I jumped into an ocean fishing voyage for the first time in a while and finally got enough points to unlock the shark mount.
I jumped into an ocean fishing voyage for the first time in a while and finally got enough points to unlock the shark mount.
This is a bit of a plothole tbh but it's best to just ignore it. Since the CE gave us both his memories and his 9/14 soul, we went and put it back into his 8/14 soul. So technically that should make him 17/14... But everyone chooses to ignore that little detail so it's best to leave it at that.
BTW, when I say 9/14 it's not a typo or a mistake. We are also 9/14. (Source + 7 rejoinings + Ardbert.) CE is also 9/14 since he had to go through the 8th calamity before being sent to the First. (Source + 8 rejoinings.)
"We must now recognize that the greatest threat of freedom for us all is if we go back to eating ourselves out from within." - John Anderson
The most expensive part of leveling your first DoH is actually the gear, and that's the same for every DoH. If you're short on cash look into the Diadem and level a DoL to gather your own mats,. Leveling a DoL in the diadem is fast, doesn't really need gear until level 61ish, and you can sell a lot of the mats you don't need.
I'm actually a few days away from my own tank. Lali-ho!
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Yeah, but I dont think they will go that far again. Time travel and alternate timelines usually mess stuff up but they did do a good job in the story with it without messing with the lore.
For example in the alternate timeline, in the short story, Midgardsorm wakes up into a world where the events of the 8th calamity start subsiding, however two unsundered Ascians (Elidibus, Emet) are still alive there, and without the WoL to stand in their way it's not too far fetched to think that eventually they will complete the rejoining and summon Zodiark and bring back all their people.
Is that in the Tales from the Shadows set of short stories? I am #teamrejoin, so I was already hoping in at least one reality their dream was realized. However, I'd prefer they're successful before Hydaelyn, especially considering her sundering has caused far more loss of life than a 3rd summoning of Zodiark would have.
It's weird to me that more people aren't bothered by the fact that their souls are sundered. I'm also kind of surprised that there's not some form of the Cult of the Damned in FFXIV, because the Ascians would get a lot of followers with the promise of Amaurot.
"We must now recognize that the greatest threat of freedom for us all is if we go back to eating ourselves out from within." - John Anderson
Yeah it is, they are pretty nice and don't take long to read.
There are actually. There's "Ascians" with black masks early in the game and some in the SMN HW quests iirc. Those aren't part of the 13, but just random followers that were most likely promised power among other things.
How has her sundering caused more loss of life than a 3rd summoning of Zodiark would cause? Especially at this point in the cycle where each of the shards has entire civilizations and generations upon generations of population growth. Each rejoining destroys the entire shard and all life on it, Zodiarks summoning and now the attempts at rejoining have destroyed billions, if not trillions, of lives. Hydaelyns sundering has allowed for that many lives to exist, and saved many of the lives of the folks from the First. It's not even on the same scale anymore.
I want to know why Hydalyn thinks about Nordvrant. "Oh those poor people" or "Look at all this glorious LIGHT, we need more of that!"
Except, the lives of the people on the Source weren't eradicated when it was sundered, at least that's my understanding based on the story. It's a little hard to understand. People survived, that's how life was able to continue on. If the sundering eradicated everyone, where did all of the descendants come from?
It's exactly as you said, rejoinings have destroyed billions/trillions of lives, lives that wouldn't have been lost had Hydaelyn not sundered the world. Zodiark's 3rd summoning (during the time of Amaurot) would have been a fixed number of life sacrificed and then been done. Thanks to what Hydaelyn did there's no cap on loss of life, in fact, it was increased exponentially and the longer it takes to rejoin a shard the more life is likely to be lost.
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First, I'd think it made a lot of sense, but the reasons for that aren't story related. :P Second, like I said, I'm already #teamrejoin. Considering that most/all of the major races appear to be reincarnations of sundered Ascians then I wouldn't really be losing anything. Both myself and my SO, for example, would be reborn whole into a perfect world. It doesn't sound like a bad deal.
"We must now recognize that the greatest threat of freedom for us all is if we go back to eating ourselves out from within." - John Anderson
That's not entirely true. Some of the Ascian's were tired of sacrifices and were completely against them. They wanted these so called "fragments of real people" to continue living. Some people seem to think that all Ascians were the same, but the reality is we have only ever heard one side of the story, and that's the side of the twisted nature of the people tainted by Zodiark for ages. Maybe we'll get the other side when we get more information from Venat.
I guess my point is that, while it is understandable, the reality is a lot of Amaurotines were completely against it. They didn't view all life as lesser forms that should just be disposed of for their great race.
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*Insert every single ridiculous PC parts detail here that no one cares about*
Hydaelyn is not the one causing the loss of life though, it's the Ascians working on rejoining Zodiark in the name of Zodiark. The deaths of the billions caused by the rejoinings is on Zodiark, not Hydaelyn.
It was stated in Shadowbringers that the vast majority of people in existence now are brand new souls, with no connection to Amaurot whatsoever, they have no common soul to rejoin into. You'd be losing quite a lot actually if the rejoining actually happened. You're also assuming the resulting world would in fact be perfect, when the information we have from Amaurot, and the flashbacks/ snippets of information we get from the Azem crystal, suggests it's just as imperfect as the one we live in now, if not more so due to the existence of "The Sound" that almost destroyed the First to begin with.First, I'd think it made a lot of sense, but the reasons for that aren't story related. :P Second, like I said, I'm already #teamrejoin. Considering that most/all of the major races appear to be reincarnations of sundered Ascians then I wouldn't really be losing anything. Both myself and my SO, for example, would be reborn whole into a perfect world. It doesn't sound like a bad deal.
Well, we're getting into the territory of if what Hydaelyn did was for the better or not, which I do not believe it was. Sundering the world into 14 pieces was not an appropriate response to stopping what the Ascians were going to ask of Zodiark.
"We must now recognize that the greatest threat of freedom for us all is if we go back to eating ourselves out from within." - John Anderson
5.3 MSQ We know that the Convocation came up with the idea of sacrificing the new life to Zodiark and hoping he could resurrect/regurgitate their souls, but we have no indication that he would have even gone along with it. The last thing we hear about him is that he used creation magic to create an imitation of Elidibus (or regurgitated his soul?) and told the new Elidibus to go check out what the Convocation was up to. The next thing we hear about Zodiark is that Hydaelyn jumped on him. The other part of the story we are missing is what Azem was doing after he resigned. It's unclear whether he declined Venat's offer to summon Hydaelyn, or if he was venturing to the center of the Earth to check out the Sound/Lifestream and was unable to be contacted. It seems that the Sundering went down while Azem was absent.
You can have that opinion, but that subject is somewhat irrelevant at this point. We're dealing with the fallout of that decision. We now have shards, period. Asking if creating the shards was the right decision or not doesn't matter now. The only thing that needs to be considered now is whether sacrificing the billions of lives that exist NOW on each of the shards is the right thing to do?
Man, why is SAM so flashy but so complicated uwu
Edit: Also, fuuuucccckkkk i love all the classes so much !!!! Unless you are a monk, i hate you, not even addons love you
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