Will you upgrade to Windows 11?

[Gaidax]

My body is ready

[Soon-TM]

No way. All my games run smooth as butter on Linux (ty Valve and Lutris btw) and my favourite distro has just pumped out a major release

[Ealyssa]

I still run fine on a 6700K, so no TPM.

Will upgrade with my next build when it's time to do so (and most likely not before end 2022 with the silicon shortage not calming down)

[StillMcfuu]

I'm not opposed to upgrading, but I have to see why I'm upgrading, whats the new hotness in 11. I havent really looked into it and my cursory looks at it (just screen caps) hasn't made me think I need the new shiny.

[Linkedblade]

So you will go with an ARM cpu that barely supports anything? You gonna run into so many problems then. I mean...What games support arm yet (I know Blizzard quickly added it for wow), maybe 2nd gen will help, but nope. I never have any real problems with my PC and its now...gasp 6 years old.

Nah, arm64 has plenty of support, and can emulate 86-84 with little to no penalty. The worse thing about apple silicon is that it's soc. So if any processing component burns out then you have to replace the bga, which will probably mean you need to buy an entire new pc.

The powers that be have pushed back against Intel from doing that exact thing or else that's how pc motherboard/CPUs would be.

[Morgaith]

no as the requirements are crazy and i dont have that hardware security thing installed

this for me as well.

[Kagthul]

You need an option for “I already did”.

‘cause I already did.

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I'm not opposed to upgrading, but I have to see why I'm upgrading, whats the new hotness in 11. I havent really looked into it and my cursory looks at it (just screen caps) hasn't made me think I need the new shiny.

Youre sort of looking at it the wrong way. Its basically just Win 10 Build ABCDEFG, renamed “Windows 11” because marketing. Seriously.

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TPM 2.0 module...So no. My PC is just fine for what I use it for.

Module or built into the motherboard. My ASUS Z390i doesnt have the physical module. Its just an option to enable in the EFI/BIOS... on pretty much any motherboard that fits a supported CPU. Which is actually the reason the supported CPU list seems so small - it has nothing to do with needing the horsepower, and more to do with the fact that motherboards of the supported chipsets have TPM 2.0 by and large.

[Truhan]

I can't since I had the audacity to buy a motherboard and CPU that was made in 2017 when I was building my PC. In 2017.

[Kagthul]

Won't rush to be the first, but I'll upgrade. Already fiddled around with my PC (I build my own) to enable TPM in preparation for it.

I would recommend waiting for a good 6 months for most games to support it. Usually there is something in a version upgrade that causes a number of games to have problems, and the game companies never work ahead of time to support the OS upgrade.

Except that everything already works. Seriously, the beta has been available for a while. There are basically zero serious widespread issues. Largely beacuse the “Windows 11” thing is just marketing. Unlike the jump from XP to Vista/7 (7 was just Vista with cosmetic fixes, all the underlying changes from Vista were kept) and 7 to 10... theres no major underlying changes. Apart from the GUI visual changes, there have been Win 10 “feature updates” that were larger changes than Win 11, under the hood.

“Win 11” is just the next feature update build of Win 10, that they decided to call Windows 11 instead, because they realized (like Apple did with MacOS and finally counting to 11) that it markets better.

Its seriously not that big of a change, apart from the way it looks (which is better, IMO, but everyone’s tastes are different, and, IMO, you should be able to skin any OS, ut thats neither here nor there).

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I can't since I had the audacity to buy a motherboard and CPU that was made in 2017 when I was building my PC. In 2017.

I seriously doubt that, unless you bought a 50$ HX10 motherboard or something.

[Axaron]

Absolutely, it's gorgeous and I'm deeply superficial. I've already tested it and it works fine with every game I play regularly.

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I can't since I had the audacity to buy a motherboard and CPU that was made in 2017 when I was building my PC. In 2017.

You can't turn on TPM or whatever it is in BIOS? I'm almost certain you could update your BIOS and run Windows 11 just fine.

[Truhan]

Absolutely, it's gorgeous and I'm deeply superficial. I've already tested it and it works fine with every game I play regularly.

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You can't turn on TPM or whatever it is in BIOS? I'm almost certain you could update your BIOS and run Windows 11 just fine.

I do have TPM turned on. It doesn't matter, it's looking like they're gonna make it so you just can't install it on a PC with 7th gen intel processors.

I seriously doubt that, unless you bought a 50$ HX10 motherboard or something.

Gigabyte Z270P-D3. Certainly nothing spectacular, but not $50 when I bought it back then.

[Ringthane]

Hard no for me. Show me what Windows 11 has that 10 does not. I'll wait.





... Yup. So why bother?

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Absolutely, it's gorgeous and I'm deeply superficial. I've already tested it and it works fine with every game I play regularly.

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You can't turn on TPM or whatever it is in BIOS? I'm almost certain you could update your BIOS and run Windows 11 just fine.

Not for a lot of people. A lot of motherboards back then (like mine, from 2016) need a little module installed. Which you have to buy. And guess what all the good people did.

Yep, just like with graphics cards, they went and bought them all up, and are now gouging people who want them.

And even if I did buy the thing, my CPU is still too old of a generation for it to run according to Microsoft. And I'm not upgrading a perfectly good CPU and motherboard for a freaking operating system. And I've been in the IT field for almost 30 years, so I've played that game before. I've upgraded to get a Pentium so I could run Quake. I upgraded to get a Voodoo3 3D card so I could run awesome games. I upgraded to get Athlons, and DDR3, and DDR4, and many other things. I am not upgrading so I can run Paint and crap like that the way some company thinks I should.

[hulkgor]

I will, eventually.

I usually wait a couple of years anyway, no rush, and have no interest in the growing pains of a new OS.

[latchee]

Nah I moved to Linux, wine with dxvk is delivering good performance.

[Kagthul]

I do have TPM turned on. It doesn't matter, it's looking like they're gonna make it so you just can't install it on a PC with 7th gen intel processors.

Gigabyte Z270P-D3. Certainly nothing spectacular, but not $50 when I bought it back then.

Umm...7th gen is most definitely on the supported list. If youre using their little utility, it can throw false negatives.

[Inoculate]

Not until they force me.

[Kagthul]

Hard no for me. Show me what Windows 11 has that 10 does not. I'll wait.
... Yup. So why bother?

Because its totally free, and is really just the newest Feature Update for Windows 10 with a new name for marketing. That's why.

Not for a lot of people. A lot of motherboards back then (like mine, from 2016) need a little module installed. Which you have to buy. And guess what all the good people did.

Most motherboards of that era have Firmware TPM, and do not need the module. The only reason it wouldn't is if the manufacturer was being cheap AF.

If your CPU is on the supported list, the motherboard almost assuredly has fTPM. (Thats why the supported CPU list looks like it does).

And even if I did buy the thing, my CPU is still too old of a generation for it to run according to Microsoft. And I'm not upgrading a perfectly good CPU and motherboard for a freaking operating system. And I've been in the IT field for almost 30 years, so I've played that game before. I've upgraded to get a Pentium so I could run Quake. I upgraded to get a Voodoo3 3D card so I could run awesome games. I upgraded to get Athlons, and DDR3, and DDR4, and many other things. I am not upgrading so I can run Paint and crap like that the way some company thinks I should.

No, you'd be upgrading so you can run new games and stuff that require features that are not going to be included in security updates for Win 10.

Weird, i know.

But wait, you're "In IT".

Whatever that means.

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I do have TPM turned on. It doesn't matter, it's looking like they're gonna make it so you just can't install it on a PC with 7th gen intel processors.

Gigabyte Z270P-D3. Certainly nothing spectacular, but not $50 when I bought it back then.

And it supports fTPM (which you said you already turned on).

So.. you're good to go.

Microsoft's little tool throws a lot of false negatives. It told me my board didn't support it even though i had turned TPM on in the EFI, but after upgrading to the Win 11 Beta, it detected it.

Someone wrote a third party tool that is a lot more reliable.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/...p-doesnt-work/

[Axaron]

I do have TPM turned on. It doesn't matter, it's looking like they're gonna make it so you just can't install it on a PC with 7th gen intel processors.



Gigabyte Z270P-D3. Certainly nothing spectacular, but not $50 when I bought it back then.

No, you'd be upgrading so you can run new games and stuff that require features that are not going to be included in security updates for Win 10.

Weird, i know.

But wait, you're "In IT".

Whatever that means.

Kagthul it sucks for him but he's right: 7th gen intel is not currently on the supported processor list for Windows 11, which currently only supports 8th gen Intel processors or later. Unless this changes, he cannot upgrade. His motherboard is using LGA 1151 which doesn't even support above gen 7. There's some speculation about this changing.

Fortunately there is no rush, in fact, for the sake of security the average user should wait a couple years so the biggest security backdoors have been found and bandaged.

For reference it's been over six years since the release of Windows 10, and Windows 10 will be supported until you're old.

The currently supported Intel processors are linked below.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

[tomten]

No, I am planning to buy iMac Pro once it gets released. I tire of Pc's. There is always something that doesn't work as intended.

Its always almost a user issue, regardless of platform.

[Truhan]

Kagthul it sucks for him but he's right: 7th gen intel is not currently on the supported processor list for Windows 11, which currently only supports 8th gen Intel processors or later. Unless this changes, he cannot upgrade. His motherboard is using LGA 1151 which doesn't even support above gen 7. There's some speculation about this changing.

Fortunately there is no rush, in fact, for the sake of security the average user should wait a couple years so the biggest security backdoors have been found and bandaged.

The currently supported Intel processors are linked below.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Yes, if the issue was just TPM 2.0, I think some motherboards starting in 2015 or 16 were built with TPM 2.0 modules in them (but off by default). The issue is the processors themselves aren't being supported.