Employee Response to Bobby Kotick, Additional Information on Cosby Suite

[kranur]

No one on a salary gets paid overtime unless it is so extreme that payment is required by law. That's literally the point of a salary, it's fixed restitution regardless of hours worked compensated by a higher base value (still to the company's favour).

Employers know it's cheaper to hire an accountant at 70k salary than it would be to hire them at a 50k wage when they know they'd be paying through the nose for overtime come tax season. Why do you think no one gets paid a wage in white-collar jobs?

That is not true at all. My previous company was paying every single hour of overtime at a double rate (be it after work hours or weekend work). But they also had a late counter where at 8 hours of missing work, you'd get 1 day of pay taken off.

My current company does not pay overtime (though it's rarely needed anyway), instead it's up to us to use those overtime hours to skip work at some other point. Like if I do 3 hours of overtime on tuesday, I can leave 3 hours earlier on friday or rather work 3 hours less, since we have a flexible schedule.

[DingDongKing]

You have shitty laws. Ok, too bad.
But what part of: don't like it, don't sign it, is too difficult to understand? No one can bitch after the fact if they have signed a contract.

Maybe, just maybe, ask people in finance in Finland or any other technically driven industry what it's like. Not everything is theatre.

If you think that you can get a job in such industries and start off with 'yo, I want overtime for extra hours of work', you'll be unemployed.

Well that's different. But this discussion is about doing it in private only. Since the screenshot in question is private. Obviously doing it in public can make people uncomfortable.

Edit: Rather, the screenshot WAS private. I really wonder how it got leaked.

So I think here's where it got complicated. They posted it in public after doing it in private. Which is where the 'line' got crossed.

Also, it's a bad look for senior managers in a team to have that attitude towards anyone, since it asks the question of whether that impacts their treatment of colleagues. And given the fact that Afrasiabi turned out to be such a massive creep, it's hard to dissociate from the idea that it didn't.

That is not true at all. My previous company was paying every single hour of overtime at a double rate (be it after work hours or weekend work). But they also had a late counter where at 8 hours of missing work, you'd get 1 day of pay taken off.

My current company does not pay overtime (though it's rarely needed anyway), instead it's up to us to use those overtime hours to skip work at some other point. Like if I do 3 hours of overtime on tuesday, I can leave 3 hours earlier on friday or rather work 3 hours less, since we have a flexible schedule.

Time off in lieu is a different thing. There's always that notion of flexible working at play, which is fine.

BUT, if you've got a seriously hairy month at hand and you ask your employer to pay you overtime, it won't happen.

I don't think it's right, but it happens. Then multiply that issue with 'crunch' in gaming, and you have your answer.

A group chat is hardly public. Unless someone leaks it.

Yeah, like the owner of the chat leaking it himself like a fucking plank.

[Trbn]

So basically you're just chatting shit. At least that bit is confirmed.

and you are doing what?

[DingDongKing]

and you are doing what?

Outside of the situations where I'm being flippant of my own accord, I'm providing substantive information.

Thanks for asking though. KEK!

[Trbn]

Outside of the situations where I'm being flippant of my own accord, I'm providing substantive information.

Thanks for asking though. KEK!

didn't notice your mumbling is substantive information

[zorkuus]

Maybe, just maybe, ask people in finance in Finland or any other technically driven industry what it's like. Not everything is theatre.

If you think that you can get a job in such industries and start off with 'yo, I want overtime for extra hours of work', you'll be unemployed.

You just don't/refuse to get it. If people go into a job/field that doesn't pay for overtime, they do it knowingly. Where's the problem?

[DingDongKing]

didn't notice your mumbling is substantive information

SICK BURN DUDE. Oh my God, where do you get your retorts from?

[Ivarr]

Love the subtle hierarchy here. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

lmao after endless pages of people convincing everyone that if you feel this is the case then it's you who is wrong about everything.

[Mojo03]

Well that's different. But this discussion is about doing it in private only. Since the screenshot in question is private. Obviously doing it in public can make people uncomfortable.

Edit: Rather, the screenshot WAS private. I really wonder how it got leaked.

Afrasabi’s Facebook.

[DingDongKing]

You just don't/refuse to get it. If people go into a job/field that doesn't pay for overtime, they do it knowingly. Where's the problem?

Again, you're not understanding the situation at hand. There's an in built expectation that work will go beyond the 'set hours'.

No one is disputing that. What you're waffling on about is that 'oh just don't do it'. If someone wants to work in finance, they have to accept it.

It's not something you can change, since that's the culture. And THAT is the point. Some cultural changes are not possible, but where cultural changes CAN take place, they should take place.

WHICH IS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THIS OVERALL THREAD. That the culture at Blizzard is fucked. The end.

Holy shit, it's like talking to a caveman.

[Trbn]

SICK BURN DUDE. Oh my God, where do you get your retorts from?

oh yes, when you have nothing to say say that someone is burning

first rule of argument in 2005

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Again, you're not understanding the situation at hand. There's an in built expectation that work will go beyond the 'set hours'.

No one is disputing that. What you're waffling on about is that 'oh just don't do it'. If someone wants to work in finance, they have to accept it.

It's not something you can change, since that's the culture. And THAT is the point. Some cultural changes are not possible, but where cultural changes CAN take place, they should take place.

WHICH IS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THIS OVERALL THREAD. That the culture at Blizzard is fucked. The end.

Holy shit, it's like talking to a caveman.

can't imagine sane person can say some shitty "cultural" things are ok and some not in a single sentence))))

[sam86]

With GC, one could make the leap that he was "getting along to get by" and participated because NOT participating would earn him a black mark among his peers.

Won't take away much of his complicity but he does seem more the type to only be at a party because he "should be."

i agree
he was always nice in responses, humble in interviews, regardless of his qualities of game decisions
if he was shit it would been obvious or at least hinted, i never felt he was a bad human being ever from any interview he did, even if i hated Catacylsm class joke of pvp balance, he was talking fire (that as far i know, shouldn't take) with smile and kind, make u hate to assault him
Ion on other hand seems the type who will organize Cosby Suite AFTER everyone knew Cosby allegations, the guy is so full of himself that he doesn't hide he thinks way too low of anyone who criticize him, he is full of shit, at least GC was a good human who did bad decisions, Ion is shit both ways, the only good thing is Ion as wow player had clear views of how to improve wow, exact opposite of Ion as wow developer, made me sure that GC and Ion are just target dummy for insults, and not in real power to do anything they want (or he is hypocrite full of shit, since he as dev is shitting on himself as player)

[zorkuus]

WHICH IS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THIS OVERALL THREAD. That the culture at Blizzard is fucked. The end.

Sure sure. That's why you derailed the discussion to gender pay gap.

[Lulbalance]

This might be career ending for a lot of these guys. Greg is the only one thrashing in the net though, fascinating to watch.

[Saltysquidoon]

That is not true at all. My previous company was paying every single hour of overtime at a double rate (be it after work hours or weekend work). But they also had a late counter where at 8 hours of missing work, you'd get 1 day of pay taken off.

My current company does not pay overtime (though it's rarely needed anyway), instead it's up to us to use those overtime hours to skip work at some other point. Like if I do 3 hours of overtime on tuesday, I can leave 3 hours earlier on friday or rather work 3 hours less, since we have a flexible schedule.

Are these people salaried or do they work for a wage? What country is this?

The more general point is the entire purpose of a salary i.e. fixed restitution (at least in the anglosphere) is to mitigate as much as possible having to pay overtime at all or at higher rates mandated by law.

[zorkuus]

This might be career ending for a lot of these guys. Greg is the only one thrashing in the net though, fascinating to watch.

He should get a lawyer and keep his mouth shut lol.

[cface]

Am I kinda alone that we don't actually talk about women at work? Maybe we would if we worked 50+ hours a week, but here it's 37.5h and not a minute over. In fact, talking tits and ass is something I do only (occasionally?) on holiday "overseas", and it's probably worse, not sure, don't care. Point is, if someone snapshot a conversation or something on holiday, I would look like the devil.

[Nitrax]

To everyone that think you can just take another job... it can literally take a single day for someone to break you down making you think you are useless and that you are lucky to have this job etc. Or that by quitting you are letting everyone down, and you are worried you will get a reputation from this highly thought of employer. If you are strong willed and can manage this, good for you, but many people cannot.

[Ivarr]

I avoid getting familiar with people I'm working with to my own detriment. Too much of a minefield. Even the most wholesome workplace romance can turn sour in the blink of an eye.

I also fully empathise with the excessively cautious men that go above and beyond not to create any situation where the slightest appearance of misconduct can take place. Like always keeping their door open when there's a woman in their office, no meetups or lunches with women outside of work, chaperones, keeping a paper trail etc.

Within the current environment, ambiguity is exposure, exposure is leverage, and a leveraged career is a dead career.

[Raetary]

Jesus, someone please shut him up.

GC is not doing himself any favors trashing on twitter.