Society reverting back to puritanical views on sex

[Ladey Gags]

Anyone notice this? Why is this happening? After decades of fighting for sexual freedom suddenly people are becoming prudes, scared of anything that hints at sex, scared of appearing sexual and scared of even taking about sex around anyone. People have stopped looking at porn and masutbrating. People have even quite literally stopped having sex. What’s happening?

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Anyone notice this? Why is this happening? After decades of fighting for sexual freedom suddenly people are becoming prudes, scared of anything that hints at sex, scared of appearing sexual and scared of even taking about sex around anyone. People have stopped looking at porn and masutbrating. People have even quite literally stopped having sex. What’s happening?

People are to easily offended. Anything can be used against anyone to take jobs, futures, and families away. Just takes the wrong person to over hear it or someone that has a thirst for revenge to give a little "take" on what was said.

It filters down too. I know a guy that was charged for asking a lady out at a bar. Now I wasn't there but he doesn't seem like the type to go to far, but I will preference that his is his side of the story. He ended up losing his job over the arrest. Even though 2 weeks later it was dropped for lack of evidence and the female in question dropping the charges. She more or less expressed justice was served by him losing his job..

Truth is people have turned getting offended into an offensive weapon. Until a reasonable defense exists beyond he said/she said at least. All I can say is I am happy I am not young and having to go though it like it is now. Just got to keep the wife happy so she doesn't get half and the kids because vagina and not penis law.

[Machismo]

The OP must travel in different circles. The last time I checked, pirn and masturbation were still a thing.

[Orby]

RE: appearing sexual...

I think its more of how sex is used and defined more than with appearing sexual in general.

Its a wibbily wobbley line that men cannot have a fantasy that is promoting women to look sexual compared to women themselves who make themselves or their work appear sexual. People are very in favour of women looking sexual as long as its done by women themselves.

If a man makes an image of a women looking 'sexy' that appeals to the male fantasy, it can be deemed sexist and exploitive. Meanwhile for a women to show themselves as sexual or revealing its considered brave and empowering. Its a 'stay in your lane' culture where as its a women's body therefore women should only be allowed to control their looks and feels, and a man doing so cannot because its men controlling women (?) I don't know maybe someone can explain this.

Its something thats so very touchy (so much so I expect this thread to get locked because of it). I think there is nothing wrong with male power fantasy. ITs only a problem for those that exploit it or use it in a way that is harmful to women. Even then the power fantasy is not the problem its those who control it and make problems with it. Its like the video games are to blame for school shootings lets ban video games discussion.

I would like to hear comments from some women on this matter on this forum and what they think. I can imagine this whole subject is gonna be men arguing :P

[Gaidax]

Much of it is just people jumping out of their skin to desperately make their e-personality appear holier than thou in their respective mainstream circles.

It's age old PR trick where you try hard to show off how you condemn and fight whatever the current boogeyman is resulting in people ending up looking for that boogeyman to gang up on in just about everything a suspect, even if they have to put it out context.

In the end people will move on, because you can't really fight nature and there is so much bullshit you can pile on before people decide to cut the crap.

[Katie N]

What do you mean reverting back to? xD Was it ever the case society is not puritanical?

[JohnBrown1917]

Its not becoming more common, just trad christian orgs are finding ways to put on more pressure.

What do you mean reverting back to? xD Was it ever the case society is not puritanical?

Europe before the Church became very puritanical, and many other regions in the world.

[Draco-Onis]

Its not becoming more common, just trad christian orgs are finding ways to put on more pressure.

Pretty much this the religious crazies have gotten better at consolidating power and creating problems. They are losing membership and the battle for the hearts and minds of the young so they are getting more extreme and desperate.

[Themius]

What do you mean reverting back to? xD Was it ever the case society is not puritanical?

Well yes... of course. I mean we went from legal whore houses with festivals dedicated to sex to where we are today. Puritanism is a christian thing and as they grew so did their influence. They're the reason men wearing stockings, heels, lipstick, colourful jackets and buttons is now "bad". Due to the rise of the "serious christian" who wore uniforms of simple black and white, for example.

If you go back earlier in regards to sex... well Catholics who travelled to England ages and ages bitched and moaned to the Pope that the savages were incapable of understanding why it was wrong for them to have sex with other men.

[Katie N]

Europe before the Church became very puritanical, and many other regions in the world.

That's centuries before anyone here on the forum was even born. xD

How can you say it's reverting back to something that existed all your life and even before you were born?

[Shadowferal]

Reminded of when women in Egypt were willingly redonning the burqa in the late 90s after a generation of such taking that off, especially in colleges.

[JohnBrown1917]

That's centuries before anyone here on the forum was even born. xD

How can you say it's reverting back to something that existed all your life and even before you were born?

That was not the question is was answering.

[Mihalik]

Europe before the Church became very puritanical, and many other regions in the world.

I suspect you meant that Europe wasn't puritanical before the Church...well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble there.

The whole Romans in orgies shit we seen on HBO these days is not really representative of what pre Christian Europe looked like.

Most average people living across Europe whether inside or outside the Empire lived lives pretty much similar to dark/middle ages Christian Europe.

Rome being a major urban center and a handful of other large cities were a bit of an outlier, but they made up a tiny tiny percentage of the overall population of the continent.

Greeks and areas influenced by the Greeks for example were quite notorious for being very prude. Most Greeks typically treated their women much akin to how they are treated in Saudi Arabia today and only a very few women both in the Greek and Roman worlds enjoyed any personal freedoms and autonomy afforded to them by belonging to the very upper crusts of society.

And while we often imagine Greeks as this super gay orgy culture in reality they mostly practiced pederastry (a custom very similar to what is happening to young boys is Afghanistan) and even then it was something mostly reserved for the upper classes and homosexuality was largely frowned upon by the general society.

The same applied in most ways to the Romans.

So again, this whole sexy Greeks/Romans/Barbarians/Vikings shit is just modern fiction.

From what we understand about gender relations and sexuality in general is that pretty much ever since we transitioned from hunter gatherers to an agricultural society we also became prudes.

In many ways the 20th century and the 21st century thus far have been the most sexually liberated eras in history. At least in recorded history.

[JohnBrown1917]

I suspect you meant that Europe wasn't puritanical before the Church...well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble there.

The whole Romans in orgies shit we seen on HBO these days is not really representative of what pre Christian Europe looked like.

Most average people living across Europe whether inside or outside the Empire lived lives pretty much similar to dark/middle ages Christian Europe.

Rome being a major urban center and a handful of other large cities were a bit of an outlier, but they made up a tiny tiny percentage of the overall population of the continent.

Greeks and areas influenced by the Greeks for example were quite notorious for being very prude. Most Greeks typically treated their women much akin to how they are treated in Saudi Arabia today and only a very few women both in the Greek and Roman worlds enjoyed any personal freedoms and autonomy afforded to them by belonging to the very upper crusts of society.

And while we often imagine Greeks as this super gay orgy culture in reality they mostly practiced pederastry (a custom very similar to what is happening to young boys is Afghanistan) and even then it was something mostly reserved for the upper classes and homosexuality was largely frowned upon by the general society.

The same applied in most ways to the Romans.

So again, this whole sexy Greeks/Romans/Barbarians/Vikings shit is just modern fiction.

When did I ever mention roman or greek orgies? Is anything but not having full-on orgies puritanical now? Because Puritanism has its origins within the christian churches.


Nudity was not viewed the same way 2000 years ago than it was at the height of puritanism.

[Mihalik]

Nudity was not viewed the same way 2000 years ago than it was at the height of puritanism.

In which society and what geographical region? That question goes both ways. Cuz puritanism per say was a largely North-West European thing (mostly English/Dutch/Danish/North German).

Puritanism or Christiany really, also had fuckall to do with social norms in Japan/China/India or the Muslim world, cuz most of these cultures thought Christians were degenerate libertines when they came in contact with them.

[JohnBrown1917]

In which society and what geographical region? That question goes both ways. Cuz puritanism per say was a largely North-West European thing (mostly English/Dutch/Danish/North German).

Puritanism or Christiany really, also had fuckall to do with social norms in Japan/China/India or the Muslim world.

Europe before the Church became very puritanical

[Mihalik]

Europe before the Church became very puritanical

Europe before the Church wasn't particularly less puritanical than after.

I am very critical in general of Christianity or religion in general, but social conservatism and puritanical attitudes weren't a Christian invention. They just adopted pre-existing social norms, as most religions tend to do in the space in which they exist in.

Puritanical social norms are not derived from religion but from economics.

[Hellobolis]

don't think the views on sex itself have changed. there is a bit more "think of the children" going no these days perhaps, but not more that can be explained by the general rise in political correctness. heck with the rise in inclusivity and diversity that's now happening, might even be fair to say people are becoming a lot more open minded about sexuality if not sex itself.

people having less sex is also a myth afaik, more accurate to say people are more hesitant to have kids in a world where you have to spend more time at work and have less time to socialize/find a mate.

[Machismo]

don't think the views on sex itself have changed. there is a bit more "think of the children" going no these days perhaps, but not more that can be explained by the general rise in political correctness. heck with the rise in inclusivity and diversity that's now happening, might even be fair to say people are becoming a lot more open minded about sexuality if not sex itself.

people having less sex is also a myth afaik, more accurate to say people are more hesitant to have kids in a world where you have to spend more time at work and have less time to socialize/find a mate.

I do recall seeing studies that people were having less sex, and it seems to be attributed to the rise in consumption of porn, as well as an increase in strictly-online friendships and relationships. And honestly, that's perfectly fine. The safest sex, is the sex you have with yourself.

I don't see there being any huge growth in "puritan" movements these days. Porn is practically mainstream, and people have no problem admitting to watching it.

[Mihalik]

I do recall seeing studies that people were having less sex, and it seems to be attributed to the rise in consumption of porn, as well as an increase in strictly-online friendships and relationships. And honestly, that's perfectly fine. The safest sex, is the sex you have with yourself.

I don't see there being any huge growth in "puritan" movements these days. Porn is practically mainstream, and people have no problem admitting to watching it.

Social isolation is a real phenomenon and an actual problem. The reasons behind it are complex but are primarily tied to economics, suburbanization and consumer culture.

People statistically go out less, have smaller social circles, fewer friends and as a byproduct of that get laid less.

Having fewer children is tied to just shitty economics.

One of the main reasons why I chose to live in Spain after experiencing life here is the very fact that people are so sociable. Meeting your friends and going out for dinner/drinks/movies/whatever activity 4 to 5 times a week is the norm.

Whenever I'm back in the US the social isolation becomes glaringly obvious.

Still the birthrate in Spain is still abysmally low. Its not because people aren't getting on... It's because the economy is shit and most millenials have 2 masters degrees and still can't get a fucking stable job that would allow them enough financial stability to have some kids.