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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Endus, stop being a pedantic prick. You do it with alarming regularity and all it does is alienate potential allies in a discussion. There are ways to present salient information without being a jerk about it.
    You pretend I don't know full well who I'm responding to and have no history with that poster. Which would be incorrect.

    You also presume I see things in terms of "sides" and "allies". My fundamental stance is that the facts and reasoning don't change based on preferences, and that I am only interested in people understanding the facts and truth of a given situation, not in currying favor to try and attract "allies" by use of pleasant half-truths and obsequiously servile presentation. If facts and reasoning aren't enough to convince them (or any other particular individual), then that tells me I probably don't want them as an "ally" in the first place.

    I also don't have a hell of a lot of patience for people bullshitting me, and I'll call it right out when I see it. If that makes me a "prick" and a "jerk", so be it. Again, I really couldn't care less what people think of me as a person; the facts and reasoning I present speak for themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Then you've got a high-schooler's grasp of socialist theory.

    Saint-Simon, Fourier, Owen, Blanc, Proudhon, all giants that Marx stood on the shoulders of in developing early socialist theory.

    Marx did not "destroy" any of what these men produced. That's absolute steaming nonsense. Their works formed the basis for Marx' own work and helped inform the way Marx' own approaches developed. Among others.

    Speaking of Cosplay Socialists, if the only name you think matters is "Marx", you fit that bill to a T. Hell, you bought that costume off the rack.
    Indeed quite apart from Marx their was a wide range of socialist thought and literature that isn't taught very much. In fact Marx found himself at odds with many of the other socialist thinkers, Bakunin for example.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Endus is not my ally. Nor will he ever be.
    So you were just... concerned?
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    And again, let’s presume equity in schools is achievable. Then why should a parent read to a child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    It's always the same story. Jealous people want to usurp the person above them and take their decision making power. Even if the envious people haven't done anything to earn it and even if they're not the people who took the risk/time to start the organization in the first place, they still feel entitled.
    We just prefer democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Endus is not my ally. Nor will he ever be.
    I wasn't speaking of Endus...I was speaking off anyone else that reads what you posted. You come out the gates calling him a prick and then lecture him that there a ways of making a point without being a jerk. It reeks of hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    this dudes PARENTS own and pay for the whole thing to even exist, what are you even talking about.
    He lives in a bubble of imagination and his own self-narrative. I'm certain he's baffled that no one sees him in the heroic light he fantasizes himself to be. But we see the "odd old ends stolen out of holy writ." He wants to seem the saint, when he plays the devil to everyone here.

    ...yeah, butchered Shakespeare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    After watching you do the same old song-and-dance for the last decade,
    tragic posting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    That about sums it up.

    I need to pay attention to avatars... both of your names confuse me lol.
    I've had my nickname for ages, took on the Antifa avatar after Milch having misused it for months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Because he only respects callous communication. Jerks solely know how to understand other jerks, so if you want to get through to them a jerk is what you have to be.
    Sure, "It's okay when I do it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    So doubling down on being a pedant then? All right, you do you. For someone who doesn't care about how others perceive them though, you sure do seem to expend an awful lot of time attempting to justify yourself. And as I am certain you are perfectly aware, the civility with which you present facts largely determines whether anyone is inclined to listen to your argument. It does not matter how correct you are if you are being such an impatient asshole that no one would be inclined to listen to you.

    Incidentally, I'm not sure if it's ever occurred to you that it is not your responsibility to disseminate what you perceive as truth or wisdom at every conceivable opportunity, particularly not on a gaming forum of all places. After watching you do the same old song-and-dance for the last decade, it's gotten rather trite. You are this forum's poster guy for the "Well, Actually..." compulsion, and while it may make you feel intellectually superior, it does little to foster constructive forum debate or conversation for anyone but you and your sycophants.

    PS: Yes yes, Marx was not the progenitor of the varying socioeconomic principles that formed the foundation of socialism. Nevertheless, it is absolutely valid to assert that most people would rightly associate Marx with the modern day concept of socialism, as it was his cohesive school of thought that became the dominant voice within the broader socialist movement.
    He pay you rent for the headspace?

    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    So what is a not-cosplay Socialist? David Frum?
    One thing is for sure, it most definitely isn't someone that fires people for trying to unionise or starting a workers co-op.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    It's always the same story. Jealous people want to usurp the person above them and take their decision making power. Even if the envious people haven't done anything to earn it and even if they're not the people who took the risk/time to start the organization in the first place, they still feel entitled.
    Since when is asking your dad for a loan a risk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Nevertheless, it is absolutely valid to assert that most people would rightly associate Marx with the modern day concept of socialism, as it was his cohesive school of thought that became the dominant voice within the broader socialist movement.
    Only if you've been subject to relentless propaganda
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    The main difference is that I pop into a thread once or twice a week if that, whereas you can't throw a dart at one of these threads on any given day without hitting 20 posts from Endus.
    This forum would be unreadable if it weren't for a short list of posters that provide quality commentary and I'd put Endus on that list easily. If it weren't for those posters, this place would be mostly Facebook tier "debate" and the same 3-4 fascist-leaning trolls occasionally shitting up threads until they get a mod-induced vacation. Those sorts of posters aren't interested in being anyone's "ally" regardless of how nicely you interact with them. They're not interested in discussion, they just want to get a rise out of you. This kind of behavior was much worse leading up to the 2016 election and this forum suffered for a couple of years after that, but we finally got some good mods to monitor the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    This kind of behavior was much worse leading up to the 2016 election and suffered for a couple of years after that, but we finally got some good mods to monitor the place.
    Eh I think its closer to the trolls graduated from being annoying assholes to shitheads posting perma-ban worthy comments. Maybe they were always closet racists but they minded their manners until Trump came along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Eh I think its closer to the trolls graduated from being annoying assholes to shitheads posting perma-ban worthy comments. Maybe they were always closet racists but they minded their manners until Trump came along.
    i like the geezer who turned into a full on evangelical preacher, i bet hes doing fine....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Endus, stop being a pedantic prick. You do it with alarming regularity and all it does is alienate potential allies in a discussion. There are ways to present salient information without being a jerk about it.

    Yeah... no... Theo gets what they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    So doubling down on being a pedant then? All right, you do you. For someone who doesn't care about how others perceive them though, you sure do seem to expend an awful lot of time attempting to justify yourself. And as I am certain you are perfectly aware, the civility with which you present facts largely determines whether anyone is inclined to listen to your argument. It does not matter how correct you are if you are being such an impatient asshole that no one would be inclined to listen to you.

    Incidentally, I'm not sure if it's ever occurred to you that it is not your responsibility to disseminate what you perceive as truth or wisdom at every conceivable opportunity, particularly not on a gaming forum of all places. After watching you do the same old song-and-dance for the last decade, it's gotten rather trite. You are this forum's poster guy for the "Well, Actually..." compulsion, and while it may make you feel intellectually superior, it does little to foster constructive forum debate or conversation for anyone but you and your sycophants.

    PS: Yes yes, Marx was not the progenitor of the varying socioeconomic principles that formed the foundation of socialism. Nevertheless, it is absolutely valid to assert that most people would rightly associate Marx with the modern day concept of socialism, as it was his cohesive school of thought that became the dominant voice within the broader socialist movement.
    I see a lot of the pot calling the kettle black in this post......
    MMO-Champ the place where calling out trolls get you into more trouble than trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    You think firing people for organizing a union is in any way aligned with socialism. Seriously?
    Co-ops aren't unions. Co-ops are worker owned businesses. These employees don't own the business, so they aren't entitled to just doing what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Co-ops aren't unions. Co-ops are worker owned businesses. These employees don't own the business, so they aren't entitled to just doing what they want.
    Yes, that's the capitalist response to this kind of thing.

    Which is the hypocrisy given that the owner has played up supposed socialist leanings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Yes, that's the capitalist response to this kind of thing.

    Which is the hypocrisy given that the owner has played up supposed socialist leanings.
    I've learned over the last while that a lot of socialists are complete and utter hypocrites who will grift to profit off the backs of other socialists. Look no further than Hasan Piker, used socialist talking points to grift his way into a 3 million dollar mansion. So much for hating on capitalism, eh? Nathan Robinson is just another example of someone playing pretend as a socialist in order to enrich themselves off the backs of gullible and ignorant socialists on the internet. These guys have played anyone who bought into their grift like Yoyo Ma playing a god damn Stradivarius.

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