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[cubby]

If CRT is trying to teach people that reparations are a good idea or required at all... then CRT definitely should not be taught to anyone ever.

Someone like you would of course say that. Not a single person on this forum is surprised by your statement.

Just a heads up - you guessing at what something is and then basing that guess on it's rejection is EXACTLY what makes the GQP the biggest threat to the United States since the Confederacy.

If you want to know about something, look it up and learn - don't guess and make an ass of yourself. Be better.

[szechuan]

Someone like you would of course say that. Not a single person on this forum is surprised by your statement.

Just a heads up - you guessing at what something is and then basing that guess on it's rejection is EXACTLY what makes the GQP the biggest threat to the United States since the Confederacy.

If you want to know about something, look it up and learn - don't guess and make an ass of yourself. Be better.

Republicans are white washing history in Texas.

[Azadina]

Is this a serious consideration now? I'm speechless that this is even being considered as a solution. Reminds me of how WW2 started.

Are you insinuating that descendants of slave owners are fully prepared to go nazi? I mean, probably isn't far from truth in many cases, but surprising you'd self own like that.

[Azadina]

I believe that if you begin waving around the idea of reparations that you'll see a lot of people go further nazi, even perhaps half of the Democratic Party, if not more. At least, I'd hope so, because the notion of reparations isn't only ridiculous, it's also evil at it's very core.

Reparations evil, therefore you'd hope people go nazi as a response. That means you view nazis as equal to good. Glad we cleared things up.

[Shalcker]

Came off that way, also with you obviously being far right.

I'm closer to far left. But I prefer being utilitarian about it - that is, making sure things actually get better and not just done in feels-good way.

Post WW2 they actually greatly helped healing the relationship between germany and the jewish people. You know, they seem to do quite some good if they are used to compensate groups which were historically severely harmed by your nation. And, like seriously. I'm sorry to be the messenger of bad news, but you are not a leftist. Like, you are actually on the right. I'm very sorry.

Typical gatekeeping. You can be for unions, state/worker ownership of enterprises, but the moment you disagree on social issues you're far right.

Have you actually looked at results of those compensations long-term? Any of them? Which example do you think proven to be best and most relevant to reparation for black communities?

What form? Dunno, I'm not a leader of the african american community, but I would guess you use part of a fund you establish for the sake of african-american reparations to compensate individual families whose ancestors where enslaved and spend another part for programs which support african american socio-economic issues. School funding as well as beneficial loans for african american higher education, entrepreneurship and property aquisition. Probably also funding for social services in african american dominated communities.

Except they had all those programs already in various places? For decades? And it doesn't seem to build up generational wealth in a way that lets them catch up in statistics.

It doesn't look like the problem that can be fixed with just more money being poured in.

What would you think of a possibility that even if you'll do all that at highest possible level they will still not catch up?

While other communities without all those preferences still manage to do it.

No leftist would disagree on principle that Scotts and Irish people deserve reparations as much as other victims of english colonialism. Thats your personal right wing fantasy, not reality.

That's the reality for many people who frequent this forum, so it's natural to test it. Good that you're more principled then them, that at least gives some hope.

The difference is the priority of such reparation programs. Ireland and Scottland are economically fairly stable developed nations with governments which allow their people self-determination, Ireland more so than Scottland. African-Americans are a to this day disadvantaged minority in their country which suffer under systemic oppression and state violence.

USA is considered fairly stable too. Ireland still haven't recovered population to pre-famine levels centuries after the fact.

Are you going to provide African-Americans separate state for self-determination so that they can escape this oppression? Reparations aren't going to make it go away - a little money given to each slave descendant aren't going to change general societal attitudes.

Thats actually incorrect. Part of Hitlers rhetoric was invoking revanchist fantasies of the german populace which felt humiliated by the allies after WW1, but the core was actually the Nazi Racial ideology according to which the germans were entitled to the territories of in their eyes lesser races for their own prosperity.

I'm sure you can imagine analogy yourself. There are black supremacists around too, even if they are rare - but then so was Hitler.

[Shadowferal]

If CRT is trying to teach people that reparations are a good idea or required at all... then CRT definitely should not be taught to anyone ever.
Curious to see what your reactions will be when it turns out that you'll have to end up paying for some of it yourself.

We've all been paying for it for decades now.

[jonnysensible]

Hoping people would become Nazis to fight what you perceive as evil. Good to know where you stand on Nazis being good or bad.

the classic

[downnola]

the classic

Dead accurate.

[downnola]

You can be for unions, state/worker ownership of enterprises, but the moment you disagree on social issues you're far right.

Have you actually looked at results of those compensations long-term? Any of them? Which example do you think proven to be best and most relevant to reparation for black communities?

Except they had all those programs already in various places? For decades? And it doesn't seem to build up generational wealth in a way that lets them catch up in statistics.

It doesn't look like the problem that can be fixed with just more money being poured in.

What would you think of a possibility that even if you'll do all that at highest possible level they will still not catch up?

While other communities without all those preferences still manage to do it.

If you're suggesting that the generational wealth of black Americans is where it is because they simply can't do better "despite all of the handouts" then you're a brain dead racist and ignoring the institutional racism that's been rampant in America since the end of the Civil War. What other communities were forced into generational chattel slavery, or relegated to shit jobs and schools via segregation, or redlined into poor neighborhoods and overly policed? They were given "all of those programs already" where exactly? What programs? What handouts? Viewing certain people as inherently inferior is the definition of racism, fella.

I'm sure you can imagine analogy yourself. There are black supremacists around too, even if they are rare - but then so was Hitler.

Next you'll tell me black Africans sold slaves. Hit every moronic, racist trope rung on the way down the ladder why don't you.

[Specialka]

If you're suggesting that the generational wealth of black Americans is where it is because they simply can't do better "despite all of the handouts" then you're a brain dead racist and ignoring the institutional racism that's been rampant in America since the end of the Civil War. What other communities were forced into generational chattel slavery, or relegated to shit jobs and schools via segregation, or redlined into poor neighborhoods and overly policed? They were given "all of those programs already" where exactly? What programs? What handouts? Viewing certain people as inherently inferior is the definition of racism, fella.



Next you'll tell me black Africans sold slaves. Hit every moronic, racist trope rung on the way down the ladder why don't you.

Are you under the impression that the Europeans found all those slaves all by themselves ?

[Muzjhath]

Are you under the impression that the Europeans found all those slaves all by themselves ?

Well, the French demanded that Haiti pa them for lost property after Haiti won independence for itself.
Slaves being the largest portion of property they wanted payments for.

[downnola]

Are you under the impression that the Europeans found all those slaves all by themselves ?

I'm not here to argue about who is or isn't complicit in the Atlantic slave trade, I'm pointing out the mindless low hanging fruit people reach for to weasel their way out of acknowledging the generational disadvantage that was forced on an entire population of Americans.

[Diaphin]

I'm closer to far left. But I prefer being utilitarian about it - that is, making sure things actually get better and not just done in feels-good way.

Typical gatekeeping. You can be for unions, state/worker ownership of enterprises, but the moment you disagree on social issues you're far right.

Have you actually looked at results of those compensations long-term? Any of them? Which example do you think proven to be best and most relevant to reparation for black communities?

Except they had all those programs already in various places? For decades? And it doesn't seem to build up generational wealth in a way that lets them catch up in statistics.

It doesn't look like the problem that can be fixed with just more money being poured in.

What would you think of a possibility that even if you'll do all that at highest possible level they will still not catch up?

While other communities without all those preferences still manage to do it.

That's the reality for many people who frequent this forum, so it's natural to test it. Good that you're more principled then them, that at least gives some hope.

USA is considered fairly stable too. Ireland still haven't recovered population to pre-famine levels centuries after the fact.

Are you going to provide African-Americans separate state for self-determination so that they can escape this oppression? Reparations aren't going to make it go away - a little money given to each slave descendant aren't going to change general societal attitudes.

I'm sure you can imagine analogy yourself. There are black supremacists around too, even if they are rare - but then so was Hitler.

Yeah, no. You are on the right. Totally. Like, your entire rhetoric is rightwing. At best you can call yourself a tankie. But then again, Tankies are usually people on the far right who just prefer the aesthetics of Stalin. Or you are a dengists, with china being on the far right but still prefers the aesthetics of Mao.

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Blame the sins of the great great great grandfather on the great great great grand children. I'm sure that won't radicalize young whites at all to vote down the ballot republican. It's just toxic and racist politics.

Trump already started opportunity zones in poor metro areas such as Compton in LA. There's your "reparations."

I mean, on principle in a society where you can reap the benefits of your ancestors through inheritance, why shouldn't you also inherit their debts? I mean, people who just rationally think about it will notice that this is being snow flake desire to have ones cake and eat it too.

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If CRT is trying to teach people that reparations are a good idea or required at all... then CRT definitely should not be taught to anyone ever.

Curious to see what your reactions will be when it turns out that you'll have to end up paying for some of it yourself.

So this guy is in favor of prohibiting the spread of certain form of speech because they hurt his feelings Peak Rationalism.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Yeah, no. You are on the right. Totally. Like, your entire rhetoric is rightwing. At best you can call yourself a tankie. But then again, Tankies are usually people on the far right who just prefer the aesthetics of Stalin. Or you are a dengists, with china being on the far right but still prefers the aesthetics of Mao.

There's a specific word for people who proclaim themselves economic liberals and social conservatives.

[Diaphin]

There's a specific word for people who proclaim themselves economic liberals and social conservatives.

Poor Bigots?

[Shalcker]

Yeah, no. You are on the right. Totally. Like, your entire rhetoric is rightwing. At best you can call yourself a tankie. But then again, Tankies are usually people on the far right who just prefer the aesthetics of Stalin. Or you are a dengists, with china being on the far right but still prefers the aesthetics of Mao.

You are not addressing any of the points though.

You got not a single counter-argument? That's unexpectedly weak.

Do you think real people are all confined to certain ideology and just identifying it is enough to see entirety of their viewpoint?

It's rather simple. I was born under communist ideology and i found no good reason to throw it away (even with country that used it failing), and enough reasons to keep it.

But i don't have to subscribe to it's every tenet.

[cubby]

the classic

Spot on - perfect summary of the GQP justification for their racist and ignorant behavior.

[Belize]

There's a specific word for people who proclaim themselves economic liberals and social conservatives.

Libertarians!

No, wait, I got it flipped around.

[Diaphin]

You are not addressing any of the points though.

You got not a single counter-argument? That's unexpectedly weak.

Do you think real people are all confined to certain ideology and just identifying it is enough to see entirety of their viewpoint?

It's rather simple. I was born under communist ideology and i found no good reason to throw it away (even with country that used it failing), and enough reasons to keep it.

But i don't have to subscribe to it's every tenet.

You mean these countries which turned into far-right religious extremist shitholes which also happen to be extremely racist? Where even before the collape of socialism, they decried any social progresse that goes beyond women having to work too as western degeneracy? Yeah, those are not leftist.

And so far, you failed to explain what is your principled issue with reparations for a populace which was enslaved for centuries,afterwards subject to legal and socio-economic discrimination and state tolerated lynchings and to this day faces systemic discrimination and state sponsored assassinations by the police force.

And to what tenets do you even ascribe too? Because for me you kind of just sound like a right winger who wants government handouts.

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Libertarians!

No, wait, I got it flipped around.

Its called poor bigots. And you got it wrong to begin with. Outside of a fringe minority, libertarian describes a fascist in the closet.

[cubby]

Republicans are white washing history in Texas.

People joke, but there is a reason 1984 sold out on Amazon the day Trump was elected.

2024 Presidential election outlook has already become frightening. And even if/when Trump is indicted and incarcerated, it may not keep him from running/winning.