a year later, the allegations leveled against the actor that once played Dr. Huxtable.

The image of that actor on that poster once stood as a beacon of my childhood. Someone I knew could make me laugh during my awkward high school years in the 80s. But Cosby hid a terrible and dark secret. Once I became aware of his history of rape, the image of him from my childhood was gone, replaced by something immeasurably dark.

That picture disgusts me now. Looking at it feels like a punch in the stomach, I can only imagine what it feels like for others. That is no longer Dr. Huxtable and his trademark sweaters on that poster, but a rapist. The following year the theme was changed to a dinosaur, but the sadness of the previous year lingered in all of us.

I feel confident that none of the dozens of men and women in those photos knowingly held up a picture of a monster for a photo op, beers in hands, silly smiles on their faces. I am not denying there were problems. Was it professional to have a giant suite party, with alcohol, where fans mixed with devs and family? Definitely not. Some of the pictures in the series have women holding up the poster, but a lot of them do not. Too many of them do not. In the best cases we were not inviting and including their voices, in the worse cases we were actively destroying them. Were there systemic problems at Blizzard? Absolutely. The stories are horrifying. I am glad we are pausing to reflect, reevaluate, and listen — something we should have been doing all along.

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After making that statement, I learned that the suite was named after Cosby because of a previous party during GDC of the same year, which I did not attend.

If you take nothing else away from any of this I want you to know this: when I first heard about the Cosby allegations (and Weinstein, and so many others, with allegations big and small) I thought it was appalling, but I also thought of course, it is the film industry, not us. Then I hear about Ubisoft, and Riot, and I think of course. They were bad. Not us though. Not me.

I want you all to resist the temptation to think now that it is Blizzard’s problem. I am here to tell you that this is not just a Ubisoft or a Riot or a Blizzard problem. It is you. It’s me. It is all of us as an industry.

All of us who missed what was in front of our faces. Who didn’t listen. Who excused and brushed off and ignored. Who never stopped to see that intent and impact are so very different. Who never stopped to consider the consequences of our actions. I still have so much to learn and so far to go. I know it is not and will never be enough, but I still want to say I’m sorry.

We have to be better.

Ever since I played my first game of D&D while growing up in Mexico and Canada, I knew I wanted to make games. Whether it was Relic, Ubisoft, Blizzard or now Bonfire it’s my colleagues that make working in games so special. Right now many of my colleagues are hurting. While making games is fun, it is time for us to grow up as an industry. Time to level up and change.

[unfilteredJW]

it clearly shows when the cosby stuff was breaking mainstream and becoming widely known. its fair to say, prior to 2014, most people did not know he raped women. Did some people know? Of course. some cases and law suits were waaaaay earlier, but his PR team and publicist did a great job keeping them from exploding. Could anyone have looked into it and found out he was a POS? Yep, but its revisionist to say most people knew prior to 2014.

But why are you using Google Trends considering for the 00s Google wasn't used as much as it is now, and a lot more physical media was used (hence the People magazine article being brought up)? This also ignores the Today Show appearance as well.

[unfilteredJW]

What?

We're talking about ~2013 here, not the dark ages.

We’re talking the knowledge of Cosby’s sexual misconduct allegations being something these people would know.

[unfilteredJW]

Yes, I know, because I brought the topic up.

Cool, then you know the allegations were around as early as 2005. Hence why I thought using google trends was an odd choice.