Employee Response to Bobby Kotick, Additional Information on Cosby Suite

[Berndorf]

Has this whole thing turned into a vast right-wing conspiracy yet?

Hillary Clinton says yes.(couldn't resist though most probably won't get the reference)

[jackofwind]

That's kinda my point. People create conspiracy theories because it makes them feel better.

EG. Blame China for COVID because it's easier than accepting responsibility for not stemming the spread in a home country sooner.

Pretty much. Personally I don't even really see why COVID needs to be blamed on anyone. What's the point, how does it help, where does it get us while we're still in the crisis? All that really matters is effectively handling the virus and making sure people are safe. Look for the source afterwards, by all means - but that's not really the priority.

It's like if you had a house party and the next morning you discovered that someone had shit on your kitchen floor. Wouldn't you clean it up before trying to find out who had done it? Surely the priority would be to clean it up entirely before it got stepped in and spread around the rest of your house while you were busy pointing fingers and trying to get to the bottom of whose shit it was. It doesn't matter where the shit came from until it's been entirely cleaned up, otherwise you're just making a bigger mess to deal with later. Then you can figure out who not to invite to another party.

Conspiracy theorists stand in the kitchen pointing at the shit and coming up with crazy theories about so-and-so's brother who snuck into the party and shit on the floor because of something rude he thinks you did back in high school. Then they all go "Yeah, fuck that guy - can't believe he'd just shit on the floor like this. Look at it, it's so gross and stinky. Someone better find that guy and make him come here to clean it up".

Meanwhile the shit goes undealt with, but at least people have someone to blame so they don't need to think about it.

[MasterOfNone]

Has this whole thing turned into a vast right-wing conspiracy yet?

its getting close. read some of the replies.

[DingDongKing]

its getting close. read some of the replies.

It pretty much has.

[Noxx79]

YOu missed my point entirely and I do know about the 1st Amendment. My point is that the Democrats can't regulate speech themselves, so they have Twitter and Facebook do it for them. The founders of both are heavy donators to the Dems, so they will take down speech the Dems tell them too. Since it is Twitter and Facebook doing it, no first amendment violation. Dems now have the power to regulate speech and silence anyone who disagrees with them, hence a work around the 1st Amendment.

They don’t though. You’re detached from reality.

https://twitter.com/facebookstop10/s...810203650?s=21


Get help.

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It's less silly then people thinking it was a reference to a lawsuit that wouldn't become public for MONTHS

Cosby was an open secret. Like Weinstein. Especially in California.

[Soon-TM]

If ghostcrawler was serious about his feeling guilty and should have spoke up… he’d do the unthinkable and turn witness for the state and testify against his friends and rat them out further

Anyone can give empty words like sorry, will do better blah blah blah. Meaningless PR, but actions speak louder than words. Really want to apologize? Prove it, by going to the state and telling them everything they don’t know yet

I'd love to see him bear witness, I'm sure he must have a couple of very interesting stories to share with the court. But something tells me that he'll weasel out like a real chump.

[Mojo03]

Has this whole thing turned into a vast right-wing conspiracy yet?

I'm on the accusers side.

But, it's undeniable there is a lot of weird going on, on both sides.

Bloomberg and DEFH blatantly mislead and spread misinformation to people. People largely still think that girl took her life from intense harassment at work and that Afrasabis office was nicknamed the Cosby suite because he was a sucha. sexual predator. Even if you're for the accusers, the blatant dishonesty these people did should bother you.

The sexual harassment stuff is getting the attention when the actual legal case is almost entirely about wage inequity. The harassment, according to Hoeg law, seems to be in there to paint the picture it's an unfriendly and unfair environment for women, to strengthen their case for wage inequity, not to actually prosecute or punish people for it, like people seem to think.

The women making the accusations are set to have huge pay days. I would not at all be surprised if many are the same ones on Twitter making waves, because they're heavily incentivized to want people believe it all and put more pressure on Blizzard. They're not totally doing it because they're "brave" like people are acting like.

If you actually care about the truth, I don't see how you couldn't think it's a bit weird, but again, I'm still for the accusers.

[Soon-TM]

its getting close. read some of the replies.

Oddly enough, it's usually hardcore right wingers who often resort to mUh cOnsPiRAcIeS every time that reality doesn't fit their narrow criteria.

[Saltysquidoon]

It's amazing you can see the mask just slip right off in real-time

I'm on the accusers side.

But, it's undeniable there is a lot of weird going on, on both sides.

Bloomberg and DEFH blatantly mislead and spread misinformation to people. People largely still think that girl took her life from intense harassment at work and that Afrasabis office was nicknamed the Cosby suite because he was a sucha. sexual predator. Even if you're for the accusers, the blatant dishonesty these people did should bother you.

The sexual harassment stuff is getting the attention when the actual legal case is almost entirely about wage inequity. The harassment, according to Hoeg law, seems to be in there to paint the picture it's an unfriendly and unfair environment for women, to strengthen their case for wage inequity, not to actually prosecute or punish people for it, like people seem to think.

The women making the accusations are set to have huge pay days. I would not at all be surprised if many are the same ones on Twitter making waves, because they're heavily incentivized to want people believe it all and put more pressure on Blizzard. They're not totally doing it because they're "brave" like people are acting like.

If you actually care about the truth, I don't see how you couldn't think it's a bit weird, but again, I'm still for the accusers.

Whoop there it is.

[MoanaLisa]

Has this whole thing turned into a vast right-wing conspiracy yet?

Someone called me a communist the other night because I thought it was reasonable for teams to interview and vet their candidates instead of people just being hired. If it isn't enormous then it's not uncommon for a team to sit in on interviews and have a say on what they thought of the candidate pool. Somehow that became socialism.

So, maybe.

Some symphony orchestras do this as a matter of course. If you have several people auditioning for a spot in the cello section, the applicants sit on the other side of a screen, the cello section on the other. The applicants play their auditions without anyone knowing anything about their gender, race or anything else. It's a pretty slick idea that could be adapted and modified to other situations.

[PixelFox]

I find it very interesting how people think you can solve sexism with more sexism. Same goes for racism. Only solvable with more racism..

If your police department consists of nothing but white officers who are regularly killing black people, it's generally considered a reasonable move to replace the chief with someone who is black in order to boost confidence that reform measures are more than simply lip-service. In Blizzard's case, so far all the management people have been making excuses for themselves or suggesting it didn't happen or was just a joke, etc. and I don't feel it's going to be possible for them to survive this until they have someone in charge who can't be accused of being just another sexist male.

[Al Gorefiend]

https://twitter.com/oliviadgrace/sta...68265781010432

Basically, Kosak and Greg were the ones that invited people to the Suite.

I'm not sure if I want to discredit Greg's statement that he wasn't a part of it personally. People get away with doing shit like this behind peoples' backs, their own wife's backs. Maybe Greg really didn't know?

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You are telling me that i'm looking at all of your chat groups from 2013 to now, there is not a single one where a joke about a minority or slang terms to describe someone has been used ?

I'm pretty sure i can log into discord right now and check a community you are in as a wow player and today someone made an appropriate joke and the reactions would go from laughing to not caring.

The same thing went for the director of guardian of the galaxy where they digged old racist tweets and he lost his job.

I'm not saying this should be the norm, i'm just saying people shouldnt act like it's suddenly a shocker and start to dig every single out of context picture.

Should there be a statute of limitations on texts and statements made immortal by the Internet?

[MoanaLisa]

Should there be a statute of limitations on texts and statements made immortal by the Internet?

Maybe. It's true that people with unfriendly agendas often pull out quotes and things from years and years ago to make a point. That precludes the idea that people make mistakes, grow, or get better. Sometimes they do, sometimes not.

To be honest: I think all these guys are guilty as sin, more with the texts than the published picture itself which could have its own context. The corporate culture they're a part of is still apparently in place. Just saying they're sorry isn't really enough.

However, there are apparently other pictures that we haven't seen and haven't been mentioned a lot in any discussion here. I will quote:

In one image procured by Kotaku, a group of women are sitting on a bed in the room with the Cosby portrait. One of the women appears to have a hand on another’s breast, which is cheered on by the men in the comments. According to the images procured by Kotaku, and two sources with knowledge of Afrasiabi’s alleged predatory behavior, Cosby’s reputation was apparently the point of why the group of men gathered around his picture in the photos.

"Cos approved" has been reported elsewhere as a text comment about the picture. If true—and I'm fairly certain that the odds are good that this will get out eventually—it knocks the legs out from under the notion that the room was about Cosby's sweater or the walls of some conference room at Blizzard that looks perfectly normal. I'm reasonably certain that Kotaku didn't publish this picture as a gesture to protect the identities of the women involved. But the fact that it apparently does exist along with the text comments about cheering all of that on is, if anything, worse than what has everyone hopping up and down. Some may deny that there's any such picture but for now I'll take Kotaku's word for it. I suppose there hasn't been a lot of comment about it because you have to read nearly the entire article to find the paragraph but it was reported and it's another data point.

Couple of links:
https://kotaku.com/inside-blizzard-d...ite-1847378762
https://www.gameinformer.com/2021/07...ll-cosby-suite

[LedZeppelin]

The sexual harassment is absolutely terrible but the group chat drama is so fucking lame. Them having a "cosby room" is just super unfortunate but theres no way they could have known about all the shit he did

[Syegfryed]

I don't know why people keep trying to witch hunt greg, Like he commit the things in the accusations himself

People keep making absurd claims that he "definetily" knew what happened, like what? or he is wrong by not knowing too? then we have to fire all of blizzard because everyone should know what happened and never did anything until now?

It would not surprise me if people in those walk outs commit harassment or did a blind eye before. Or worse, they should have know what happened there and never take any action, we should witch hunt then too right? come on.

[Awsumpossum]

The solution to nepotism is more nepotism. I'm sure there won't be any "hire/promote our buddies" going on with this.

Most experts advocate for employee participation in hiring processes. The word choice "oversight" may be stronger than the request. A lot of blizzard problems (listed in the lawsuit) related to culture and accountability are improved with employee participation. There are a lot of statistics that demonstrate that it improves overall productivity as well. Not saying that nepotism couldn't be an issue, but additional perspectives does not equate to greater nepotism unless the employee participation selection process is flawed.

[drukai]

I don't know why people keep trying to witch hunt greg, Like he commit the things in the accusations himself

People keep making absurd claims that he "definetily" knew what happened, like what? or he is wrong by not knowing too? then we have to fire all of blizzard because everyone should know what happened and never did anything until now?

It would not surprise me if people in those walk outs commit harassment or did a blind eye before. Or worse, they should have know what happened there and never take any action, we should witch hunt then too right? come on.

It's likely due to the group texts that he was in - while the only text screenshot with him in it I've seen was him responding to whether he was on the way, the group was the Blizzcon Cosby Crew, he is also in the photo in the "Cosby Suite". The situation is mildly damning, but not as severe as some of the comments I've seen.

[Saltysquidoon]

I don't know why people keep trying to witch hunt greg, Like he commit the things in the accusations himself

Street shot himself in the foot by releasing a public statement with the usual platitudes a day before all this stuff dropped. Regardless of how much he knew and/or saw he really damaged his credibility doing that,

[Syegfryed]

It's likely due to the group texts that he was in - while the only text screenshot with him in it I've seen was him responding to whether he was on the way, the group was the Blizzcon Cosby Crew, he is also in the photo in the "Cosby Suite". The situation is mildly damning, but not as severe as some of the comments I've seen.

It is probably because the Cosby show, that was famous, even i knew he had a show and didn't knew about the allegations until much later and i not even from usa.

Maybe some people knew(prob afrasiabi) and did that on purpose, but others could not possible know and though it was just because of the show., trying to blame everyone else on that is just bonkers, pure witchhunt.

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Street shot himself in the foot by releasing a public statement with the usual platitudes a day before all this stuff dropped. Regardless of how much he knew and/or saw he really damaged his credibility doing that,

nothing he said before rly backfire anything, the screenshot is old and out of context, some people knew just because of his show.

[callipygoustp]

Seems completely reasonable that people would have thought of the Cosby room as something other than a rape room. Comedy room? Funny room? Room that has the Cosby show streaming 24/7?

I can't roll my eyes enough at the notion that people would have been unaware of what the name "Cosby Room" implied. Granted, I have met some pretty big idiots along the way, so, who the fuck knows.