Is the Left hurting Freedom of Expression by suppressing Conservative Expression?

[DarkTZeratul]

But instead, it's the crazies who always get the spotlight, drowning out legitimate concerns, and furthering the distrust for the Federal Government for acknowledging the fringe and disregarding the Middle. And yes, this impacts Conservative Expression as you highlight. I can't tell you how many Trump supporters or Conservatives I've had to walk back from the edge of Conspiracy Blackholes and ask them to be more critical of the information they receive.

You are SO CLOSE to getting it. SO CLOSE.

[Endus]

January 6th was certainly a more extreme case of Conservative Expression.

My post was truthful, Conservatives were in January 6th expressing their discontent about the election. And some Conservatives certainly expressed it in an extreme manner by breaking into (or being let into, depending on which video you watch) the Capitol and wandering the halls of our Legislature.

Then you're making the case that "conservative expressions" can be violent, harmful, abusive, seditious, and so forth.

Which provide plenty of completely justifiable reasons those expressions should be acted against. As many of those expressions are literal crimes.

So much for your claim this was just about personal freedoms. You're straight-up defending violent domestic terrorism, here.

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Conservatives were lied to about the election, by opportunists, and even Trump himself. But there were events during the election that raised concern for them outside the scope of Rudy's media circus, Trump's Dominion claims, Lin Wood's fantasies, and QTard fiction, that's why they wanted their state & federal government officials to review the election and ease their concerns. Even if it meant that Biden would still be President.

But instead, it's the crazies who always get the spotlight, drowning out legitimate concerns, and furthering the distrust for the Federal Government for acknowledging the fringe and disregarding the Middle.

If you ever believed the election was possibly fraudulent, that Dominion was somehow corrupted, that there was any level of significant fraud swinging the election for Democrats, any of that stuff, you're one of the "crazies".

There were no "legitimate concerns" about the election.

Blanket distrust for the Federal Government is, itself, a "crazy" point of view.

[Edge-]

Blanket distrust for the Federal Government is, itself, a "crazy" point of view.

I still will never get over Reagan's 9 scariest words in the English language, said by the man currently elected to run the government that we should all fear help from. The amount of doublethink required to grok that is far too much for me.

[PhaelixWW]

Conservatives were lied to about the election, by opportunists, and even Trump himself. But there were events during the election that raised concern for them outside the scope of Rudy's media circus, Trump's Dominion claims, Lin Wood's fantasies, and QTard fiction, that's why they wanted their state & federal government officials to review the election and ease their concerns. Even if it meant that Biden would still be President.

Whatever "concerns" you're referencing magically appeared right when the election conspiracy started. Where were these concerns before? They didn't exist, because nobody was concerned.

And that's because all of your so-called "legitimate" concern is ultimately just sealioning on behalf of the conspiracy theorists.

But let's be hypothetical, here. Let's say, just for a second, that you do, somehow, feel like what you're saying is legitimate. If your concerns are being drowned out by the screams and yells of the vast majority of conspiracy-theory-believing members of conservative America, then your problem is with them, and not with anyone else.

[BronzeCondor]

You are SO CLOSE to getting it. SO CLOSE.

I'm not as drunk on partisan ignorance as you may think. My positions stay fairly the same, it's the political parties who waver back in forth. I was battling Republicans/Conservatives and their ignorance on Muslims, Hindu practioners, Terrorism Fear Porn, Ra-Ra Freedom Fries, opposition to O'Reilly/Limbaugh, and much else more than a decade ago. And I still feel the same way about those very topics today.

[Endus]

I still will never get over Reagan's 9 scariest words in the English language, said by the man currently elected to run the government that we should all fear help from. The amount of doublethink required to grok that is far too much for me.

I mean, it's telling, right?

He expresses it with the intent of demonstrating that the government is malicious, and that any claims they'll "help" are to be feared.

While in charge of said government.

He ripped the face off the inherent and deliberate malice that the Republican Party has represented since at least the Southern Strategy. The problem is we took his accidental honesty as a joke, because nobody could be stupid enough to say the quiet part out loud.

Except he did. Because Reagan was more than a bit of a moron.

[BronzeCondor]

Whatever "concerns" you're referencing magically appeared right when the election conspiracy started. Where were these concerns before? They didn't exist, because nobody was concerned.

And that's because all of your so-called "legitimate" concern is ultimately just sealioning on behalf of the conspiracy theorists.

But let's be hypothetical, here. Let's say, just for a second, that you do, somehow, feel like what you're saying is legitimate. If your concerns are being drowned out by the screams and yells of the vast majority of conspiracy-theory-believing members of conservative America, then your problem is with them, and not with anyone else.

Can you give us some examples of "legitimate concerns" ?

Feel free to link a thread regarding 2020 Election Concerns and I'll provide my thoughts.

[Endus]

I'm not as drunk on partisan ignorance as you may think. My positions stay fairly the same, it's the political parties who waver back in forth. I was battling Republicans/Conservatives and their ignorance on Muslims, Hindu practioners, Terrorism Fear Porn, Ra-Ra Freedom Fries, opposition to O'Reilly/Limbaugh, and much else more than a decade ago. And I still feel the same way about those very topics today.

Why should we believe any of that?

You've lied about nearly everything else. And Democratic positions largely haven't shifted in those 10 years at all, whereas Republicans have been radically swinging ever-rightward for at least the last 25 years or so.

[DarkTZeratul]

I'm not as drunk on partisan ignorance as you may think. My positions stay fairly the same, it's the political parties who waver back in forth. I was battling Republicans/Conservatives and their ignorance on Muslims, Hindu practioners, Terrorism Fear Porn, Ra-Ra Freedom Fries, opposition to O'Reilly/Limbaugh, and much else more than a decade ago. And I still feel the same way about those very topics today.

And yet your constant attempts to reframe the issue as the left hurting the poor old downtrodden Conservatives who only want air their perfectly legitimate grievances suggests you're drunker on partisan ignorance than you think.

[Endus]

Feel free to link a thread regarding 2020 Election Concerns and I'll provide my thoughts.

This is you dodging the question because you know there were no legitimate concerns to be had.

[BronzeCondor]

And yet your constant attempts to reframe the issue as the left hurting the poor old downtrodden Conservatives who only want air their perfectly legitimate grievances suggests you're drunker on partisan ignorance than you think.

It's just an observation and discussion about it. I don't think that's illegal (yet ).

[PhaelixWW]

Feel free to link a thread regarding 2020 Election Concerns and I'll provide my thoughts.

If you can't articulate your thoughts without consulting a crib sheet, then your "concerns" aren't legitimate to begin with.

[Endus]

And yet your constant attempts to reframe the issue as the left hurting the poor old downtrodden Conservatives who only want air their perfectly legitimate grievances suggests you're drunker on partisan ignorance than you think.

Let's put this in context; the title is "is the Left hurting freedom of expression by suppressing Conservative Expression?"

And BronzeCondor has, in the course of this thread, identified "conservative expression" as being;

1> Outright, rank bigotry
2> Violent domestic terrorism
3> Conspiracy theories, and
4> Propaganda meant as disinformation.

Sure, those things are being attacked. And they should be. Because each one is directly harmful. Pretending that opposing these is an attempt to "hurt freedom of expression" falls right into Category #4 there; it's disinformation propaganda. A deliberate, malicious lie.

It's just an observation and discussion about it. I don't think that's illegal (yet ).

Case in point right there.

[Mekh]

I'm glad you acknowledge that I addressed what Conservative Expression represented.

So you are here to discuss Conservative Expression that isn't really suppressed at all? You might want to contact a mod to get the thread title changed.

[DarkTZeratul]

It's just an observation and discussion about it. I don't think that's illegal (yet ).

That you threw that "yet" in there, regardless of how much you actually believe it ever could be, speaks volumes.

[BronzeCondor]

If you can't articulate your thoughts without consulting a crib sheet, then your "concerns" aren't legitimate to begin with.

I'm simply asking for a thread where that is a more appropriate topic of conversation. As you can imagine, the subject matter can get pretty extensive with the amount of misinformation that's out there. I prefer not to clog up this thread with that.

That you threw that "yet" in there, regardless of how much you actually believe it ever could be, speaks volumes.

Don't forget the .

[Endus]

I'm simply asking for a thread where that is a more appropriate topic of conversation. As you can imagine, the subject matter can get pretty extensive with the amount of misinformation that's out there. I prefer not to clog up this thread with that.

You're the one who introduced it, here, in this thread.

Asking someone else to necro an old thread (itself against site rules) is not a reasonable response while avoiding defending a claim you made.

[DarkTZeratul]

Don't forget the .

That makes about as much difference as saying "no offense" when saying something offensive.

[Hollycakes]

Blanket distrust for the Federal Government is, itself, a "crazy" point of view.

Is it though?
In hindsight, with what we now know about past government funded programs?
I'm sure most of us can think of examples like the NSA recordings etc.
And many far worse than that done in secret etc.

There are degrees of distrust surely.
It's not all tin foil hats.

[Stormspellz]

Conservatives were lied to about the election, by opportunists, and even Trump himself. But there were events during the election that raised concern for them outside the scope of Rudy's media circus, Trump's Dominion claims, Lin Wood's fantasies, and QTard fiction, that's why they wanted their state & federal government officials to review the election and ease their concerns. Even if it meant that Biden would still be President.

But instead, it's the crazies who always get the spotlight, drowning out legitimate concerns, and furthering the distrust for the Federal Government for acknowledging the fringe and disregarding the Middle. And yes, this impacts Conservative Expression as you highlight. I can't tell you how many Trump supporters or Conservatives I've had to walk back from the edge of Conspiracy Blackholes and ask them to be more critical of the information they receive. The same advice I give to those who consume media from biased for-profit media entities that cater to a specific base (and yes, that includes partisan Fox News, CNN, NYTimes, WaPo, MSNBC, Brietbart, etc etc).



I'm glad you acknowledge that I addressed what Conservative Expression represented.

60 something court cases that present literally zero viable evidence and you still trying to say "legitimate concerns" is a fucking joke, there was no legitimate concerns in any context

I can't tell you how many Trump supporters or Conservatives I've had to walk back from the edge of Conspiracy Blackholes

the blind "leading" the blind