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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by Sariengrey View Post
    I'm looking for videos on YouTube about WoW, usually a created video, story stuff etc, not streamer crap. I have to scroll thru these videos about "leaving/quitting" and I find it annoying people are making these videos, clogging YT, I find that annoying. Is this hard for you to understand or are you going to keep spinning it how you want?

    I also observe the psychology of it, these content creators know the emo types will watch these videos, so yes, I think they are playing on people emotions(mine? lol I don't even watch these idiots...), and it comes across as very manipulative imo...is this hard for you to grasp for some reason?

    It doesn't mean I care about what they are doing per the video or its content, just that they made the stupid video to begin with, hence the just GTFO to begin with, no one needs to hear about it(so you get clicks), just go
    You guys are dense lol
    Right, so your opinion is, any content that isnt specifically tailored to you personally is just "clogging up" youtube? This is some next level self centred logic. I also still find it baffling that someone would claim not to care about the content, but be SO upset that it doesn’t fit their specific needs and match up with their opinions. “Damn these youtubers, who do they think they are making content I don’t personally want to watch! Its so selfish!”

    I think "dense" is getting upset that random strangers on youtube are not tailoring their content to fit your personal agenda - THATS dense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  2. #222
    easy on the copium there.

    while a lot of smaller streamer are quitting WoW because other people have done the same, the ones that initially did, did so because they were genuinely done with the sorry state of WoW. and just because those people happened to be some of the biggest WoW streamers, doesn't make everyone else a bandwagon hopper simply because they choose to do the same.

    they don't think it's hate for WoW that sells. it's interest in other/better games that sells.

  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Short View Post
    easy on the copium there.

    while a lot of smaller streamer are quitting WoW because other people have done the same, the ones that initially did, did so because they were genuinely done with the sorry state of WoW. and just because those people happened to be some of the biggest WoW streamers, doesn't make everyone else a bandwagon hopper simply because they choose to do the same.

    they don't think it's hate for WoW that sells. it's interest in other/better games that sells.
    Its the same as when some people defend the game when people are leaving en mass and just say "its burnout, thats all" even though the people quitting have played for 6 months, 6 years, 15 years, etc etc, they all just happen to quit during the same period of wow, and all suffered burnout at the same or similar time. Its just making excuses.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    In no way are you entitled to the 'complete' game when you buy it, because DLC/cosmetics and so on are there for companies to make more money
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Others, including myself, are saying that they only exist because Blizzard needed to create things so they could monetize it.

  4. #224
    Well I am all for standing up for what you believe in and if this is it that's fine but yes it's hypocritical. They use YouTube to make money, the first time I ever had to witness a human being killed by terrorists who sawed his head off was on youtube. Some of the utter garbage they allow vs. some of the stuff they restrict is absolutely crazy. I mean standing up for what you believe in because it benefits you and will probably not impact you negatively isn't really standing up for what you believe in. Its one sided and very shallow.

    That being said, it's pretty easy to avoid folks like this if it bothers you, not clicking on their videos will show them factual data on being hypocritical. It's sad but it is the reality of the world currently. None of these youtubers are victims of blizzard and what they have done to their work force but it appears as though they want to ride the same victim train in hopes it pans out for them financially.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Its the same as when some people defend the game when people are leaving en mass and just say "its burnout, thats all" even though the people quitting have played for 6 months, 6 years, 15 years, etc etc, they all just happen to quit during the same period of wow, and all suffered burnout at the same or similar time. Its just making excuses.
    yeah, a burnout is 1 thing. and it does have a ripple effect to a degree, though nowhere near as big as what is happening now.
    this ain't people burning out, this is people burning bridges.

  6. #226
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erolian View Post
    All of that content is a boring chore so for most players by the time you've "finished" your main there is no way in hell you're going to go back and do that again on an alt so you're confronted with either logging out or playing a character you know you're not willing to invest that effort in and will thus be permanently behind in every single patch cycle since they re-up with every major patch now and introduce the next hub/currency/conduit levels/socket items/whatever.
    Since Legion you have never been permenantly behind in every single patch cycle just because you didn't play every single day min/max. The catch up mechanics mean you are not behind for that long.

    Now if you look back in time at say wotlk through to mop you'll notice that those alts simply had to show up and raid and maybe do one rep an expansion for an enchant.
    But what is stopping you from doing that now? You don't need to have a perfect min/maxed alt in order to raid. Do you? You say they got to be competitive by putting in effort to go raid yet how is that not true now? Put in effort and your character will be decent. That is what the catch up mechanics are for. Callings reward conduits. You can get 220 gear easily in Kothira which is sufficient for entry into SoD normal.

    The real difference is that you no longer like the content. That doesn't mean it sucks. It just mean it is not for you. There are very few things that objectively are bad about the design of Shadowlands. Domination socket/system is one of those that are flawed. The rest is just not exceptional but is no worse then it was in the past. There are very few chores you need to do to keep a character able to contribute to the group.
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  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    It's pretty obvious most of it riding a bandwagon for views. None of those people actually found a game that happened this year to be perfect or suddenly realized wow is "bad" so what's happening here is that they think that hate for wow sells and they jump on a bandwagon of the streamer culture in the hope they'll get their subs count higher.
    It would be better if they just acknowled what is happening at blizzard but avoid saying things like: "this is outrageous that im gonna stop playing" when we all know thats not true. It makes me cringe to be honest.

    Taliesin made a big fuss about this very same thing and he was uploading new videos just a week after.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Piamonte View Post
    It would be better if they just acknowled what is happening at blizzard but avoid saying things like: "this is outrageous that im gonna stop playing" when we all know thats not true. It makes me cringe to be honest.

    Taliesin made a big fuss about this very same thing and he was uploading new videos just a week after.
    Yea I mean wish them luck, write a letter, saying you don't condone predatory behavior but carry on. It feels like they are trying to ride a victim train for views and forgetting why they had views in the first place. If I click on a tuber that makes videos about wow I want to see content about wow, not his personal, religious or political beliefs.

    They share information/entertainment and we buy into it if that information pertains to us or entertains us. Same with music and movie industry. Entertain, try not to educate based on emotional responses.

  9. #229
    Personally I couldn't care less even if they'd be dishonest about quitting due to the whole scandal around Blizzard. Even if they would do it for hypocritical reasons, they'd still turn the spotlight to real issues.

    If you are a person who gets angry about it, you should really ask yourself why.

  10. #230
    Of course they're moving to FF14 because it's the cool thing to do.

    I mean, can you imagine boycotting Blizzard for sexual harassment but being OK with the slave labor that goes into making your smartphone/PC parts?

    What, are the chinese kids working in the sweatshop not white/American for you to care about them?

    I guess morals stop where your need for technology begins.

    Empty virtue signalling from weak people desperate for attention and Internet brownie points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Short View Post
    easy on the copium there.

    while a lot of smaller streamer are quitting WoW because other people have done the same, the ones that initially did, did so because they were genuinely done with the sorry state of WoW. and just because those people happened to be some of the biggest WoW streamers, doesn't make everyone else a bandwagon hopper simply because they choose to do the same.

    they don't think it's hate for WoW that sells. it's interest in other/better games that sells.
    If those games were better why did it take years for people to hear about them?

    The sudden shift to FF14 ( though I severely question the size of this shift, if you look on Twitch or Steam the numbers aren't that great. Steam went up by 30,000 during this 'crisis ) is some attempt at ''fuck you Blizzard'' by going to a Japanese company ( Japan is known for treating workers very well ) that supposedly rivals WoW.

  11. #231
    Agree. They all should continue to pay and praise Blizzard for a product that offers them less quality and enjoyment. The absolute gall on these people, imirite?

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    I mean, can you imagine boycotting Blizzard for sexual harassment but being OK with the slave labor that goes into making your smartphone/PC parts?

    What, are the chinese kids working in the sweatshop not white/American for you to care about them?
    Whataboutism is soooo fucking embarassing.

    Like if you'd actually apply it you'd be stripped of all rights to complain about anything.

    "I have cancer", "stop whining, there's a kid somewhere with two cancers".

    Get me?

  13. #233
    i personally give a fuck if some streamer quits wow or not.

    but i have to say, that some of their reasons are exactly the same for me. in example Preach. everything he said is simply true. also what Asmongold said, when commenting Preaches exit video.

    imo the ppl dont quit because of trend or hype or something like that. they quit because wow simply became a cheap shit game. thats the simple truth. they are streamers and they choosed to earn their money not by a daily job they hate. so its more than natural that they stop playing, if they stream 6 hours a day, about something and while doing something they do not enjoy. if they keep streaming, after they no longer like playing wow, its just like some shitty job, you doing to pay the bills. for exactly this reason they started streaming. to not do something they hate, to pay the bills.

    so in the end of the day, its the simple fact, that wow became a cheap shit game for a specific target audience. atvi blizz is more interessted in milking the cow, by using wow as a transport platform for the token smart cash grab system and by cost effective devopment. which means instead investing much into real content (which needs gfx and world design, engine logic and huge man power), they invest less by using „systems“. these systems mostly are based by a few lines of logic code, a lot of DB entries and some cheap UIs. a soulbind UI and some items supporting this UI, to give you a few % more dmg is WAAAAAYY cheaper than real content. this is meant by cost effective development. invest the least possible effort by maximizing the impact/profit. also you can write „Soulbinds“ on a feature list. you can not write „more content“ on a feature list.

    you can ask yourself, if you wish, why you see THAT MUCH „WTS xyz“ entries of boost grps these days. its simple: because you need X rating in m+ or PvP to unlock the higher items. either you need to run high keys to get a high drop, or you need to run high keys to unlock upgrading items by Valor Points. this all offers a good ground for boost grps offering this thing fast to you. how you pay them? right, with gold. how you get gold fast? right, with buying a token for 20 bugs. so, why blizz supports this boost grps by their rating design? because blizz earns 7 bugs for free, for every token ever passing the AH. by using an automated system. by doing nothing.

    while on the other side they come up with unbalanced stupid „systems“ over „systems“, like Covenants or Domination Shards, every 4 year old kid on beta told them after 3mins, it will not work out. but they do it anyway? why? because its cheap.

    all that said, i watched 3 streamers quitting wow. and they all had the same reasons i have: wow has become a cheap shit game and is more designed to sell shit as gold and try to grab ppls money (by tokens) instead of trying to make a good game. its more a „grab money from the casuals“ game than a great game for a specific target audience. and its that, simply for the fact that it makes ATVI the most profit that way.

    wow is downhill and they milk the cow. because milking the cow simply earns them more money than investing and making a good game. its not 1999 where the best longterm investment product made the most money. its 2021 where the smartest way to sell shit and grab ppls money, while its all about quarterly figures.

    so, i dont really understand some of the big dramas here. wow just became a cheap shit game and ppl stop playing it because its shit. thats nothing special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooshie View Post
    Whataboutism is soooo fucking embarassing.

    Like if you'd actually apply it you'd be stripped of all rights to complain about anything.

    "I have cancer", "stop whining, there's a kid somewhere with two cancers".

    Get me?
    Yeah, how dare atrocities taking place in other parts of the world get in the way of my first-world problems. Ethnic cleansing? Systemic rape and torture? That's got nothing on some shitbird game developers being gropey.

    None of it is okay, but let's not pretend like forced genital mutilation and a pat on the ass are anywhere near comparable.
    Thanks for the ad-hominem; it supports your inability to support your argument.

  15. #235
    I believe that WoW is diminished every time someone leaves.

    A lot of times people who have left have also returned, this doesn't happen in every case though.

    I forget where I saw this, I would like to credit the author as I think is so correct:
    People often think the opposite of love is hate. It isn't. The opposite of love is indifference.

    That to me would be the thing that says whether a person will return or not. If they no longer care.

  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Wheelchair Casino View Post
    Yeah, how dare atrocities taking place in other parts of the world get in the way of my first-world problems. Ethnic cleansing? Systemic rape and torture? That's got nothing on some shitbird game developers being gropey.

    None of it is okay, but let's not pretend like forced genital mutilation and a pat on the ass are anywhere near comparable.
    Nobody is saying that. Are we seriously at the point that incels are so out of ammunition that we are for some fucked up reason talking about CHILD LABOUR AND ETHNIC CLEANSINGS in this context?

    Listen to yourselves. Fucking disgusting.

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    So this current tier is going to be the first tier that I don't have Cutting Edge since they added Cutting Edge to the game. Never once have I felt like I've had to play WoW in the way you're describing. Not on my main, not on an alt. You're confusing what you do out of compulsion with what Blizzard wants you to do. Or more accurately you're parroting the complaint of a youtuber who chose to play WoW that way and then complained about it. You can play FFXIV in that way as well. You can take long breaks from WoW and not miss out on anything. If I don't have to do what you're describing and I'm playing in an environment where every little edge you can get counts why would the other 95% of the playerbase?
    But why is it there? It's not about that korthia is garbage or the whole system/idea, it's similar to the venari grind (most people didn't do/like) in 9.0 but a bit improved on, great.
    But it is insufferable, sometimes even illogically paced, and exactly this is why players call the devs (to be more specific: system designers) out for being out of touch or simply not playing their own game more than 2-3 heroic dungeons each week.

    And it's not the only system that is flawed like this, this is not the first time this has happend.
    And come the last patch of this expansion no matter if it's 9.2 or 9.3 patch it will be mostly fixed, fully beta tested you could say, repeating history.
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  18. #238
    Just sitting here enjoying it all burn. If blizzard wants to have people more aptly turn toward the token to have their dopamine levels rise because of fomo acquisition, then the whole thing needs to be torn down.

  19. #239
    It's not "cool" to hate on WoW. I can see how someone might start to think that, but no, WoW has made more missteps since Legion than they have in a long while and people are fed up. It's not "cool" as much as it is a tipping point.

    Maybe you don't understand how draining it can be to try to keep a stiff upper lip about a game when that game and its developer keeps dumping on you. As a subscriber, you can just stop playing for a bit. Or for a long while. A streamer that essentially lives and dies by WoW has to power through everything you yourself can say "no thanks" to. They have to take the lashings and say "please sir, can I have another?"

    After a while that grinds you down. So, these people are cutting it loose.

    This doesn't mean they can't come back, because maybe the game will turn around. But if it doesn't, I don't think they'll lose much if any sleep. Most of them probably feel better now than they have in a while.

  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    If those games were better why did it take years for people to hear about them?
    because WoW "was" actually a good game not to long ago. and those games "weren't" better than WoW was, but they sure as hell "are" better than WoW currently is.
    that, and the vast majority of people just play what they enjoy most at the time. that doesn't make a game better or worse by comparison, just a different experience for a different time.
    i can feel like not playing WoW for a day and dropping some hours on a game of Civ of Stellaris. that doesn't make them "better" games. just i don't feel like playing WoW atm.

    Quote Originally Posted by starstationprofm View Post
    The sudden shift to FF14 ( though I severely question the size of this shift, if you look on Twitch or Steam the numbers aren't that great. Steam went up by 30,000 during this 'crisis ) is some attempt at ''fuck you Blizzard'' by going to a Japanese company ( Japan is known for treating workers very well ) that supposedly rivals WoW.
    i highly doubt the vast majority of players that left WoW and started playing FF14 recently did so as a "fuck you" to Blizzard.
    and i'm sure that not everyone that stopped playing WoW recently did so because they went to FF14, or because of the current Activision-Blizzard situation.

    and let's be honest here. all the high profile streamers could've jumped to any other game and it'd be interchangeable within your current argument, the fact you're so focused on that 1 thing means you've missed the big picture.

    those other games aren't better, WoW is just genuine shit atm.

    people are leaving in droves and it doesn't matter where to. FF14 just happens to be 1 of the high profile games they're going to.


    damn i hope the next WoW expansion is gonna be good...

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