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    Quote Originally Posted by Frolk View Post
    Ever seen the meme "Break in case of emergency"

    This is 1 of those.
    Pretty much. If it wasn't for the events of the past month or so, Blizz probably would have saved these changes for 9.2, at earliest. While the fact that many issues were fixed at all is something, I'm not exactly going to praise the WoW team for doing stuff that ultimately should have been done months ago. I think the only things that were released when they should have out of this are Legion timewalking and BFA legacy loot, maybe soloable IEs as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    while you have that crystal ball out can you give me lotery numbers?
    Here

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    Feels like this is a set up for 9.2 being the last patch to me more then its them listening to the player base..

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    I'm sure there's naysayers with all this but from a game perspective this is very nice to see. I don't like the idea of thinking I want a Venthyr Warrior for PVP, a Kyrian for M+, a Night Fae for Raids, a Necrolord to experiment in PVP with. Being able to swap Covenant now seems about right, I was more for pulling the ripcord so I think this is a good change, from both a cosmetic and gameplay point of view.

    There's improvements to Alt systems, skipping Campaigns, the Maw Introduction, levelling Torghast and what sounds like a quicker and more interactive levelling system for Shadowlands. It seems to me like this it will be much less punishing to start an Alt and much quicker to get in and play your character than before.

    The Honor Gear changes is also good, PVP gear is so crazy with item level variation and Honor Requirements are definitely annoying, especially upgrading Honor gear that is practically semi worthless with how many levels are needed to upgrade and Renown requirements. Maybe this helps people get into PVP faster.

    As for customisations I'm generally happy, the previews for Lightforged and Nightborne look promising and Void Elves getting hair/ears is nice. I didn't expect them to get red/ginger and expected a light blue/black instead, to keep the colours somewhat cold, although some more hairstyles I'll still want with less tentacles

    I am a little concerned about the M+ Upgrades still not being account wide like Season 1, I don't see why this should continue to be a thing, but that might change come 9.1.5.

    Also this changes nothing in regards to the workings of Blizzard and Activision. The amount of BS going on in Blizzard and the disaster of Activision's statements has been embarrassing and upsetting to see from a company I idolized as a kid. Hopefully justice and fair working comes to Blizzard and there's no more controversy for the Workers to have to deal with.
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    @Lolites LMAO, do you remember what were you arguing in a recently closed thread? Apparently Blizzard themselves admit that the Covenant system is flawed and unpopular as it currently is.

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    Yay, more tattoos that no one can see.

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    Heirlooms....

    This really is basically the " Your top item wishlist" thread from this board.

    The attrition must be Extreme.

  8. #128
    Ah yes, the mid expansion patch that culls the uniqueness out of any decision you made. Good times. It comes bundled with watering down allied race unlocks too. Excellent.

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    Lmao how bad are things when they have to admit failure and listen to the complaints people had since the beta
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    Is this an april fools joke? There is no way this is real

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoy View Post
    Patch 9.1.5 Content Update Preview
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
    With the arrival of the 9.1.5 PTR, we wanted to share more information on the variety of new features and updates arriving with the content update. Not all of these features and updates will be available immediately within the PTR, but we are looking forward to hearing your thoughts and feedback as they do.

    Covenant Updates
    Players who reach max Renown for their Covenant will be able to freely switch among any of the four Covenants without cooldown or restriction. Cosmetic rewards, including pets and mounts, that have been earned from that covenant will thereafter be available regardless of your membership in a different one. Covenant switching and the use of cosmetic rewards will also apply to any alternate characters once the Renown threshold is reached on one character.

    Conduit Energy is being removed and Conduits will be freely swappable without any restrictions.

    Completing a Covenant campaign on one character will allow alternate characters the ability to skip that same Covenant’s campaign, earning the Renown and a third Soulbind unlock immediately without needing to replay the full narrative arc.

    Learn more about the design decisions behind these changes in our Shadowlands Development Update.

    New Character Customizations
    A variety of new character customizations are being introduced for Nightborne and Lightforged Draenei along with additional updates to ear size options for void elves, new travel forms for druids, and new Soulshapes for Night Fae.





    Introducing Legion Timewalking
    Delve back into Legion Dungeons with Legion Timewalking and take on the challenges within, including access to Legion Mythic+ dungeons. This event will run for two weeks the first time it runs within the game and then will resume a regular one-week schedule for subsequent bonus events.

    Maw Introduction Skippable
    Players who have completed the introduction in the Maw on one character will be able to speak to Highlord Darion Mograine in the capital cities to skip it on their alternative characters on their account.

    Island Expeditions - Queue Solo or with a Party
    Players who want to take on Island Expeditions are now able to queue for them solo or with a party to enter Normal, Heroic, or Mythic difficulties. There are a bounty of awards just waiting to be plundered.

    Talent and Ability Improvements
    In 9.1.5 we are working on additional updates to a variety of class talents and class abilities including Conduits, Runecarving, and Covenant class ability tuning.

    Allied Race Unlocks
    Allied races such as the Kul’Tiran humans, Mechagnomes, and Dark Iron Dwarves, which had a dungeon requirement to unlock them, will no longer need to complete the associated quest to gain access to these races. Players will be able to skip it instead.

    Additional Travel Points in the Maw
    Players will be able to take advantage of additional fast travel options from Ve’nari’s Refuge to Perdition Hold and Desmotaeron within the Maw by unlocking access to them.

    Remote Anima Turn Ins
    Completing quests from Archivist Roh-Suir will provide access to an Anima Diverter within Korthia where Anima can be directly deposited.

    Transmogrification Linking
    Show off your complete transmog outfit to chat or online by easily sharing a link to it from the Dressing Room. Players will be able to mouse over these items to see how they can be collected, if they’ve already collected the appearance, or if it’s an appearance that is accessible to the character viewing it.

    Alt Leveling Improvements
    A variety of improvements will be introduced in support of a smoother experience leveling alternate characters through Shadowlands, such as an additional rank of Heirloom upgrades, and improvements to Threads of Fate such as the addition of Torghast as an option and Renown gains for completing bonus objectives.

    PvP Gear Power Adjustments
    Lower item-level PvP gear will now scale to a higher item-level in PvP situations than before. This should reduce the power level gap so that new characters can feel that they're able to compete in Battlegrounds and Arenas more readily. This change will not affect high item-level PvP gear.

    Runecarving Recipes
    Drop rates for Runecarving recipes will be increased to 100% drop rate in any dungeon difficulty.

    Battle for Azeroth Legacy Loot Rules
    Legacy loot rules will be enabled for players at level 60 in all Battle for Azeroth raids and dungeons, causing encounters to drop the number of items as they would randomly drop for a 5-player dungeon party or a 20-player raid.

    Keep an eye on the official World of Warcraft site for the complete 9.1.5 content Update notes and more over the span of development.

    Shadowlands Developer Update
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    In the next few days, we will be updating our Public Test Realm with a first look at Patch 9.1.5. Alongside feature updates like new Timewalking experiences (this time we’re revisiting Legion, with a couple of twists…), these “.5” patches, falling in between full content tiers, present an opportunity to focus on balance and revision of core systems based on feedback and data from the season so far. Patch 9.1.5 will include several significant changes to the Shadowlands Covenant systems in particular:

    • Once you’ve reached a high Renown threshold, you will thereafter be able to freely switch among any of the four Covenants without cooldown or restriction, as well as use cosmetic rewards that you have earned from one covenant even if you are currently a member of a different one. Both the Covenant switching and the use of cosmetic rewards will also apply to alts once the Renown threshold is reached on one character.
    • Conduit Energy is being removed - Conduits will be freely swappable without restriction.
    • When playing alternate characters, if you have already completed a given Covenant’s campaign on a different character, you will be able to immediately earn the Renown and third soulbind unlock without needing to replay the full narrative arc.

    While we hope many players will be pleased at the increased accessibility and freedom for experimentation these changes will permit, we know that you might be wondering why we didn’t make adjustments like these sooner. After all, a large portion of the community has been vocal about wanting to see changes along these lines since mid-2020, when Shadowlands was still in Beta.

    When it comes to the limitations on Covenant-switching, millions of players experienced Shadowlands for the first time through the lens of their Covenant of choice, and that would have not been possible had the choice carried less weight from the outset. Nevertheless, after the conclusion of the Chains of Domination campaign, the Covenants are united against the Jailer, and revisiting player feedback in that context has led us to re-evaluate our approach. In terms of the day-to-day player experience, the advantages of a rigid division between Covenants have diminished since Shadowlands launched, while the downsides (feeling disadvantaged in certain types of content, or having to choose between mechanical advantages and aesthetics) have only grown. That balance of factors no longer justifies the original limitations on Covenant-switching, so in 9.1.5 we’re looking to provide a way to circumvent them.

    Conduit Energy, however, is a different story. The system simply has not played out the way we hoped it would. We should have heeded community feedback and taken a different direction a year ago. A majority of players largely ignore the system and are unaffected by it, while the minority who want to engage in multiple content types competitively feel constrained by it. Overall, that adds up to a negative experience. Conduit Energy isn’t really making the game better in any appreciable way, so we’re removing the system entirely.

    As for the Covenant campaign skip for alts and the ability to freely swap Covenants on alts, that change is one outgrowth of many ongoing discussions within the development team, focused on feedback that at times players feel that the WoW content they most enjoy is locked behind experiences that aren’t nearly as appealing to them. Some of that feedback revolves around different playstyles and content types, but a consistent theme is that experiences that were fun the first time through start to lose their luster on repeat playthroughs on alts, especially when required for power progression. So just as the Threads of Fate system exists to allow players to skip the level-up zone narrative on subsequent playthroughs, we want to give max-level players a similar option to avoid having to replay a Covenant campaign they’ve already done.

    As the 9.1.5 PTR progresses, we hope to roll out several other changes aimed at giving you more flexibility in choosing how you prefer to adventure in Azeroth. We’ll have more details to follow as we finalize our plans. Stay tuned for full PTR notes in the near future, and we look forward to discussion and feedback to guide us in our ongoing improvements to World of Warcraft.

    –The World of Warcraft Team
    Oh look, they finally got over themselves in regards to covenants and alts. And who knows, maybe the changes will be enough so that PvP will be interesting again?

    Now they still need to fix Torghast's lack of rewards and the absurd gold prices of legendaries and we'll be ready for Shadowlands' launch day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Appelgren View Post
    So they finally decided to fix their stuppid covenant switching system.
    Better late than never, I guess... Now make soul ash/cinders obtainable everywhere (dungeon chests, raid bosses, world quests, you name it) and I could consider coming back.
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    Too little too late.

    This should have been done 10 months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnaroo View Post
    Lmao how bad are things when they have to admit failure and listen to the complaints people had since the beta
    well, probably as bad as in legion, since they did pretty much the same in 7.1.5...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    well, probably as bad as in legion, since they did pretty much the same in 7.1.5...
    It's much worse tham 7.1.5 considering almost all these issues were identified by EVERYONE in beta yet they still pushed through. The artifact gearing and such was far less damaging as there were plenty of positives but in sl...well the raids were good.
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    Except it would only be "textbook" confirmation bias if I fully believed that a third spec was actually coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inoculate View Post
    Things must be pretty bad if they are doing all this. Still ain't enough to bring me back but I hope those still playing enjoy the changes.
    Same. I'm not coming back for this, but hopefully people who are playing it will enjoy it more now. These, for the most part, seem pretty good changes. Actually, they're things that should've been in the game from the very start, so I'm not sure if they're "good" so much as "blatantly obvious".

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    As always this shit should have already been released it’s always too little too late I haven’t leveled one alt this expansion lets hope this lawsuit is a kick in the ass in the right direction

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    This is just "the same as it ever was". X.1.5 and they realize no one likes being shoe horned. Its 2021 and players like to enjoy themselves not feel like their game is a second or third job. Nothing will change until, and unfortunately, all the leadership of the game is moved to other games or let go. The paradigm the leadership there operates under is not conducive to a mass gaming market. I'm sure there will be plenty of lifers that will debate otherwise, but the numbers don't lie.

  19. #139
    Ok, I am prepared to think that the next quarterly will indeed show a drop in their business.

    This is awesome, but it screams of throwing everything and the kitchen sink in and hoping it appeals to a big chunk of people.

    Thank GOD for the Maw intro skip...

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    “Here, have everything you said you wanted from the beta for no reason whatsoever”. It’s like Blizzard is Kevin Bacon in Animal House screaming for everyone to remain calm while people surge passed him

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